wiki.linuxaudio.org and outdated/dead projects

[Holger Ballweg]

Hi list.

My name is Holger Ballweg, I am a student of Musikinformatik (musical
computer science?!) and musicology at the university of music in karlsruhe.

I'm using Linux for quite some time now, often using audio applications.
To discover new applications, there luckily is linuxaudio.org's appdb.
Unfortunately many of the apps aren't actively developed, some are
nowhere to be found because the homepage has vanished.

I just started editing the wiki and wanted to know, if we could add a
tag, which in some way makes it possible to see which projects are still
active or which not.

A possible solution could be to include some mechanism to show which
packages were updated in the last couple years by including a timestamp
for the last release (like proposed in the wiki) in the app entry and to
add an to the listings, which shows projects updated in the last 12 months.

I'd like to mess with the wiki some more, but first I'd like to have a
possibility to mark those old projects...


Cheers,

Holger


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[Robin Gareus]

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Holger Ballweg wrote:

> I'm using Linux for quite some time now, often using audio applications.
Welcome Holger.

> To discover new applications, there luckily is linuxaudio.org's appdb.
> Unfortunately many of the apps aren't actively developed, some are
> nowhere to be found because the homepage has vanished.
>
> I just started editing the wiki and wanted to know, if we could add a
> tag, which in some way makes it possible to see which projects are still
> active or which not.

You're welcome to do so. - You can just add a tag like
{{tag>UNMAINTAINED}} or {{tag>DEAD_LINK}} (A tag in dokuwiki may not
contain whitespaces) or a combination of these {{tag>UNMAINTAINED
DEAD_LINK}} ;) -  If the tag is used the first-time it will be rendered
in RED - click on the link and create/save an index-page (from a
template) for this tag.

eg. http://apps.linuxaudio.org/apps/all/ubuntustudio
http://apps.linuxaudio.org/apps/categories/linux_audio_bundles_distributions

We can assign images to certain tags - There are already a couple for
JACK, LV2, DEB, RPM, etc. but this is unfinished work.

> A possible solution could be to include some mechanism to show which
> packages were updated in the last couple years by including a timestamp
> for the last release (like proposed in the wiki) in the app entry and to
> add an to the listings, which shows projects updated in the last 12 months.

We had the idea to use lsm files to grep version information from, or
provide a wiki META-INFO for source-repos - the problem is that these
automatic-polling mechanisms are very prone to spamming.

> I'd like to mess with the wiki some more, but first I'd like to have a
> possibility to mark those old projects...

You should be able to help yourself already.
If you have a local account (no openID) I can add you to the editor's
group which makes few things (batch uploads, changes etc) easier.

I was planning an update of the content of apps/wiki for months already;
What about we share the workload and do it in October.
It won't be too hard to make a script that checks for dead links and
auto-tags apps-pages. - I'm going to resume
http://mir.dnsalias.com/blog/linux_sound_tags . I made a few scripts to
mass-rename tags and categories for dokuwiki; but it's still 200
tag-names to walk-through and I'm rather busy ATM as well ;(

keep in touch,
robin
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[Holger Ballweg]

Robin Gareus wrote:
[...]
>
> You're welcome to do so. - You can just add a tag like
> {{tag>UNMAINTAINED}} or {{tag>DEAD_LINK}} (A tag in dokuwiki may not
> contain whitespaces) or a combination of these {{tag>UNMAINTAINED
> DEAD_LINK}} ;) -  If the tag is used the first-time it will be rendered
> in RED - click on the link and create/save an index-page (from a
> template) for this tag.
>

ok, done that.

> We can assign images to certain tags - There are already a couple for
> JACK, LV2, DEB, RPM, etc. but this is unfinished work.

Perhaps it could be practical to hide all entries tagged both
unmaintained and dead_link and provide a link at the bottom of the page
to explicitly show them.
Also we could assign an image to those that are just unmaintained
(perhaps (something like) this:
http://www.hermann-uwe.de/blog/new-unmaintained-free-software-logo )

>
> We had the idea to use lsm files to grep version information from, or
> provide a wiki META-INFO for source-repos - the problem is that these
> automatic-polling mechanisms are very prone to spamming.
>

Perhaps we could also use some clever script to extract new releases out
of the LAA list - I don't know how hard this would be.

Or for better known projects we could rely on wikipedia :-/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Latest_stable_software_release/Audacity

All kind of hackish...

Perhaps we should just update that information by hand and hope that
some day more people will use and update this wiki,
or that it becomes standard for a project to maintain a decent wiki
entry at apps.linuxaudio.org :-)


> You should be able to help yourself already.
> If you have a local account (no openID) I can add you to the editor's
> group which makes few things (batch uploads, changes etc) easier.
>
My account name is "Holger", it's not openID. Would be really cool if
you could add me to that group :)

> I was planning an update of the content of apps/wiki for months already;
> What about we share the workload and do it in October.

Yeah, let's do this.

> It won't be too hard to make a script that checks for dead links and
> auto-tags apps-pages.

Would be nice, if you could do that. Then we could go over them and
check which are unmaintained or which are just plain wrong links.
We could add a version number and date of release to unmaintained
projects and don't bother about them as they are not active anyways.


> keep in touch,
> robin
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