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since HIE is gone now, what will replace it?
by Chris Eastwood-2
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and can digitals converted to remove the blocking filter work as well? thanks * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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RE: since HIE is gone now, what will replace it?
by Jason Revell
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I think it really depends what you qualities you like from HIE.
At work here I have been doing digital IR for about 7 years now (since Kodak killed the HISI) and for the technical applications digital IR works well - if anything slightly better than HIS/HIE. It gives a very 'clean' precise image. For more artistic work though it's not the same as HIE had it's own specific qualities that made it different even to other IR films. This is going to be difficult to replicate digitally. Jason Revell Conservation of Fine Art Northumbria University -----Original Message----- From: owner-infrared@... [mailto:owner-infrared@...] On Behalf Of Chris Eastwood Sent: 13 November 2007 13:59 To: INFRARED@... Subject: since HIE is gone now, what will replace it? Hi and can digitals converted to remove the blocking filter work as well? thanks * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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RE: since HIE is gone now, what will replace it?
by Keith Davison-2
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> For more artistic work though it's not the same as HIE had it's own
> specific qualities that made it different even to other IR films. This is > going to be difficult to replicate digitally. I have "dabbled with digital" IR for several years now. It is immeasureably easier to shoot, process, and print compared to IR film, not to mention MUCH cheaper, but it just does not have that indefinable "wow" factor that drew me in to my Kodak addiction. Luckily I discovered that when stored at -20C, even IR film remains perfect for decades past its use by date - and modern freezers are cheap to run ;o) Keith * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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Re: since HIE is gone now, what will replace it?
by Stan-42
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> and can digitals converted to remove the blocking filter work as well?
To Chris and the group, That is a general question and the general answer is yes. I had a Sony DSC-R1 converted almost two years ago and I am very pleased with the results. No more problems loading HIE on location and no more tricky chemical processing. Do my current images match the ones I got from HIE, the answer is no. That should come as no surprise since no other film ever looked or acted like HIE. But recently, I have been experimenting with higher ISO numbers so my camera is more holdable for IR exposures. This leads to more "noise" which, in BW, looks like the grain I used to get from HIE. Try it, you'll like it. Here is something I posted last year: http://www.PatzImaging.com/IRexamples0706.html Stan Patz NYC www.PatzImaging.com * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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Re: since HIE is gone now, what will replace it?
by Peter Badcock
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Hi Keith,
what is the oldest roll of HIE you have shot after been frozen for decades ? By perfect, did you observe no difference in the density of the base+fog of the film base ? No loss of contrast ? I'm thinking about stocking up my freezer now for the future. regards Peter On 14/11/2007, Keith Davison <megakd@...> wrote: > Luckily I discovered that when stored at -20C, even IR film remains perfect > for decades past its use by date - and modern freezers are cheap to run ;o) > > Keith > * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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RE: since HIE is gone now, what will replace it?
by Keith Zimmerman
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-infrared@... [mailto:owner-infrared@...]On Behalf Of > Chris Eastwood > Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2007 7:59 AM > To: INFRARED@... > Subject: since HIE is gone now, what will replace it? > > > Hi > > and can digitals converted to remove the blocking filter work as well? > > thanks > I say yes. I have been shooting digital IR for a couple of years now. I'm shooting a converted Nikon Coolpix E5400 and I am quite excited with my results. Check out my site for some examples of what I have been doing. Others have achieved other results, but that is because they have their own workflow. Keith Zimmerman Digital Black & White Infrared http://kzarts.com * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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Re: since HIE is gone now, what will replace it?
by Joshua Putnam
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For those facing the question of whether and how to go digital,
http://www.flickr.com/groups/lifepixel/ is specifically devoted to digital IR conversions, while http://www.flickr.com/groups/55027594@N00/ covers digital IR in general, including unconverted cameras. They don't always have the depth of discussion you can get from a mailing list, but browse the images to find a style you like and you'll get a feel for what hardware might be right for you. -- josh@... is Joshua Putnam <http://www.phred.org/~josh/> Updated Infrared Photography Gallery: <http://www.phred.org/~josh/photo/ir.html> * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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Re: since HIE is gone now, what will replace it?
by Keith Davison-2
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> what is the oldest roll of HIE you have shot after been frozen for
> decades ? By perfect, did you observe no difference in the density of the
> base+fog of the film base ? No loss of contrast ?
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> I'm thinking about stocking up my freezer now for the future.
I asked the infrared list the same question
s back in 2004 when Konica 750
bit the bulllet. W.J. replied with a link to this:-
FROM: w.j.markerink@... (Willem-Jan Markerink) SUBJECT: Re: Image latency DATE: Sat, 24 Feb 01 14:15:18 GMT NEWSGROUPS: rec.photo.darkroom,rec.photo.equipment.large- format Btw, for fresh film, non-exposed, the factor 'temperature' reads as follows (from Kodak): With storage limit at 24C indexed as 1: 20° = 1,3 8° = 12 0° = 30 - 5° = 55 -18° = 340 Would love to see a similar table for exposed film & latent images.... -- Bye, Willem-Jan Markerink
According to Kodak, that's a 340x longevity boost for unexposed film
stored at -18C, most film would have at least a six month use by date,
so do the math....
The only real gremlin for long term film storage is cosmic rays, they
will eventually build up the base fog.
Personally, I have a stock of HIE, 120 Konica 750, 120 cut-down
2424, and HSI, which has been at -20C since purchase, all of these
films are still giving me the results I know and love.
If you do decide to stock up, invest in a max min temperature monitor
(with alarm) for your freezer, so you are sure it is staying below -20
all of the time.
Double bagging all frozen film is another good idea.
Keith
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RE: since HIE is gone now, what will replace it?
by George L Smyth-2
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--- Keith Davison <megakd@...> wrote: [clip] > Luckily I discovered that when stored at -20C, even IR film remains perfect > for decades past its use by date - and modern freezers are cheap to run ;o) > > Keith Keith - You are correct. Last year I finished shooting the batch of 1992 Konica 120 film that I had stored in the freezer since purchase. It looked just fine. Cheers - george ------------------------------------- Eclectic Mix: http://EclecticMix.com One Minute How-To: http://OneMinuteHowTo.com DRiP Investing: http://DRiPInvesting.org Handmade Photographic Images: http://www.GLSmyth.com - Blog: GLSmyth.Wordpress.com * **** ******* ****************************************************** * To remove yourself from this list, send: * * UNSUBSCRIBE INFRARED * * to * * MAJORDOMO@... * *----------------------------------------------------* * For the IR-FAQ, IR-Gallery and heaps of links: * * http://www.a1.nl/phomepag/markerink/mainpage.htm * ****************************************************** |
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