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by Renato Fabbri-3
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Hello,
I am gathering info about functionalities missing as plugin implementations. Please send me your opinions. I am planning to make some plugins in the lv2 standard. For now, i am really tempted to focus on tools for sonic transformations (such as GRM tools), pattern creators (such as anarchy rhythms), and some other personal ideas. They are what i miss the most within the open source tools i know. Even so, i understand that there is a hadfull of plugin types for sound treatment that are very usefull, like eqs, reverbs, gates, compressors, noise/click/hum removers. It will be very appreciated to hear what plugins are missing the most, and maybe some extra info like for what kind of tasks, a similar existing plugin, etc. The more opinions gathered, the better. GUI implementations are really missing as LADSPA standard didn't permit fancy GUIs. So this is something to start changing :o) best for all, thanks, renato _______________________________________________ Ardour-Users mailing list ardour-users@... http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org |
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Re: plugin ideas
by John Rigg-7
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On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 07:41:57AM -0300, Renato Fabbri wrote:
> GUI implementations are really missing as LADSPA standard didn't permit > fancy GUIs. So this is something to start changing :o) I never used plugins (preferring to use outboard hardware) until I discovered the nice, plain LADSPA plugins with their easily adjustable sliders. I think a lot of proprietary plugin vendors fail to appreciate that a fancy picture of a control panel is much less useful than the real thing. If a plugin only allows a parameter to be adjusted by turning a picture of a knob with a mouse, for example, it is useless for real work IMO. I think it's also important to ensure that any additional "eye candy" doesn't cause a significant increase in system load. John _______________________________________________ Ardour-Users mailing list ardour-users@... http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org |
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Re: plugin ideas
by John Rigg-7
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On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 07:41:57AM -0300, Renato Fabbri wrote:
> It will be very appreciated to hear what plugins are missing the most, and > maybe some extra info like for what kind of tasks, a similar existing > plugin, etc. The more opinions gathered, the better. I'd like to see: 1 - A compressor with a sidechain input (if one doesn't exist already). A multiband compressor with separate sidechain inputs would be very nice. 2 - Low pass and high pass filters with variable slopes and corner characteristics. 3 - A parametric EQ with proper compensation for the frequency response aliasing that occurs near the Nyquist frequency (a la Sony Oxford EQ). 4 - A level meter that detects intersample peaks. 5 - (Related to 4) A mastering limiter that uses upsampling to reduce aliasing and intersample clipping. John _______________________________________________ Ardour-Users mailing list ardour-users@... http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org |
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Re: plugin ideas
by Mark Greenwood-2
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On Wednesday 09 July 2008 17:53:12 John Rigg wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 07:41:57AM -0300, Renato Fabbri wrote: > > GUI implementations are really missing as LADSPA standard didn't permit > > fancy GUIs. So this is something to start changing :o) > > I never used plugins (preferring to use outboard hardware) > until I discovered the nice, plain LADSPA plugins with their > easily adjustable sliders. > > I think a lot of proprietary plugin vendors fail to appreciate that a > fancy picture of a control panel is much less useful than the real > thing. If a plugin only allows a parameter to be adjusted by turning > a picture of a knob with a mouse, for example, it is useless for real > work IMO. I absolutely agree. Tiny little controls with barely legible numbers next to them are a waste of screen space. The GUIs provided for LADSPA plugins by Ardour are, in my opinion, just about right. No clutter, and it's easy to set things up just as you want. Mark > > I think it's also important to ensure that any additional "eye candy" > doesn't cause a significant increase in system load. > > John > _______________________________________________ > Ardour-Users mailing list > ardour-users@... > http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org > _______________________________________________ Ardour-Users mailing list ardour-users@... http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org |
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Re: plugin ideas
by Esben Stien
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"Renato Fabbri" <renato.fabbri@...> writes:
> Please send me your opinions. Simple oscillator with trigger input. Using LV2 as synthesis building blocks is totally useless without it. -- Esben Stien is b0ef@e s a http://www. s t n m irc://irc. b - i . e/%23contact sip:b0ef@ e e jid:b0ef@ n n _______________________________________________ Ardour-Users mailing list ardour-users@... http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org |
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Re: plugin ideas
by Matthijs ten Berge-3
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John Rigg wrote:
> I never used plugins (preferring to use outboard hardware) > until I discovered the nice, plain LADSPA plugins with their > easily adjustable sliders. > > I think a lot of proprietary plugin vendors fail to appreciate that a > fancy picture of a control panel is much less useful than the real > thing. If a plugin only allows a parameter to be adjusted by turning > a picture of a knob with a mouse, for example, it is useless for real > work IMO. > > I think it's also important to ensure that any additional "eye candy" > doesn't cause a significant increase in system load. > > John I fully agree with this. Especially knobs are a nightmare, and I don't care at all if the plugin doesn't have the same looks as that ol' 70s stomp box (sometimes it would have been even better if it hadn't...) The sound is what matters, plus the ease of adjusting parameters. Concerning the ease of adjustment, there is, I think, a line between 'needless eye-candy' and 'helpful visibles' (unfortunately this line is hard to draw). Needless to say that the rotary knobs belong to the 'needless eye-candy' category. As an example of a 'helpful visible', I find a compressor much easier to adjust if it has some ((semi)real-time) level meters. Ideally at least 3: an IN-level, OUT-level and gain reduction meter. Or: a room simulator would benefit from some graphic (x-y or maybe x-y-z) in which the relative positions of the sound sources and the listener are displayed. For a noise gate, a red/yellow/green 'traffic light' would give immediate visible feedback (closed/transition/open). Also with respect to the system load I agree. Most of these visibles are only needed when adjusting the parameters. So why not have a tick-box to disable them when done, to save some cpu resources for DSP? Or maybe even hide them, to also save some real estate on the monitor (which is also a very scarce resource). Cheers, Matthijs _______________________________________________ Ardour-Users mailing list ardour-users@... http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org |
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Re: plugin ideas
by Christopher Stamper
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"Concerning the ease of adjustment, there is, I think, a line between
'needless eye-candy' and 'helpful visibles' (unfortunately this line is hard to draw). Needless to say that the rotary knobs belong to the 'needless eye-candy' category." I agree. Knobs are dumb. *But*, sometimes we need something a little more than what we have. For example, it's much easier to draw an EQ curve than adjust a ton of little sliders.. :-) The screenshot on the ardour.org site, http://ardour.org/files/main-screenshot-small.png , shows an interesting window titled 'x-fade edit'. I'm not sure if its a plugin or not, but I sure would like some plugins to look like that. Compressor curves, EQ curves, etc would be so easy to use. -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstamper@... Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper _______________________________________________ Ardour-Users mailing list ardour-users@... http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org |
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Re: plugin ideas
by John Rigg-7
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On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 10:09:34AM -0400, Christopher Stamper wrote:
> *But*, sometimes we need something a little more than what we have. For > example, it's much easier to draw an EQ curve than adjust a ton of little > sliders.. :-) That's already possible in Jamin. Isn't the plugin that Jamin uses available for other apps that use LADSPA? That's completely different from a simple parametric EQ though. It uses a _lot_ more processing power, and while undoubtedly useful on occasion, there are situations where it would be painfully slow and difficult to use. For instance, how do you sweep a cut or boost frequency up and down while adjusting bandwidth at the same time? That's something I do with parametric EQs all the time (both hardware and software). I also suspect that it wouldn't take many channels to use up all the available DSP power. Nice to have as an addition, but not as a substitute. > > The screenshot on the ardour.org site, > http://ardour.org/files/main-screenshot-small.png , shows an interesting > window titled 'x-fade edit'. I'm not sure if its a plugin or not, but I sure > would like some plugins to look like that. Compressor curves, EQ curves, etc > would be so easy to use. It depends on the application. It would be nice to be able to draw a compressor curve, but in situations where you need separate compression on a lot of individual tracks, the additional DSP load would cause problems. I also find it (maybe it's my background in analogue sound engineering) much faster to set up multiple channels of compression with simple slider controls rather than have to mess around drawing curves. Again, this would be a nice addition but not a substitute. John _______________________________________________ Ardour-Users mailing list ardour-users@... http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org |
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Re: plugin ideas
by Renato Fabbri-3
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2008/7/10 Matthijs ten Berge <m.h.tenberge@...>: ... Concerning the ease of adjustment, there is, I think, a line between tick boxes are really an option to design lv2 plugins. i think that, as extensions, we can activate generic tools (such as 2D controlers with oscilators) and even complete GUIs. these which, by its turn, can be unactivated or disabled visually to save CPU processing. That is something i will keep my eyes on. i fell like this "plugin of a plugin design" is a bit funny, but it looks reasonable and usefull after i took a look in the LV2 API. at the moment i think that a generic 2D high resolution controller for managing 2 chosen parameters would be nice. And a 2D low resolution (kind of a grid) as well. Oscilators for automatic time progression of these parameters seems nice too. does some other idea for generic (maybe visual) controlers comes to mind?
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OS-X Leopard
by John Emmas
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Not sure if this is the right place to ask - but does anyone know what is
the minimum hardware spec for running OS-X Leopard? I need to test something under Leopard but I can't find anyone who uses it. One of my friends owns a set of install discs (which he's never used and doesn't want) but I'd need to find something to install them on. I've often seen old Macs at car boot sales - but they're usually old G4's or Macbooks etc. Would something like that be suitable or is OS-X "Intel only" ? This is just for testing BTW. It wouldn't need to have any great performance. Thanks, John _______________________________________________ Ardour-Users mailing list ardour-users@... http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org |
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Re: plugin ideas
by porl sheean
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i would pay money for someone to do a port of jamin to lv2... being
able to have jamin's settings stored directly within an ardour project and not have to worry about patching an insert out to an external program would really be useful. another alternative would be to make an 'lv2 lv2 host'. ie make an lv2 plugin that hosts other lv2 plugins, so you can save a preset of multiple lv2 plugins. eg have a 'master' preset that contains eq, limiter etc, or a 'vocal' preset that has eq, compressor, exciter (if you like that kind of thing) etc. porl _______________________________________________ Ardour-Users mailing list ardour-users@... http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org |
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Re: plugin ideas
by Felipe Machado-2
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let's make!!!
we have a center to develop free software, here in brasil, we have money to do somethings that Renato Fabbri is working in the audio lab. Where we will put this ideas and start to work? we can use estudiolivre.org renato? On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 10:55 PM, porl sheean <porl42@...> wrote: i would pay money for someone to do a port of jamin to lv2... being -- -=|| Felipe Machado|| =- -=|| Recife | PE ||=- http://originaldosample.wordpress.com -= www.estudiolivre.org =- _______________________________________________ Ardour-Users mailing list ardour-users@... http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org |
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Re: plugin ideas
by Jaromír Mikeš
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< ------------ Původní zpráva ------------ < Od: John Rigg <au@...> < Předmět: Re: [Ardour-Users] plugin ideas < Datum: 09.7.2008 19:06:02 < ---------------------------------------- < On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 07:41:57AM -0300, Renato Fabbri wrote: < > It will be very appreciated to hear what plugins are missing the most, and < > maybe some extra info like for what kind of tasks, a similar existing < > plugin, etc. The more opinions gathered, the better. < < I'd like to see: < < 1 - A compressor with a sidechain input (if one doesn't exist < already). A multiband compressor with separate sidechain < inputs would be very nice. < < 2 - Low pass and high pass filters with variable slopes and < corner characteristics. < < 3 - A parametric EQ with proper compensation for the frequency response < aliasing that occurs near the Nyquist frequency (a la Sony Oxford EQ). < < 4 - A level meter that detects intersample peaks. < < 5 - (Related to 4) A mastering limiter that uses upsampling to < reduce aliasing and intersample clipping. < John < _______________________________________________ < Ardour-Users mailing list < ardour-users@... < http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org < < < Hi, I absolutely agree with this list and I only would like add some others: 6. Some good reverb... maybe convolution one is a good choice because of its universal usage. (Here is one interesting, but no GUI for it .... http://www.kokkinizita.net/linuxaudio/) (e.g. like SIR http://www.knufinke.de/sir/) 7. Good real time measuring tool... Oscilator... (phase checker) Level meter Peak and RMS (Like RME Digicheck http://www.rme-audio.de/en_support_techinfo.php?page=content/support/en_support_techinfo_digicheck) (http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=233) 8. Phase-linear EQ would be nice too :-) (Like PSPaudio's http://www.pspaudioware.com/ ... Neon ...) 9. Tapable and synchronized delay (Like PSPaudio's http://www.pspaudioware.com/ ... 608 ...) 10. Exciter (Like Crysonic's http://www.crysonic.com/spectralivenxt.html) 11. Noise remover (Like http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=259 http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=205 http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=203) 12. DeEsser (Like http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=267) I have the same opinion like others in this thread that "eye candy" stuff is not most important and shouldn't increase system load too much. But on the other hand some graphical improvement can make live easer .. ;-) mira _______________________________________________ Ardour-Users mailing list ardour-users@... http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org |
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Re: plugin ideas
by Ben Powers-2
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It would be great to have an eq that displays a graph. This would help
in "rolling off" frequencies. I'd also be pleased with a VU meter Cheers Ben Powers bennyp@... http://www.out-of-order.ca On 4-Aug-08, at Aug 4, 15:37 , Jaromír Mikeš wrote: > > < ------------ Původní zpráva ------------ > < Od: John Rigg <au@...> > < Předmět: Re: [Ardour-Users] plugin ideas > < Datum: 09.7.2008 19:06:02 > < ---------------------------------------- > < On Wed, Jul 09, 2008 at 07:41:57AM -0300, Renato Fabbri wrote: > < > It will be very appreciated to hear what plugins are missing > the most, and > < > maybe some extra info like for what kind of tasks, a similar > existing > < > plugin, etc. The more opinions gathered, the better. > < > < I'd like to see: > < > < 1 - A compressor with a sidechain input (if one doesn't exist > < already). A multiband compressor with separate sidechain > < inputs would be very nice. > < > < 2 - Low pass and high pass filters with variable slopes and > < corner characteristics. > < > < 3 - A parametric EQ with proper compensation for the frequency > response > < aliasing that occurs near the Nyquist frequency (a la Sony > Oxford EQ). > < > < 4 - A level meter that detects intersample peaks. > < > < 5 - (Related to 4) A mastering limiter that uses upsampling to > < reduce aliasing and intersample clipping. > < John > < _______________________________________________ > < Ardour-Users mailing list > < ardour-users@... > < http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org > < > < > < > Hi, > I absolutely agree with this list and I only would like add some > others: > > 6. Some good reverb... maybe convolution one is a good choice > because of its universal usage. > (Here is one interesting, but no GUI for it .... http://www.kokkinizita.net/linuxaudio/) > (e.g. like SIR http://www.knufinke.de/sir/) > > 7. Good real time measuring tool... > Oscilator... (phase checker) > Level meter Peak and RMS > (Like RME Digicheck http://www.rme-audio.de/en_support_techinfo.php?page=content/support/en_support_techinfo_digicheck) > (http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=233) > > 8. Phase-linear EQ would be nice too :-) > (Like PSPaudio's http://www.pspaudioware.com/ ... Neon ...) > > 9. Tapable and synchronized delay > (Like PSPaudio's http://www.pspaudioware.com/ ... 608 ...) > > 10. Exciter > (Like Crysonic's http://www.crysonic.com/spectralivenxt.html) > > 11. Noise remover > (Like http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=259 http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=205 > http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=203) > > 12. DeEsser > (Like http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=267) > > I have the same opinion like others in this thread that "eye candy" > stuff is not most important and shouldn't increase system load too > much. But on the other hand some graphical improvement can make live > easer .. ;-) > > mira > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ardour-Users mailing list > ardour-users@... > http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org _______________________________________________ Ardour-Users mailing list ardour-users@... http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org |
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Re: plugin ideas
by Felipe Machado-2
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good. we have to keep in mind that we're starting the job and realy have to work together with the developers that make ladspa and other free plugins, also the ardour developers too.
so, how we can work together? On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 10:03 AM, Ben Powers <bennyp@...> wrote: It would be great to have an eq that displays a graph. This would help in "rolling off" frequencies. -- -=|| Felipe Machado|| =- -=|| Recife | PE ||=- http://originaldosample.wordpress.com -= www.estudiolivre.org =- _______________________________________________ Ardour-Users mailing list ardour-users@... http://lists.ardour.org/listinfo.cgi/ardour-users-ardour.org |
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