wiki pages

[Christopher J. Walker]

I have made a number of changes[1] to
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience - hopefully they are an
improvement (and if anyone objects to the changes I have made, please
let me know).

Before I go much further, how do people see the role of the wiki - and
in particular the individual subject pages. At the moment many of
them are out of date and incomplete.

How do people see the role of the wiki pages? Are they a list of
packages people want packaged, and some indication of progress on the
packaging? Are they to give information to researchers in particular
subject areas on what packages are available? Are they a list of
e-mails on what packages people used 3 years ago (this is the case for
some of them)? Should they be replaced by
http://cdd.alioth.debian.org/science/tasks/index.html

Personally, I think that related projects - debian-med etc should be
linked more prominently - but how far does that extend - I don't think
we want to link to teams maintaining one package for example?

What I think would be nice are case studies (or links to case studies)
of how to accomplish a particular task. The "how to produce a poster"
section of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianScience/ConferenceTools is
rather sparse for example. Another example that would be useful to me
personally is "How to perform finite element modelling using software
in Debian". Comparitive reviews of particular pieces of software would
also be useful.

Chris

[1] I've added DebianScience/Engineering etc to match up with the
metapackages, moved the metapackages area nearer the top and turned it
into a table with links to the sentinel pages and ITP/RFP. I'd like to
add a link to bugs in particular subject areas - see
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=489861



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[Andreas Tille]

On Sat, 19 Jul 2008, Chris Walker wrote:

> How do people see the role of the wiki pages? Are they a list of
> packages people want packaged, and some indication of progress on the
> packaging? Are they to give information to researchers in particular
> subject areas on what packages are available? Are they a list of
> e-mails on what packages people used 3 years ago (this is the case for
> some of them)? Should they be replaced by
> http://cdd.alioth.debian.org/science/tasks/index.html

We have several wiki pages that make sense in general.  The wiki pages
that list existing and prospective packages do not make any sense to
me and I think they should be replaced by the tasks pages.

Kind regards and thanks to your effort in the Wiki

       Andreas.

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[Charles Plessy-12]

Le Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 06:42:33PM +0100, Chris Walker a écrit :
>
> Before I go much further, how do people see the role of the wiki - and
> in particular the individual subject pages. At the moment many of
> them are out of date and incomplete.

Hi Chris,

Now that we have nice autogenerated pages on Alioth, I think that the
wiki could be used as an input point from the users: we can subscribe to
pages that link to the Alioth task pages, and tell the users that they
can make suggestions on our mailing lists or on the wiki itself.

The wiki can have an additional role: to draft pages for the WML
website. For instance, the "Biology" task page accumulated more and more
DNA multiple sequence alignment tools. At some point, I started to write
a more dedicated wiki page (http://wiki.debian.org/SequenceAlignment).
Now that I do not expect the list of packaged programs in this field to
change too often, I will use the wiki page as a base for a new page in
the Debian Med section of the Debian website.

To summarise my view:

Wiki task pages -> Alioth task pages -> Wiki thematic pages -> Debian website

Have a nice day,

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[Frederic Lehobey]

Hi,

Andreas Tille <tillea@...> (2008-07-20 22:30:42) :

> We have several wiki pages that make sense in general.  The wiki pages
> that list existing and prospective packages do not make any sense to
> me and I think they should be replaced by the tasks pages.

  Agreed and supported. I have reduced the length and content of most
of them. They should ultimately completely vanish and being replaced
by up-to-date tasks pages.

Best regards,
Frédéric


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[Frederic Lehobey]

Hi,

Charles Plessy <plessy@...> (2008-07-21 11:59:40) :

> DNA multiple sequence alignment tools. At some point, I started to write
> a more dedicated wiki page (http://wiki.debian.org/SequenceAlignment).
> Now that I do not expect the list of packaged programs in this field to
> change too often, I will use the wiki page as a base for a new page in
> the Debian Med section of the Debian website.
>
> To summarise my view:
>
> Wiki task pages -> Alioth task pages -> Wiki thematic pages -> Debian website

  Should not Alioth task pages just directly become the 'Debian
website' with properly chosen and crafted task pages?

  Do you plan to turn your SequenceAlignment page into a task page (it
might already be the case, I have not checked)?

  Nice pages that could be produced by tasks would be similar (in the
content) to such pages: http://www.opennovation.org/ (great work,
Adam!).

Best regards,
Frédéric Lehobey


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[Andreas Tille]

On Thu, 31 Jul 2008, Frederic Lehobey wrote:

>  Should not Alioth task pages just directly become the 'Debian
> website' with properly chosen and crafted task pages?

Well, the tasks pages are only one (well, my favorite and most
important one) part.  Have a look at the features of

      http://debian-med.alioth.debian.org/

(left column "pages").  I'm not completely happy about everything
but this should give you an idea what might be possible in addition
to the tasks pages.  This stuff is subject of my DebConf work (or
next Extremadure meeting /Debian Edu gathering, whatever).  I'd like
to make this available for all CDDs and enhance it once I'm touching
int regarding some aspects.

So the homepage of a CDD should be more than just the tasks pages -
even if I would like to make the link to the tasks more prominent.
I'll ask for the help of web designers later ...

Regards from Argentina

        Andreas.


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