wind meter

[Reid Simonsen]

My son has a project for his school. He would like to measure the wind with
six motors with difference shapes and sizes propeller. I have an old oopic
A.1.7 and was wondering if we can use it to measure the wind or volts on six
motors and send the data to the computer on RS232 to keep track the data on
the speed and time. I am wondering if we can use Oopic to measure the
wind on six motors at the same time and send the data to the computer or it
is better if we use something else beside the oopic. I am computer
programmer but not good on OOPic. We want to use six small motors that will
fit in plastic Easter egg shell with different shape and size of
propellers. We want to cover the motors from dirty and rain. We will run it
for about three week. We are planning to get cheap motor from All
Electronics http://www.allelectronics.com. But we are not sure what kind of
motor we should get. We were thinking to get 24 VDC motor. CAT# DCM-268 We
will get the propellers from the Hobby store.  Some of propellers will
have two and three arms and difference lenghts. We wants to look at the data
and make graphic chart for each motor and know which propellor is the best
etc. We will use the plastic easter egg shell to cover the motor and mount
into the pvc pipe. All six motors will mount on the pvc pipe and run it at
the same time. See the drawing at the bottom. We will need to use
the stepping motor (X) to move where the wind direction are. We will add the
vane to find the wind direction. Please give us some suggestions.

o__o__o__o__o__o  o=Motor with different shape propeller
            |
            X (stepping motor)
            |
            |


Reid


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[Will Pollock-2]

Are you talking about using the motors as DC generators and measuring the voltage to determine speed.  Seems like you'd need six A2D channels, OOPic 1.7 only has 4, I believe.  Perhaps you use use an i/o line to control a 3PDT relay, and measure three at a time.

Check this link for DC Motor Tachometer basics:
http://team358.org/files/electrical/DC_MotorTachometer.pdf

There is another method that detects the pulse generated when the commutator passes the break between the two permanent magnets, I think it employs a schmidt trigger but I couldn't find any good links.  Perhaps someone else knows where to find it.  With this method you'd have to count pulses from each motor - probably a little more software intensive, not usre how well the A1.7 counts pulses.

Unless you're really set on using a stepper or servo to move the assembly, why not just make a big enough vane to move it directly.

Hope this helps.

-Will

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Reid Simonsen
  To: oopic@...
  Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:59 PM
  Subject: [oopic] wind meter


  My son has a project for his school. He would like to measure the wind with
  six motors with difference shapes and sizes propeller. I have an old oopic
  A.1.7 and was wondering if we can use it to measure the wind or volts on six
  motors and send the data to the computer on RS232 to keep track the data on
  the speed and time. I am wondering if we can use Oopic to measure the
  wind on six motors at the same time and send the data to the computer or it
  is better if we use something else beside the oopic. I am computer
  programmer but not good on OOPic. We want to use six small motors that will
  fit in plastic Easter egg shell with different shape and size of
  propellers. We want to cover the motors from dirty and rain. We will run it
  for about three week. We are planning to get cheap motor from All
  Electronics http://www.allelectronics.com. But we are not sure what kind of
  motor we should get. We were thinking to get 24 VDC motor. CAT# DCM-268 We
  will get the propellers from the Hobby store. Some of propellers will
  have two and three arms and difference lenghts. We wants to look at the data
  and make graphic chart for each motor and know which propellor is the best
  etc. We will use the plastic easter egg shell to cover the motor and mount
  into the pvc pipe. All six motors will mount on the pvc pipe and run it at
  the same time. See the drawing at the bottom. We will need to use
  the stepping motor (X) to move where the wind direction are. We will add the
  vane to find the wind direction. Please give us some suggestions.

  o__o__o__o__o__o o=Motor with different shape propeller
  |
  X (stepping motor)
  |
  |

  Reid

  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



   

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[BIGBUG1]

Reid

You would find a much easier build with more accurate data by simply
mounting props to axles and adding a simple IR encoder circuit. That
would give speed and not have the motor resistance to overcome. Keep in
mind that most small motors, including Johnson type, have friction and
magnetism to overcome and very few give an appreciable voltage reading
at such low rpms your project would produce.

Slot type encoders can be had from Digi-key for less than a buck and you
can make disks out of many things. Your local hobby store will have rod
stock that will fit hobby props and possibly even bearings for it.

When you get you project done, send me some details and pics for our
upcoming robot projects webpage.

Ted
Savage Innovations





--- In oopic@..., "Reid Simonsen" <reidsim@...> wrote:
>
> My son has a project for his school. He would like to measure the wind
with
> six motors with difference shapes and sizes propeller. I have an old
oopic
> A.1.7 and was wondering if we can use it to measure the wind or volts
on six
> motors and send the data to the computer on RS232 to keep track the
data on
> the speed and time. I am wondering if we can use Oopic to measure the
> wind on six motors at the same time and send the data to the computer
or it
> is better if we use something else beside the oopic. I am computer
> programmer but not good on OOPic. We want to use six small motors that
will
> fit in plastic Easter egg shell with different shape and size of
> propellers. We want to cover the motors from dirty and rain. We will
run it
> for about three week. We are planning to get cheap motor from All
> Electronics http://www.allelectronics.com. But we are not sure what
kind of
> motor we should get. We were thinking to get 24 VDC motor. CAT#
DCM-268 We
> will get the propellers from the Hobby store. Some of propellers will
> have two and three arms and difference lenghts. We wants to look at
the data
> and make graphic chart for each motor and know which propellor is the
best
> etc. We will use the plastic easter egg shell to cover the motor and
mount
> into the pvc pipe. All six motors will mount on the pvc pipe and run
it at
> the same time. See the drawing at the bottom. We will need to use
> the stepping motor (X) to move where the wind direction are. We will
add the

> vane to find the wind direction. Please give us some suggestions.
>
> o__o__o__o__o__o o=Motor with different shape propeller
> |
> X (stepping motor)
> |
> |
>
>
> Reid
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Reid Simonsen]

I have thought about that but I was not sure how to use it. I might need
some information on it like schematic and code. What about slotted opto
sensor with round metal with slot or use paper with slot black and white?
Which pins do we use it with sensor?

Can we do six of them at the same time? I was thinking to to use plastic
Easter egg and drill hole for rod to hold the propellor and out senor inside
the egg to count the slots. Please give me link for schematic for sensor to
OOPic and code for it.

Thank you,
Reid

On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:30 PM, theo570 <theo570@...> wrote:

>
> Reid
>
> You would find a much easier build with more accurate data by simply
> mounting props to axles and adding a simple IR encoder circuit. That
> would give speed and not have the motor resistance to overcome. Keep in
> mind that most small motors, including Johnson type, have friction and
> magnetism to overcome and very few give an appreciable voltage reading
> at such low rpms your project would produce.
>
> Slot type encoders can be had from Digi-key for less than a buck and you
> can make disks out of many things. Your local hobby store will have rod
> stock that will fit hobby props and possibly even bearings for it.
>
> When you get you project done, send me some details and pics for our
> upcoming robot projects webpage.
>
> Ted
> Savage Innovations
>
>
> --- In oopic@... <oopic%40yahoogroups.com>, "Reid Simonsen"
> <reidsim@...> wrote:
> >
> > My son has a project for his school. He would like to measure the wind
> with
> > six motors with difference shapes and sizes propeller. I have an old
> oopic
> > A.1.7 and was wondering if we can use it to measure the wind or volts
> on six
> > motors and send the data to the computer on RS232 to keep track the
> data on
> > the speed and time. I am wondering if we can use Oopic to measure the
> > wind on six motors at the same time and send the data to the computer
> or it
> > is better if we use something else beside the oopic. I am computer
> > programmer but not good on OOPic. We want to use six small motors that
> will
> > fit in plastic Easter egg shell with different shape and size of
> > propellers. We want to cover the motors from dirty and rain. We will
> run it
> > for about three week. We are planning to get cheap motor from All
> > Electronics http://www.allelectronics.com. But we are not sure what
> kind of
> > motor we should get. We were thinking to get 24 VDC motor. CAT#
> DCM-268 We
> > will get the propellers from the Hobby store. Some of propellers will
> > have two and three arms and difference lenghts. We wants to look at
> the data
> > and make graphic chart for each motor and know which propellor is the
> best
> > etc. We will use the plastic easter egg shell to cover the motor and
> mount
> > into the pvc pipe. All six motors will mount on the pvc pipe and run
> it at
> > the same time. See the drawing at the bottom. We will need to use
> > the stepping motor (X) to move where the wind direction are. We will
> add the
> > vane to find the wind direction. Please give us some suggestions.
> >
> > o__o__o__o__o__o o=Motor with different shape propeller
> > |
> > X (stepping motor)
> > |
> > |
> >
> >
> > Reid
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>

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[Reid Simonsen]

One more thing, can we use oCounter for slotted opto sensor?

Reid

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Reid Simonsen <reidsim@...> wrote:

>  I have thought about that but I was not sure how to use it. I might need
> some information on it like schematic and code. What about slotted opto
> sensor with round metal with slot or use paper with slot black and white?
> Which pins do we use it with sensor?
>
> Can we do six of them at the same time? I was thinking to to use plastic
> Easter egg and drill hole for rod to hold the propellor and out senor inside
> the egg to count the slots. Please give me link for schematic for sensor to
> OOPic and code for it.
>
> Thank you,
> Reid
>
>   On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:30 PM, theo570 <theo570@...> wrote:
>
>>
>> Reid
>>
>> You would find a much easier build with more accurate data by simply
>> mounting props to axles and adding a simple IR encoder circuit. That
>> would give speed and not have the motor resistance to overcome. Keep in
>> mind that most small motors, including Johnson type, have friction and
>> magnetism to overcome and very few give an appreciable voltage reading
>> at such low rpms your project would produce.
>>
>> Slot type encoders can be had from Digi-key for less than a buck and you
>> can make disks out of many things. Your local hobby store will have rod
>> stock that will fit hobby props and possibly even bearings for it.
>>
>> When you get you project done, send me some details and pics for our
>> upcoming robot projects webpage.
>>
>> Ted
>> Savage Innovations
>>
>>
>> --- In oopic@... <oopic%40yahoogroups.com>, "Reid Simonsen"
>> <reidsim@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > My son has a project for his school. He would like to measure the wind
>> with
>> > six motors with difference shapes and sizes propeller. I have an old
>> oopic
>> > A.1.7 and was wondering if we can use it to measure the wind or volts
>> on six
>> > motors and send the data to the computer on RS232 to keep track the
>> data on
>> > the speed and time. I am wondering if we can use Oopic to measure the
>> > wind on six motors at the same time and send the data to the computer
>> or it
>> > is better if we use something else beside the oopic. I am computer
>> > programmer but not good on OOPic. We want to use six small motors that
>> will
>> > fit in plastic Easter egg shell with different shape and size of
>> > propellers. We want to cover the motors from dirty and rain. We will
>> run it
>> > for about three week. We are planning to get cheap motor from All
>> > Electronics http://www.allelectronics.com. But we are not sure what
>> kind of
>> > motor we should get. We were thinking to get 24 VDC motor. CAT#
>> DCM-268 We
>> > will get the propellers from the Hobby store. Some of propellers will
>> > have two and three arms and difference lenghts. We wants to look at
>> the data
>> > and make graphic chart for each motor and know which propellor is the
>> best
>> > etc. We will use the plastic easter egg shell to cover the motor and
>> mount
>> > into the pvc pipe. All six motors will mount on the pvc pipe and run
>> it at
>> > the same time. See the drawing at the bottom. We will need to use
>> > the stepping motor (X) to move where the wind direction are. We will
>> add the
>> > vane to find the wind direction. Please give us some suggestions.
>> >
>> > o__o__o__o__o__o o=Motor with different shape propeller
>> > |
>> > X (stepping motor)
>> > |
>> > |
>> >
>> >
>> > Reid
>> >
>> >
>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>> >
>>
>>  
>>
>
>

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[Reid Simonsen]

Never mind my OOPic A1.7 do not have oCounter.  Can someone give me a
suggest how can we count the turning the spin? If there is no way then I
guess I will need to get upgrade version for OOPic. I have eprom burner.
Where can I download new version?

Reid

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Reid Simonsen <reidsim@...> wrote:

>  One more thing, can we use oCounter for slotted opto sensor?
>
> Reid
>
>   On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Reid Simonsen <reidsim@...>wrote:
>
>>  I have thought about that but I was not sure how to use it. I might need
>> some information on it like schematic and code. What about slotted opto
>> sensor with round metal with slot or use paper with slot black and white?
>> Which pins do we use it with sensor?
>>
>> Can we do six of them at the same time? I was thinking to to use plastic
>> Easter egg and drill hole for rod to hold the propellor and out senor inside
>> the egg to count the slots. Please give me link for schematic for sensor to
>> OOPic and code for it.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Reid
>>
>>   On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:30 PM, theo570 <theo570@...> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Reid
>>>
>>> You would find a much easier build with more accurate data by simply
>>> mounting props to axles and adding a simple IR encoder circuit. That
>>> would give speed and not have the motor resistance to overcome. Keep in
>>> mind that most small motors, including Johnson type, have friction and
>>> magnetism to overcome and very few give an appreciable voltage reading
>>> at such low rpms your project would produce.
>>>
>>> Slot type encoders can be had from Digi-key for less than a buck and you
>>> can make disks out of many things. Your local hobby store will have rod
>>> stock that will fit hobby props and possibly even bearings for it.
>>>
>>> When you get you project done, send me some details and pics for our
>>> upcoming robot projects webpage.
>>>
>>> Ted
>>> Savage Innovations
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In oopic@... <oopic%40yahoogroups.com>, "Reid Simonsen"
>>> <reidsim@...> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > My son has a project for his school. He would like to measure the wind
>>> with
>>> > six motors with difference shapes and sizes propeller. I have an old
>>> oopic
>>> > A.1.7 and was wondering if we can use it to measure the wind or volts
>>> on six
>>> > motors and send the data to the computer on RS232 to keep track the
>>> data on
>>> > the speed and time. I am wondering if we can use Oopic to measure the
>>> > wind on six motors at the same time and send the data to the computer
>>> or it
>>> > is better if we use something else beside the oopic. I am computer
>>> > programmer but not good on OOPic. We want to use six small motors that
>>> will
>>> > fit in plastic Easter egg shell with different shape and size of
>>> > propellers. We want to cover the motors from dirty and rain. We will
>>> run it
>>> > for about three week. We are planning to get cheap motor from All
>>> > Electronics http://www.allelectronics.com. But we are not sure what
>>> kind of
>>> > motor we should get. We were thinking to get 24 VDC motor. CAT#
>>> DCM-268 We
>>> > will get the propellers from the Hobby store. Some of propellers will
>>> > have two and three arms and difference lenghts. We wants to look at
>>> the data
>>> > and make graphic chart for each motor and know which propellor is the
>>> best
>>> > etc. We will use the plastic easter egg shell to cover the motor and
>>> mount
>>> > into the pvc pipe. All six motors will mount on the pvc pipe and run
>>> it at
>>> > the same time. See the drawing at the bottom. We will need to use
>>> > the stepping motor (X) to move where the wind direction are. We will
>>> add the
>>> > vane to find the wind direction. Please give us some suggestions.
>>> >
>>> > o__o__o__o__o__o o=Motor with different shape propeller
>>> > |
>>> > X (stepping motor)
>>> > |
>>> > |
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Reid
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>> >
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>
>>
>

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[stantibbs1]

here is something I did a long time ago.
program uses 1 A2D channel, not very fast or efficient
can be adapted to multiple A2D channels

'File Name: A2D_OUT_SERIAL_PORT_NO_CONTROL.osc
'This program reads an I/OLine 1 oA2D10 Object and sends the value to
a PC
'connected via a serial port.
'This program will send oA2D10 Data samples to Hyperterm 200 readings
in 23 sec.
'115 mSec.
'Note if the Case statements are remarked out & line 54 rem is
removed there will
'be 200 readings in 7 sec. 35 mSec.
'Note: No flow control is used.

Dim Serial As New oSerial
Dim A2D1 As New oA2D
'Dim A2D1 As New oA2D10
Dim FileName as New oEEProm
Dim Header as new oByte
Dim Z as new oByte
Dim Reading_Cntr as new oByte

Sub Main()
  oopic.node = 1
        FileName.Data ("A2D_OUT_SERIAL_PORT_NO_CONTROL.osc") 'Save
the FileName to EEProm

                Serial.Baud = cv9600
                Reading_Cntr = 0
                Serial.Operate = cvTrue
                A2D1 .Operate = cvTrue

                Call Make_Header

Do
                Reading_Cntr.inc
                Select Case Reading_Cntr.Value
                        Case 1 : Serial.String = "0  "
                        Case 11 : Serial.String = "1  "
                        Case 21 : Serial.String = "2  "
                        Case 31 : Serial.String = "3  "
                        Case 41 : Serial.String = "4  "
                        Case 51 : Serial.String = "5  "
                        Case 61 : Serial.String = "6  "
                        Case 71 : Serial.String = "7  "
                        Case 81 : Serial.String = "8  "
                        Case 91 : Serial.String = "9  "
                        Case 101 : Serial.String = "10 "
                        Case 111 : Serial.String = "11 "
                        Case 121 : Serial.String = "12 "
                        Case 131 : Serial.String = "13 "
                        Case 141 : Serial.String = "14 "
                        Case 151 : Serial.String = "15 "
                        Case 161 : Serial.String = "16 "
                        Case 171 : Serial.String = "17 "
                        Case 181 : Serial.String = "18 "
                        Case 191 : Serial.String = "19 "
                        Case Else : Serial.String = "   "
                End Select
' Serial.String = "   "
                Serial.String = Str$(A2D1) 'Send value
of AtoD to port
                If Reading_Cntr = 200 then Call readingcounter
Loop
 
End Sub

Sub readingcounter()
                Serial.String = "    ''200 Readings taken, Press the
rest button to get 200 more Readings''"
                Serial.Value = 10 'LF "Line Feed, New Line"
                Serial.Value = 13 'CR "Carriage Return"
                Serial.String = "             ''Or wait for 10 sec. &
the reading will continue.''"
                OOPic.delay = 1000
                Serial.VALUE=12 'FF "Form Feed, New page"
                If Reading_Cntr = 200 then Reading_Cntr = 0
                If Reading_Cntr = 0 then Call Make_Header
End Sub

sub Make_Header()
                Serial.VALUE=12 'FF "Form
Feed, New page"
                Serial.STRING = "READINGS TAKEN, Press
Reset at any time to re-initiate"
                Serial.Value = 13
        'CR "Carriage Return"
                Serial.Value = 10
        'LF "Line Feed, New Line"
                Serial.STRING = "  "
                Serial.STRING = "   1     2     3     4     5
             6     7     8     9     0"
                Serial.Value = 10
        'LF "Line Feed, New Line"
                Serial.Value = 13
        'CR "Carriage Return"
End Sub



--- In oopic@..., "@@" <will.lynelle@...> wrote:
>
> Are you talking about using the motors as DC generators and
measuring the voltage to determine speed.  Seems like you'd need six
A2D channels, OOPic 1.7 only has 4, I believe.  Perhaps you use use
an i/o line to control a 3PDT relay, and measure three at a time.
>
> Check this link for DC Motor Tachometer basics:
> http://team358.org/files/electrical/DC_MotorTachometer.pdf
>
> There is another method that detects the pulse generated when the
commutator passes the break between the two permanent magnets, I
think it employs a schmidt trigger but I couldn't find any good
links.  Perhaps someone else knows where to find it.  With this
method you'd have to count pulses from each motor - probably a little
more software intensive, not usre how well the A1.7 counts pulses.
>
> Unless you're really set on using a stepper or servo to move the
assembly, why not just make a big enough vane to move it directly.

>
> Hope this helps.
>
> -Will
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Reid Simonsen
>   To: oopic@...
>   Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:59 PM
>   Subject: [oopic] wind meter
>
>
>   My son has a project for his school. He would like to measure the

wind with
>   six motors with difference shapes and sizes propeller. I have an
old oopic
>   A.1.7 and was wondering if we can use it to measure the wind or
volts on six
>   motors and send the data to the computer on RS232 to keep track
the data on
>   the speed and time. I am wondering if we can use Oopic to measure
the
>   wind on six motors at the same time and send the data to the
computer or it
>   is better if we use something else beside the oopic. I am computer
>   programmer but not good on OOPic. We want to use six small motors
that will
>   fit in plastic Easter egg shell with different shape and size of
>   propellers. We want to cover the motors from dirty and rain. We
will run it
>   for about three week. We are planning to get cheap motor from All
>   Electronics http://www.allelectronics.com. But we are not sure
what kind of
>   motor we should get. We were thinking to get 24 VDC motor. CAT#
DCM-268 We
>   will get the propellers from the Hobby store. Some of propellers
will
>   have two and three arms and difference lenghts. We wants to look
at the data
>   and make graphic chart for each motor and know which propellor is
the best
>   etc. We will use the plastic easter egg shell to cover the motor
and mount
>   into the pvc pipe. All six motors will mount on the pvc pipe and
run it at
>   the same time. See the drawing at the bottom. We will need to use
>   the stepping motor (X) to move where the wind direction are. We
will add the

>   vane to find the wind direction. Please give us some suggestions.
>
>   o__o__o__o__o__o o=Motor with different shape propeller
>   |
>   X (stepping motor)
>   |
>   |
>
>   Reid
>
>   [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>    
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[BIGBUG1]

We do not have the firmware available for download but you can send
your ooPic in and have it upgraded.

Ted
Savage Innovations


--- In oopic@..., "Reid Simonsen" <reidsim@...> wrote:
>
> Never mind my OOPic A1.7 do not have oCounter.  Can someone give me
a
> suggest how can we count the turning the spin? If there is no way
then I
> guess I will need to get upgrade version for OOPic. I have eprom
burner.

> Where can I download new version?
>
> Reid
>
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Reid Simonsen <reidsim@...> wrote:
>
> >  One more thing, can we use oCounter for slotted opto sensor?
> >
> > Reid
> >
> >   On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Reid Simonsen

<reidsim@...>wrote:
> >
> >>  I have thought about that but I was not sure how to use it. I
might need
> >> some information on it like schematic and code. What about
slotted opto
> >> sensor with round metal with slot or use paper with slot black
and white?
> >> Which pins do we use it with sensor?
> >>
> >> Can we do six of them at the same time? I was thinking to to use
plastic
> >> Easter egg and drill hole for rod to hold the propellor and out
senor inside
> >> the egg to count the slots. Please give me link for schematic
for sensor to

> >> OOPic and code for it.
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >> Reid
> >>
> >>   On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:30 PM, theo570 <theo570@...> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Reid
> >>>
> >>> You would find a much easier build with more accurate data by

simply
> >>> mounting props to axles and adding a simple IR encoder circuit.
That
> >>> would give speed and not have the motor resistance to overcome.
Keep in
> >>> mind that most small motors, including Johnson type, have
friction and
> >>> magnetism to overcome and very few give an appreciable voltage
reading
> >>> at such low rpms your project would produce.
> >>>
> >>> Slot type encoders can be had from Digi-key for less than a
buck and you
> >>> can make disks out of many things. Your local hobby store will
have rod
> >>> stock that will fit hobby props and possibly even bearings for
it.
> >>>
> >>> When you get you project done, send me some details and pics
for our
> >>> upcoming robot projects webpage.
> >>>
> >>> Ted
> >>> Savage Innovations
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- In oopic@... <oopic%40yahoogroups.com>, "Reid
Simonsen"
> >>> <reidsim@> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> > My son has a project for his school. He would like to measure
the wind
> >>> with
> >>> > six motors with difference shapes and sizes propeller. I have
an old
> >>> oopic
> >>> > A.1.7 and was wondering if we can use it to measure the wind
or volts
> >>> on six
> >>> > motors and send the data to the computer on RS232 to keep
track the
> >>> data on
> >>> > the speed and time. I am wondering if we can use Oopic to
measure the
> >>> > wind on six motors at the same time and send the data to the
computer
> >>> or it
> >>> > is better if we use something else beside the oopic. I am
computer
> >>> > programmer but not good on OOPic. We want to use six small
motors that
> >>> will
> >>> > fit in plastic Easter egg shell with different shape and size
of
> >>> > propellers. We want to cover the motors from dirty and rain.
We will
> >>> run it
> >>> > for about three week. We are planning to get cheap motor from
All
> >>> > Electronics http://www.allelectronics.com. But we are not
sure what
> >>> kind of
> >>> > motor we should get. We were thinking to get 24 VDC motor.
CAT#
> >>> DCM-268 We
> >>> > will get the propellers from the Hobby store. Some of
propellers will
> >>> > have two and three arms and difference lenghts. We wants to
look at
> >>> the data
> >>> > and make graphic chart for each motor and know which
propellor is the
> >>> best
> >>> > etc. We will use the plastic easter egg shell to cover the
motor and
> >>> mount
> >>> > into the pvc pipe. All six motors will mount on the pvc pipe
and run
> >>> it at
> >>> > the same time. See the drawing at the bottom. We will need to
use
> >>> > the stepping motor (X) to move where the wind direction are.
We will
> >>> add the
> >>> > vane to find the wind direction. Please give us some
suggestions.

> >>> >
> >>> > o__o__o__o__o__o o=Motor with different shape propeller
> >>> > |
> >>> > X (stepping motor)
> >>> > |
> >>> > |
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Reid
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >>> >
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Reid Simonsen]

How much for upgrade?

Reid

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:29 AM, theo570 <theo570@...> wrote:

>   We do not have the firmware available for download but you can send
> your ooPic in and have it upgraded.
>
> Ted
> Savage Innovations
>
> --- In oopic@... <oopic%40yahoogroups.com>, "Reid Simonsen"
> <reidsim@...> wrote:
> >
> > Never mind my OOPic A1.7 do not have oCounter. Can someone give me
> a
> > suggest how can we count the turning the spin? If there is no way
> then I
> > guess I will need to get upgrade version for OOPic. I have eprom
> burner.
> > Where can I download new version?
> >
> > Reid
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Reid Simonsen <reidsim@...> wrote:
> >
> > > One more thing, can we use oCounter for slotted opto sensor?
> > >
> > > Reid
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Reid Simonsen
> <reidsim@...>wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have thought about that but I was not sure how to use it. I
> might need
> > >> some information on it like schematic and code. What about
> slotted opto
> > >> sensor with round metal with slot or use paper with slot black
> and white?
> > >> Which pins do we use it with sensor?
> > >>
> > >> Can we do six of them at the same time? I was thinking to to use
> plastic
> > >> Easter egg and drill hole for rod to hold the propellor and out
> senor inside
> > >> the egg to count the slots. Please give me link for schematic
> for sensor to
> > >> OOPic and code for it.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you,
> > >> Reid
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:30 PM, theo570 <theo570@...> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Reid
> > >>>
> > >>> You would find a much easier build with more accurate data by
> simply
> > >>> mounting props to axles and adding a simple IR encoder circuit.
> That
> > >>> would give speed and not have the motor resistance to overcome.
> Keep in
> > >>> mind that most small motors, including Johnson type, have
> friction and
> > >>> magnetism to overcome and very few give an appreciable voltage
> reading
> > >>> at such low rpms your project would produce.
> > >>>
> > >>> Slot type encoders can be had from Digi-key for less than a
> buck and you
> > >>> can make disks out of many things. Your local hobby store will
> have rod
> > >>> stock that will fit hobby props and possibly even bearings for
> it.
> > >>>
> > >>> When you get you project done, send me some details and pics
> for our
> > >>> upcoming robot projects webpage.
> > >>>
> > >>> Ted
> > >>> Savage Innovations
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --- In oopic@... <oopic%40yahoogroups.com> <oopic%
> 40yahoogroups.com>, "Reid
>  Simonsen"
> > >>> <reidsim@> wrote:
> > >>> >
> > >>> > My son has a project for his school. He would like to measure
> the wind
> > >>> with
> > >>> > six motors with difference shapes and sizes propeller. I have
> an old
> > >>> oopic
> > >>> > A.1.7 and was wondering if we can use it to measure the wind
> or volts
> > >>> on six
> > >>> > motors and send the data to the computer on RS232 to keep
> track the
> > >>> data on
> > >>> > the speed and time. I am wondering if we can use Oopic to
> measure the
> > >>> > wind on six motors at the same time and send the data to the
> computer
> > >>> or it
> > >>> > is better if we use something else beside the oopic. I am
> computer
> > >>> > programmer but not good on OOPic. We want to use six small
> motors that
> > >>> will
> > >>> > fit in plastic Easter egg shell with different shape and size
> of
> > >>> > propellers. We want to cover the motors from dirty and rain.
> We will
> > >>> run it
> > >>> > for about three week. We are planning to get cheap motor from
> All
> > >>> > Electronics http://www.allelectronics.com. But we are not
> sure what
> > >>> kind of
> > >>> > motor we should get. We were thinking to get 24 VDC motor.
> CAT#
> > >>> DCM-268 We
> > >>> > will get the propellers from the Hobby store. Some of
> propellers will
> > >>> > have two and three arms and difference lenghts. We wants to
> look at
> > >>> the data
> > >>> > and make graphic chart for each motor and know which
> propellor is the
> > >>> best
> > >>> > etc. We will use the plastic easter egg shell to cover the
> motor and
> > >>> mount
> > >>> > into the pvc pipe. All six motors will mount on the pvc pipe
> and run
> > >>> it at
> > >>> > the same time. See the drawing at the bottom. We will need to
> use
> > >>> > the stepping motor (X) to move where the wind direction are.
> We will
> > >>> add the
> > >>> > vane to find the wind direction. Please give us some
> suggestions.
> > >>> >
> > >>> > o__o__o__o__o__o o=Motor with different shape propeller
> > >>> > |
> > >>> > X (stepping motor)
> > >>> > |
> > >>> > |
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > Reid
> > >>> >
> > >>> >
> > >>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >>> >
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[BIGBUG1]

Reid,

Sorry, my bad. That version is not upgradable. I missed the version
number in my initial read.

We do sell a replacement PIC chip for your board for approx $29.99
USD+ s/h. You can find it here: 40 Pin Dip III Firmware
<http://www.savageinnovations.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&fl\
ypage=flypage_images.tpl&product_id=25&category_id=1&option=com_virtuema\
rt&Itemid=1>

For everyone else, upgrade firmware flash is $10.00 + s/h.

Ted
Savage Innovations








--- In oopic@..., "Reid Simonsen" <reidsim@...> wrote:

>
> How much for upgrade?
>
> Reid
>
> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:29 AM, theo570 theo570@... wrote:
>
> > We do not have the firmware available for download but you can send
> > your ooPic in and have it upgraded.
> >
> > Ted
> > Savage Innovations
> >
> > --- In oopic@... <oopic%40yahoogroups.com>, "Reid

Simonsen"

> > reidsim@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Never mind my OOPic A1.7 do not have oCounter. Can someone give me
> > a
> > > suggest how can we count the turning the spin? If there is no way
> > then I
> > > guess I will need to get upgrade version for OOPic. I have eprom
> > burner.
> > > Where can I download new version?
> > >
> > > Reid
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Reid Simonsen reidsim@ wrote:
> > >
> > > > One more thing, can we use oCounter for slotted opto sensor?
> > > >
> > > > Reid
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Reid Simonsen
> > reidsim@wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I have thought about that but I was not sure how to use it. I
> > might need
> > > >> some information on it like schematic and code. What about
> > slotted opto
> > > >> sensor with round metal with slot or use paper with slot black
> > and white?
> > > >> Which pins do we use it with sensor?
> > > >>
> > > >> Can we do six of them at the same time? I was thinking to to

use

> > plastic
> > > >> Easter egg and drill hole for rod to hold the propellor and out
> > senor inside
> > > >> the egg to count the slots. Please give me link for schematic
> > for sensor to
> > > >> OOPic and code for it.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thank you,
> > > >> Reid
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:30 PM, theo570 theo570@ wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Reid
> > > >>>
> > > >>> You would find a much easier build with more accurate data by
> > simply
> > > >>> mounting props to axles and adding a simple IR encoder

circuit.
> > That
> > > >>> would give speed and not have the motor resistance to
overcome.

> > Keep in
> > > >>> mind that most small motors, including Johnson type, have
> > friction and
> > > >>> magnetism to overcome and very few give an appreciable voltage
> > reading
> > > >>> at such low rpms your project would produce.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Slot type encoders can be had from Digi-key for less than a
> > buck and you
> > > >>> can make disks out of many things. Your local hobby store will
> > have rod
> > > >>> stock that will fit hobby props and possibly even bearings for
> > it.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> When you get you project done, send me some details and pics
> > for our
> > > >>> upcoming robot projects webpage.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Ted
> > > >>> Savage Innovations
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --- In oopic@... <oopic%40yahoogroups.com> <oopic%
> > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Reid
> > Simonsen"
> > > >>> <reidsim@> wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > My son has a project for his school. He would like to

measure
> > the wind
> > > >>> with
> > > >>> > six motors with difference shapes and sizes propeller. I
have

> > an old
> > > >>> oopic
> > > >>> > A.1.7 and was wondering if we can use it to measure the wind
> > or volts
> > > >>> on six
> > > >>> > motors and send the data to the computer on RS232 to keep
> > track the
> > > >>> data on
> > > >>> > the speed and time. I am wondering if we can use Oopic to
> > measure the
> > > >>> > wind on six motors at the same time and send the data to the
> > computer
> > > >>> or it
> > > >>> > is better if we use something else beside the oopic. I am
> > computer
> > > >>> > programmer but not good on OOPic. We want to use six small
> > motors that
> > > >>> will
> > > >>> > fit in plastic Easter egg shell with different shape and

size
> > of
> > > >>> > propellers. We want to cover the motors from dirty and rain.
> > We will
> > > >>> run it
> > > >>> > for about three week. We are planning to get cheap motor
from

> > All
> > > >>> > Electronics http://www.allelectronics.com. But we are not
> > sure what
> > > >>> kind of
> > > >>> > motor we should get. We were thinking to get 24 VDC motor.
> > CAT#
> > > >>> DCM-268 We
> > > >>> > will get the propellers from the Hobby store. Some of
> > propellers will
> > > >>> > have two and three arms and difference lenghts. We wants to
> > look at
> > > >>> the data
> > > >>> > and make graphic chart for each motor and know which
> > propellor is the
> > > >>> best
> > > >>> > etc. We will use the plastic easter egg shell to cover the
> > motor and
> > > >>> mount
> > > >>> > into the pvc pipe. All six motors will mount on the pvc pipe
> > and run
> > > >>> it at
> > > >>> > the same time. See the drawing at the bottom. We will need

to

> > use
> > > >>> > the stepping motor (X) to move where the wind direction are.
> > We will
> > > >>> add the
> > > >>> > vane to find the wind direction. Please give us some
> > suggestions.
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > o__o__o__o__o__o o=Motor with different shape propeller
> > > >>> > |
> > > >>> > X (stepping motor)
> > > >>> > |
> > > >>> > |
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > Reid
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >>> >
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Reid Simonsen]

Stan,

Can you give me more information how do we connect between PC and OOPic and
let PC get the value from OOPic? What kind of program do I need to run on PC
to communication with OOPic to get the value. I was planning to use U shaped
opto switch from old floppy drive. I am not sure how to connect it into
OOPic.

Reid

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:47 AM, stantibbs1 <stantibbs1@...> wrote:

>   here is something I did a long time ago.
> program uses 1 A2D channel, not very fast or efficient
> can be adapted to multiple A2D channels
>
> 'File Name: A2D_OUT_SERIAL_PORT_NO_CONTROL.osc
> 'This program reads an I/OLine 1 oA2D10 Object and sends the value to
> a PC
> 'connected via a serial port.
> 'This program will send oA2D10 Data samples to Hyperterm 200 readings
> in 23 sec.
> '115 mSec.
> 'Note if the Case statements are remarked out & line 54 rem is
> removed there will
> 'be 200 readings in 7 sec. 35 mSec.
> 'Note: No flow control is used.
>
> Dim Serial As New oSerial
> Dim A2D1 As New oA2D
> 'Dim A2D1 As New oA2D10
> Dim FileName as New oEEProm
> Dim Header as new oByte
> Dim Z as new oByte
> Dim Reading_Cntr as new oByte
>
> Sub Main()
> oopic.node = 1
> FileName.Data ("A2D_OUT_SERIAL_PORT_NO_CONTROL.osc") 'Save
> the FileName to EEProm
>
> Serial.Baud = cv9600
> Reading_Cntr = 0
> Serial.Operate = cvTrue
> A2D1 .Operate = cvTrue
>
> Call Make_Header
>
> Do
> Reading_Cntr.inc
> Select Case Reading_Cntr.Value
> Case 1 : Serial.String = "0 "
> Case 11 : Serial.String = "1 "
> Case 21 : Serial.String = "2 "
> Case 31 : Serial.String = "3 "
> Case 41 : Serial.String = "4 "
> Case 51 : Serial.String = "5 "
> Case 61 : Serial.String = "6 "
> Case 71 : Serial.String = "7 "
> Case 81 : Serial.String = "8 "
> Case 91 : Serial.String = "9 "
> Case 101 : Serial.String = "10 "
> Case 111 : Serial.String = "11 "
> Case 121 : Serial.String = "12 "
> Case 131 : Serial.String = "13 "
> Case 141 : Serial.String = "14 "
> Case 151 : Serial.String = "15 "
> Case 161 : Serial.String = "16 "
> Case 171 : Serial.String = "17 "
> Case 181 : Serial.String = "18 "
> Case 191 : Serial.String = "19 "
> Case Else : Serial.String = " "
> End Select
> ' Serial.String = " "
> Serial.String = Str$(A2D1) 'Send value
> of AtoD to port
> If Reading_Cntr = 200 then Call readingcounter
> Loop
>
> End Sub
>
> Sub readingcounter()
> Serial.String = " ''200 Readings taken, Press the
> rest button to get 200 more Readings''"
> Serial.Value = 10 'LF "Line Feed, New Line"
> Serial.Value = 13 'CR "Carriage Return"
> Serial.String = " ''Or wait for 10 sec. &
> the reading will continue.''"
> OOPic.delay = 1000
> Serial.VALUE=12 'FF "Form Feed, New page"
> If Reading_Cntr = 200 then Reading_Cntr = 0
> If Reading_Cntr = 0 then Call Make_Header
> End Sub
>
> sub Make_Header()
> Serial.VALUE=12 'FF "Form
> Feed, New page"
> Serial.STRING = "READINGS TAKEN, Press
> Reset at any time to re-initiate"
> Serial.Value = 13
> 'CR "Carriage Return"
> Serial.Value = 10
> 'LF "Line Feed, New Line"
> Serial.STRING = " "
> Serial.STRING = " 1 2 3 4 5
> 6 7 8 9 0"
> Serial.Value = 10
> 'LF "Line Feed, New Line"
> Serial.Value = 13
> 'CR "Carriage Return"
> End Sub
>
>
> --- In oopic@... <oopic%40yahoogroups.com>, "@@"
> <will.lynelle@...> wrote:
> >
> > Are you talking about using the motors as DC generators and
> measuring the voltage to determine speed. Seems like you'd need six
> A2D channels, OOPic 1.7 only has 4, I believe. Perhaps you use use
> an i/o line to control a 3PDT relay, and measure three at a time.
> >
> > Check this link for DC Motor Tachometer basics:
> > http://team358.org/files/electrical/DC_MotorTachometer.pdf
> >
> > There is another method that detects the pulse generated when the
> commutator passes the break between the two permanent magnets, I
> think it employs a schmidt trigger but I couldn't find any good
> links. Perhaps someone else knows where to find it. With this
> method you'd have to count pulses from each motor - probably a little
> more software intensive, not usre how well the A1.7 counts pulses.
> >
> > Unless you're really set on using a stepper or servo to move the
> assembly, why not just make a big enough vane to move it directly.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > -Will
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Reid Simonsen
> > To: oopic@... <oopic%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 7:59 PM
> > Subject: [oopic] wind meter
> >
> >
> > My son has a project for his school. He would like to measure the
> wind with
> > six motors with difference shapes and sizes propeller. I have an
> old oopic
> > A.1.7 and was wondering if we can use it to measure the wind or
> volts on six
> > motors and send the data to the computer on RS232 to keep track
> the data on
> > the speed and time. I am wondering if we can use Oopic to measure
> the
> > wind on six motors at the same time and send the data to the
> computer or it
> > is better if we use something else beside the oopic. I am computer
> > programmer but not good on OOPic. We want to use six small motors
> that will
> > fit in plastic Easter egg shell with different shape and size of
> > propellers. We want to cover the motors from dirty and rain. We
> will run it
> > for about three week. We are planning to get cheap motor from All
> > Electronics http://www.allelectronics.com. But we are not sure
> what kind of
> > motor we should get. We were thinking to