snd minibuffer is broken under motif front end

[Carlos Pita-4]

Hi,

I've attached a snapshot showing how the minibuffer looks like after
c-x c-f. Note that the text 'file' is ill-centered. (Here, the text
input box is not visible because of a focus issue I had while taking
the snapshot, but it works as it should). Another, more serious,
related problem is that cursor position is not being showed despite
the silent/verbose cursor setting. As occasionally, when
redimensioning the screen, I get a glimpse of it, I guess it's also a
layout problem. My motif version is:

ii  libmotif-dev                                  2.2.3-2
                       Open Motif - development files
ii  libmotif3                                     2.2.3-2
                       Open Motif - shared libraries

Anyone there is experiencing the same issues?

Best regards
-Carlos


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[Carlos Pita-4]

Now that I have compared the motif fe with the gtk  one I can say that
the minibuffer itself is also ill-behaved. I wrongly assumed its
behaviour to be auto-hide, but in gtk gui it's always there, and the
cursor coordinates shows up inside it. So, another problem to the
list: for the motif fe minibuffer is disappearing as soon as I click
outside it.

By the way, what is the preferred frontend nowadays?


Best regards
-Carlos

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Carlos Pita <carlosjosepita@...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've attached a snapshot showing how the minibuffer looks like after
> c-x c-f. Note that the text 'file' is ill-centered. (Here, the text
> input box is not visible because of a focus issue I had while taking
> the snapshot, but it works as it should). Another, more serious,
> related problem is that cursor position is not being showed despite
> the silent/verbose cursor setting. As occasionally, when
> redimensioning the screen, I get a glimpse of it, I guess it's also a
> layout problem. My motif version is:
>
> ii  libmotif-dev                                  2.2.3-2
>                       Open Motif - development files
> ii  libmotif3                                     2.2.3-2
>                       Open Motif - shared libraries
>
> Anyone there is experiencing the same issues?
>
> Best regards
> -Carlos
>

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[Carlos Pita-4]

I was able to snapshot the cursor position. I did the following: 1)
C-x C-f, 2) click inside the modeline, but outside the minibuffer
input box, 3) click the plot anywhere . After these steps the position
is momentarily visible until I click everywhere else.

HIH
-Carlos

On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:37 PM, Carlos Pita <carlosjosepita@...> wrote:

> Now that I have compared the motif fe with the gtk  one I can say that
> the minibuffer itself is also ill-behaved. I wrongly assumed its
> behaviour to be auto-hide, but in gtk gui it's always there, and the
> cursor coordinates shows up inside it. So, another problem to the
> list: for the motif fe minibuffer is disappearing as soon as I click
> outside it.
>
> By the way, what is the preferred frontend nowadays?
>
>
> Best regards
> -Carlos
>
> On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Carlos Pita <carlosjosepita@...> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've attached a snapshot showing how the minibuffer looks like after
>> c-x c-f. Note that the text 'file' is ill-centered. (Here, the text
>> input box is not visible because of a focus issue I had while taking
>> the snapshot, but it works as it should). Another, more serious,
>> related problem is that cursor position is not being showed despite
>> the silent/verbose cursor setting. As occasionally, when
>> redimensioning the screen, I get a glimpse of it, I guess it's also a
>> layout problem. My motif version is:
>>
>> ii  libmotif-dev                                  2.2.3-2
>>                       Open Motif - development files
>> ii  libmotif3                                     2.2.3-2
>>                       Open Motif - shared libraries
>>
>> Anyone there is experiencing the same issues?
>>
>> Best regards
>> -Carlos
>>
>

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[Bill Schottstaedt]

I'm not sure what you're referring to in regard to the cursor -- Snd has
a bunch of cursors.  The one in the graph marks a particular sample,
and if you move the view away from it, you won't see it.  Each text
widget, including the listener has a cursor (or maybe two), and these
are displayed only when that widget has "focus".  The reason (besides
the sheer irritation of looking at a screen full of blinking cursors) is
that each blink requires X server traffic (an incredible amount in Gtk's
case), and that can cause interruptions in playback.  

There are lots of minor differences between the Motif and Gtk versions --
I tried to mimic the Motif version when making the Gtk version, but
the two are slowly diverging.  I like Motif, and consider Gtk inflexible,
but I'm sure it would be different if I had written the Gtk version first.

Sometimes Motif labels aren't resized correctly -- I think that's what
happened to the "file:" prompt -- this, in my opinion, is a  bug in
Motif.


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[Carlos Pita-4]

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 10:17 AM, Bill Schottstaedt
<bil@...> wrote:
> I'm not sure what you're referring to in regard to the cursor -- Snd has

What I say is: the "modeline" (the place where the minibuffer resides,
I'm just doing an analogy with emacs here, not  sure what the name is)
contents are incorrectly displayed or not displayed at all. The
symptoms are:

i. Disregarding the silent/verbose setting, the cursor position at the
graph is never visible (except momentarily as shown in the second
snapshot, following specific steps),

ii. The text at the left of the minibuffer is positioned too high so
only its lower half is visible,

iii. (And this could be a bug or simply a difference between
frontends) The minibuffer input box disappears as soon as I click
outside the modeline

If the cursor coords are expected to be displayed at the minibuffer,
as in the case of the gtk fe, i and iii are related problems.

> a bunch of cursors.  The one in the graph marks a particular sample,
> and if you move the view away from it, you won't see it.  Each text

That's fine

> Sometimes Motif labels aren't resized correctly -- I think that's what
> happened to the "file:" prompt -- this, in my opinion, is a  bug in
> Motif.

Ok. This is just a minor annoyance, but not knowing the exact position
of the cursor in the graph could be a blocker.

Regards
-Carlos

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[Bill Schottstaedt]

I don't know what the problem is -- I can't get any of those bugs to
happen in either gtk or motif.



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[Carlos Pita-4]

It must be something about my openmotif version then. I tried to
compile snd against lesstif but it aborts with a seg fault at startup.
I will try against another openmotif release later, what is the number
of yours?

Best regards
-Carlos

On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 2:03 PM, Bill Schottstaedt
<bil@...> wrote:
> I don't know what the problem is -- I can't get any of those bugs to
> happen in either gtk or motif.
>
>
>
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[Bill Schottstaedt]

I'm using Motif 2.2.4.  I don't know what the status of Lesstif is --
for awhile I tried to support it, and someone (agnula?) said they
were going to work on it.  


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