new old boat is at a new home in Ohio

[Mike Cheung]

Well, we picked up our new 1993 recycled Rhodes Saturday and after a quick test sail started home.  We trailered her behind our 2005 Honda Pilot.  The Pilot has a towing capacity of 4500# and was equal to the task, but only just.  I was gratified that the Pilot was able to launch and retrieve at Stan's ramp without any trouble at all.  Things got a little squirrelly above 60 mph while towing and the PA turnpike was just no fun at all.  

Here's a pic at Stan's.  Yes, those are kayaks on top of the Honda.  Those probably didn't help our stability much.



Here's a shot of the new boat with Stan, myself, and Mark (on top, rigging her for the road).



And, last, here's a shot of the 93 recycled r22 at her new home.  She won't go into the barn in the background with her mast up on the mast support, but it looks like she'll go in with it down.  So she'll get the spend her winters indoors most likely.



Hopefully we'll get her out later this week for a test sail.  Though we're just back from vacationing at the Outer Banks (hence the kayaks) and things will be really busy this week and next catching up.  

I've already gotten the Lake Erie charts though, so hopefully we'll splash at Sandusky the first weekend in August for a weekend cruise around the Lake Erie islands.  

I appreciate all the input from the list and, no doubt, I'll have a ton of questions as we become familiar with our new boat.  Actually, I have one already.  There's a pair of cam locks on the sides of the cabin that I can't figure out the use for.  Here's a shot.  



I know that there's a million ways to rig the genoa, but thought that first two (outboard to inboard) ended up at the winches with the third using the inboard cam cleats on the cabin top.  The topping lift is accounted for on the outboard port cabin top.  The genoa in-haul is accounted for on the outboard starboard cabin top.  So what's the cleat on the side of the cabin top for?

She doesn't have a name yet, we're still working on that.

Mike Cheung s/v ????

[Hank-5]

Mike,

I believe that Mary Lou stated that these are for use with the Genoa inside
the upper shrouds but outside the lowers.  The cabin tops would be for use
when you are inside the lowers.

Am I right Mary Lou?

Hank


On 7/21/08, Mike Cheung <mikecheung@...> wrote:

>
>
> Well, we picked up our new 1993 recycled Rhodes Saturday and after a quick
> test sail started home.  We trailered her behind our 2005 Honda Pilot.  The
> Pilot has a towing capacity of 4500# and was equal to the task, but only
> just.  I was gratified that the Pilot was able to launch and retrieve at
> Stan's ramp without any trouble at all.  Things got a little squirrelly
> above 60 mph while towing and the PA turnpike was just no fun at all.
>
> Here's a pic at Stan's.  Yes, those are kayaks on top of the Honda.  Those
> probably didn't help our stability much.
>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/93%2Br22%2Band%2Bhonda.jpg
>
> Here's a shot of the new boat with Stan, myself, and Mark (on top, rigging
> her for the road).
>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/r22%2Bstan%2Bmike%2Band%2Bmark.jpg
>
> And, last, here's a shot of the 93 recycled r22 at her new home.  She won't
> go into the barn in the background with her mast up on the mast support,
> but
> it looks like she'll go in with it down.  So she'll get the spend her
> winters indoors most likely.
>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/93%2Br22%2Bat%2Bhome.jpg
>
> Hopefully we'll get her out later this week for a test sail.  Though we're
> just back from vacationing at the Outer Banks (hence the kayaks) and things
> will be really busy this week and next catching up.
>
> I've already gotten the Lake Erie charts though, so hopefully we'll splash
> at Sandusky the first weekend in August for a weekend cruise around the
> Lake
> Erie islands.
>
> I appreciate all the input from the list and, no doubt, I'll have a ton of
> questions as we become familiar with our new boat.  Actually, I have one
> already.  There's a pair of cam locks on the sides of the cabin that I
> can't
> figure out the use for.  Here's a shot.
>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/mystery%2Bcam.jpg
>
> I know that there's a million ways to rig the genoa, but thought that first
> two (outboard to inboard) ended up at the winches with the third using the
> inboard cam cleats on the cabin top.  The topping lift is accounted for on
> the outboard port cabin top.  The genoa in-haul is accounted for on the
> outboard starboard cabin top.  So what's the cleat on the side of the cabin
> top for?
>
> She doesn't have a name yet, we're still working on that.
>
> Mike Cheung s/v ????
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[R22MikeW]

Mike,

Congratulations on picking up your new mistress.  She looks real pretty.
Keep your other half involved (sailing her) or you will never hear the end
of it.

As far as the cam cleats go, they are either for rigging the genny as you
guessed or a smaller jib that may have been used, such as a storm jib.  Look
for additional rigging points or a fastener for another bow stay.  Mary Lou
flies a UPS with the Genoa on Fretless
(http://www.nabble.com/Single-handed-sail-video-to16018742.html#a16027146)
and you can see the attachment hardware for the additional sail.

BTW, how come Stan gets to sit down on the job?

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY


From: "Mike Cheung" <mikecheung@...>Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 11:46 AM

>
> Well, we picked up our new 1993 recycled Rhodes Saturday and after a quick
> test sail started home.  We trailered her behind our 2005 Honda Pilot.
> The
> Pilot has a towing capacity of 4500# and was equal to the task, but only
> just.  I was gratified that the Pilot was able to launch and retrieve at
> Stan's ramp without any trouble at all.  Things got a little squirrelly
> above 60 mph while towing and the PA turnpike was just no fun at all.
>
> Here's a pic at Stan's.  Yes, those are kayaks on top of the Honda.  Those
> probably didn't help our stability much.
>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/93%2Br22%2Band%2Bhonda.jpg
>
> Here's a shot of the new boat with Stan, myself, and Mark (on top, rigging
> her for the road).
>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/r22%2Bstan%2Bmike%2Band%2Bmark.jpg
>
> And, last, here's a shot of the 93 recycled r22 at her new home.  She
> won't
> go into the barn in the background with her mast up on the mast support,
> but
> it looks like she'll go in with it down.  So she'll get the spend her
> winters indoors most likely.
>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/93%2Br22%2Bat%2Bhome.jpg
>
> Hopefully we'll get her out later this week for a test sail.  Though we're
> just back from vacationing at the Outer Banks (hence the kayaks) and
> things
> will be really busy this week and next catching up.
>
> I've already gotten the Lake Erie charts though, so hopefully we'll splash
> at Sandusky the first weekend in August for a weekend cruise around the
> Lake
> Erie islands.
>
> I appreciate all the input from the list and, no doubt, I'll have a ton of
> questions as we become familiar with our new boat.  Actually, I have one
> already.  There's a pair of cam locks on the sides of the cabin that I
> can't
> figure out the use for.  Here's a shot.
>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/mystery%2Bcam.jpg
>
> I know that there's a million ways to rig the genoa, but thought that
> first
> two (outboard to inboard) ended up at the winches with the third using the
> inboard cam cleats on the cabin top.  The topping lift is accounted for on
> the outboard port cabin top.  The genoa in-haul is accounted for on the
> outboard starboard cabin top.  So what's the cleat on the side of the
> cabin
> top for?
>
> She doesn't have a name yet, we're still working on that.
>
> Mike Cheung s/v ????
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[Peter Thorn]

Congratulation Mike on a fine new boat.

On my boat there are two cleats on either side of the cabin house (like your
pic).  One is to control the headsail furler and the other is for the UPS
furler.    Part of the fun of a new boat is figuring out new creative uses
for running rigging.

PT

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Well, we picked up our new 1993 recycled Rhodes Saturday and after a quick
test sail started home.  We trailered her behind our 2005 Honda Pilot.  The
Pilot has a towing capacity of 4500# and was equal to the task, but only
just.  I was gratified that the Pilot was able to launch and retrieve at
Stan's ramp without any trouble at all.  Things got a little squirrelly
above 60 mph while towing and the PA turnpike was just no fun at all.  

Here's a pic at Stan's.  Yes, those are kayaks on top of the Honda.  Those
probably didn't help our stability much.

http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/93%2Br22%2Band%2Bhonda.jpg 

Here's a shot of the new boat with Stan, myself, and Mark (on top, rigging
her for the road).

http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/r22%2Bstan%2Bmike%2Band%2Bmark.jpg 

And, last, here's a shot of the 93 recycled r22 at her new home.  She won't
go into the barn in the background with her mast up on the mast support, but
it looks like she'll go in with it down.  So she'll get the spend her
winters indoors most likely.

http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/93%2Br22%2Bat%2Bhome.jpg 

Hopefully we'll get her out later this week for a test sail.  Though we're
just back from vacationing at the Outer Banks (hence the kayaks) and things
will be really busy this week and next catching up.  

I've already gotten the Lake Erie charts though, so hopefully we'll splash
at Sandusky the first weekend in August for a weekend cruise around the Lake
Erie islands.  

I appreciate all the input from the list and, no doubt, I'll have a ton of
questions as we become familiar with our new boat.  Actually, I have one
already.  There's a pair of cam locks on the sides of the cabin that I can't
figure out the use for.  Here's a shot.  

http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/mystery%2Bcam.jpg 

I know that there's a million ways to rig the genoa, but thought that first
two (outboard to inboard) ended up at the winches with the third using the
inboard cam cleats on the cabin top.  The topping lift is accounted for on
the outboard port cabin top.  The genoa in-haul is accounted for on the
outboard starboard cabin top.  So what's the cleat on the side of the cabin
top for?

She doesn't have a name yet, we're still working on that.

Mike Cheung s/v ????
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[Tootle]

Mike:

Great report.  So you took some of Stan's squirrels home with you?

Did you consider going west from Stan's and up I-77 like Caesar did?

I guess you answered the questions posted about whether a Honda Pilot can tow a R22.

You have been given the correct answers to your question about the cleats on the side of the cabin.

Why didn't you tell Stan that you needed a special mast rest for the stern of the boat that you could crank up and down to get boat in barn?

Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA
"The chance for mistakes is about equal to the number of crew squared."-  Ted Turner

Hank-5 wrote:

Mike,

I believe that Mary Lou stated that these are for use with the Genoa inside
the upper shrouds but outside the lowers.  The cabin tops would be for use
when you are inside the lowers.

Am I right Mary Lou?

Hank


On 7/21/08, Mike Cheung <[e-mail]> wrote:
>
>
> Well, we picked up our new 1993 recycled Rhodes Saturday and after a quick
> test sail started home.  We trailered her behind our 2005 Honda Pilot.  The
> Pilot has a towing capacity of 4500# and was equal to the task, but only
> just.  I was gratified that the Pilot was able to launch and retrieve at
> Stan's ramp without any trouble at all.  Things got a little squirrelly
> above 60 mph while towing and the PA turnpike was just no fun at all.
>
> Here's a pic at Stan's.  Yes, those are kayaks on top of the Honda.  Those
> probably didn't help our stability much.
>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/93%2Br22%2Band%2Bhonda.jpg
>
> Here's a shot of the new boat with Stan, myself, and Mark (on top, rigging
> her for the road).
>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/r22%2Bstan%2Bmike%2Band%2Bmark.jpg
>
> And, last, here's a shot of the 93 recycled r22 at her new home.  She won't
> go into the barn in the background with her mast up on the mast support,
> but
> it looks like she'll go in with it down.  So she'll get the spend her
> winters indoors most likely.
>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/93%2Br22%2Bat%2Bhome.jpg
>
> Hopefully we'll get her out later this week for a test sail.  Though we're
> just back from vacationing at the Outer Banks (hence the kayaks) and things
> will be really busy this week and next catching up.
>
> I've already gotten the Lake Erie charts though, so hopefully we'll splash
> at Sandusky the first weekend in August for a weekend cruise around the
> Lake
> Erie islands.
>
> I appreciate all the input from the list and, no doubt, I'll have a ton of
> questions as we become familiar with our new boat.  Actually, I have one
> already.  There's a pair of cam locks on the sides of the cabin that I
> can't
> figure out the use for.  Here's a shot.
>
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/mystery%2Bcam.jpg
>
> I know that there's a million ways to rig the genoa, but thought that first
> two (outboard to inboard) ended up at the winches with the third using the
> inboard cam cleats on the cabin top.  The topping lift is accounted for on
> the outboard port cabin top.  The genoa in-haul is accounted for on the
> outboard starboard cabin top.  So what's the cleat on the side of the cabin
> top for?
>
> She doesn't have a name yet, we're still working on that.
>
> Mike Cheung s/v ????
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[Mike Cheung]

The route:  We took 32 to 460 to 295 to 95 on day one.  We planned an overnight north of Richmond Saturday night since we didn't know when we'd be on the road after our Saturday noon-ish arrival at GBI.  From there we took I-95 to 17 to avoid Wash. DC and then a couple other roads to end up in Breezewood, PA.  Near as I can tell that's "purgatory on earth" since heading anywhere SE of Akron you end up there.  From there we take the PA turnpike to the OH turnpike to home.

Heading due west to pick up I-77 would almost certainly be longer, though I-77 does run close to us.

As for the vertically adjusting stern support.  What a cool idea!  Actually, summers the barn is such a mess that getting the boat in and out would take half a day anyway.  I'd rather leave her road rigged next to the barn, ready to go.  

I guess I buy the explanation for the cams on the cabin side.  When we played with Stan's test boat I'm pretty sure I rigged that "between the stays" genoa position back to the winch.  It worked, but I'll try the cabin side cleat next time.

Mike

Mike

Tootle wrote:

Mike:

Great report.  So you took some of Stan's squirrels home with you?

Did you consider going west from Stan's and up I-77 like Caesar did?

I guess you answered the questions posted about whether a Honda Pilot can tow a R22.

You have been given the correct answers to your question about the cleats on the side of the cabin.

Why didn't you tell Stan that you needed a special mast rest for the stern of the boat that you could crank up and down to get boat in barn?

Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA
"The chance for mistakes is about equal to the number of crew squared."-  Ted Turner

[Hank-5]

Mike or Ed,

Why does the rear vertical support need to be so high?  It really looks like
it is giving an excessive amount of clearance over the cabin top.

Hank


On 7/21/08, Mike Cheung <mikecheung@...> wrote:

>
>
> The route:  We took 32 to 460 to 295 to 95 on day one.  We planned an
> overnight north of Richmond Saturday night since we didn't know when we'd
> be
> on the road after our Saturday noon-ish arrival at GBI.  From there we took
> I-95 to 17 to avoid Wash. DC and then a couple other roads to end up in
> Breezewood, PA.  Near as I can tell that's "purgatory on earth" since
> heading anywhere SE of Akron you end up there.  From there we take the PA
> turnpike to the OH turnpike to home.
>
> Heading due west to pick up I-77 would almost certainly be longer, though
> I-77 does run close to us.
>
> As for the vertically adjusting stern support.  What a cool
> idea!  Actually,
> summers the barn is such a mess that getting the boat in and out would take
> half a day anyway.  I'd rather leave her road rigged next to the barn,
> ready
> to go.
>
> I guess I buy the explanation for the cams on the cabin side.  When we
> played with Stan's test boat I'm pretty sure I rigged that "between the
> stays" genoa position back to the winch.  It worked, but I'll try the cabin
> side cleat next time.
>
> Mike
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> Tootle wrote:
> >
> > Mike:
> >
> > Great report.  So you took some of Stan's squirrels home with you?
> >
> > Did you consider going west from Stan's and up I-77 like Caesar did?
> >
> > I guess you answered the questions posted about whether a Honda Pilot can
> > tow a R22.
> >
> > You have been given the correct answers to your question about the cleats
> > on the side of the cabin.
> >
> > Why didn't you tell Stan that you needed a special mast rest for the
> stern
> > of the boat that you could crank up and down to get boat in barn?
> >
> > Ed K
> > Greenville, SC, USA
> > "The chance for mistakes is about equal to the number of crew squared."-
> > Ted Turner
> >
> >
>
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[Mary Lou Troy-2]

We don't have cam cleats there. We have the track with an adjustable
eye on the side deck next to the cabin and I believe we run from
there back to the winch. It's been a while since we've used the
track. Looks like that might work for the furled genoa. Mike, do you
have two sets of cleats on the cabin top? If you do this just gives
you more options. Might work well for the furling line but you'd have
to make sure the end of the line didn't end up being in the way.

ML


At 11:52 AM 7/21/2008, you wrote:

>Mike,
>
>I believe that Mary Lou stated that these are for use with the Genoa inside
>the upper shrouds but outside the lowers.  The cabin tops would be for use
>when you are inside the lowers.
>
>Am I right Mary Lou?
>
>Hank
>
>
>On 7/21/08, Mike Cheung <mikecheung@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Well, we picked up our new 1993 recycled Rhodes Saturday and after a quick
> > test sail started home.  We trailered her behind our 2005 Honda Pilot.  The
> > Pilot has a towing capacity of 4500# and was equal to the task, but only
> > just.  I was gratified that the Pilot was able to launch and retrieve at
> > Stan's ramp without any trouble at all.  Things got a little squirrelly
> > above 60 mph while towing and the PA turnpike was just no fun at all.
> >
> > Here's a pic at Stan's.  Yes, those are kayaks on top of the Honda.  Those
> > probably didn't help our stability much.
> >
> > http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/93%2Br22%2Band%2Bhonda.jpg
> >
> > Here's a shot of the new boat with Stan, myself, and Mark (on top, rigging
> > her for the road).
> >
> > http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/r22%2Bstan%2Bmike%2Band%2Bmark.jpg
> >
> > And, last, here's a shot of the 93 recycled r22 at her new home.  She won't
> > go into the barn in the background with her mast up on the mast support,
> > but
> > it looks like she'll go in with it down.  So she'll get the spend her
> > winters indoors most likely.
> >
> > http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/93%2Br22%2Bat%2Bhome.jpg
> >
> > Hopefully we'll get her out later this week for a test sail.  Though we're
> > just back from vacationing at the Outer Banks (hence the kayaks) and things
> > will be really busy this week and next catching up.
> >
> > I've already gotten the Lake Erie charts though, so hopefully we'll splash
> > at Sandusky the first weekend in August for a weekend cruise around the
> > Lake
> > Erie islands.
> >
> > I appreciate all the input from the list and, no doubt, I'll have a ton of
> > questions as we become familiar with our new boat.  Actually, I have one
> > already.  There's a pair of cam locks on the sides of the cabin that I
> > can't
> > figure out the use for.  Here's a shot.
> >
> > http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/mystery%2Bcam.jpg
> >
> > I know that there's a million ways to rig the genoa, but thought that first
> > two (outboard to inboard) ended up at the winches with the third using the
> > inboard cam cleats on the cabin top.  The topping lift is accounted for on
> > the outboard port cabin top.  The genoa in-haul is accounted for on the
> > outboard starboard cabin top.  So what's the cleat on the side of the cabin
> > top for?
> >
> > She doesn't have a name yet, we're still working on that.
> >
> > Mike Cheung s/v ????
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[R22MikeW]

Hank,

The height of the mast support is dictated by the mechanical advantage of
the mast crane.  There is no reason why the mast needs to be so high during
transport or storage.

Mike
s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81)
Nissequogue River, NY

From: "Hank" <hnw555@...>Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 1:51 PM

> Mike or Ed,
>
> Why does the rear vertical support need to be so high?  It really looks
> like
> it is giving an excessive amount of clearance over the cabin top.
>
> Hank
>
>
> On 7/21/08, Mike Cheung <mikecheung@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The route:  We took 32 to 460 to 295 to 95 on day one.  We planned an
>> overnight north of Richmond Saturday night since we didn't know when we'd
>> be
>> on the road after our Saturday noon-ish arrival at GBI.  From there we
>> took
>> I-95 to 17 to avoid Wash. DC and then a couple other roads to end up in
>> Breezewood, PA.  Near as I can tell that's "purgatory on earth" since
>> heading anywhere SE of Akron you end up there.  From there we take the PA
>> turnpike to the OH turnpike to home.
>>
>> Heading due west to pick up I-77 would almost certainly be longer, though
>> I-77 does run close to us.
>>
>> As for the vertically adjusting stern support.  What a cool
>> idea!  Actually,
>> summers the barn is such a mess that getting the boat in and out would
>> take
>> half a day anyway.  I'd rather leave her road rigged next to the barn,
>> ready
>> to go.
>>
>> I guess I buy the explanation for the cams on the cabin side.  When we
>> played with Stan's test boat I'm pretty sure I rigged that "between the
>> stays" genoa position back to the winch.  It worked, but I'll try the
>> cabin
>> side cleat next time.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> Tootle wrote:
>> >
>> > Mike:
>> >
>> > Great report.  So you took some of Stan's squirrels home with you?
>> >
>> > Did you consider going west from Stan's and up I-77 like Caesar did?
>> >
>> > I guess you answered the questions posted about whether a Honda Pilot
>> > can
>> > tow a R22.
>> >
>> > You have been given the correct answers to your question about the
>> > cleats
>> > on the side of the cabin.
>> >
>> > Why didn't you tell Stan that you needed a special mast rest for the
>> stern
>> > of the boat that you could crank up and down to get boat in barn?
>> >
>> > Ed K
>> > Greenville, SC, USA
>> > "The chance for mistakes is about equal to the number of crew
>> > squared."-
>> > Ted Turner
>> >
>> >
>>
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It needs to be that high to give you a good angle to start raising
the mast using the GBI mast raising system. If it were lower, when
you cranked on the winch it would just compress the mast into the
tabernacle rather than lifting it. We store our mast on the stern
rail for the winter so the boat is easier to cover. We used to take
the mast off completely and stow it tied to the rafters of the garage
but we don't have a garage here in MD

ML

At 01:51 PM 7/21/2008, you wrote:

>Mike or Ed,
>
>Why does the rear vertical support need to be so high?  It really looks like
>it is giving an excessive amount of clearance over the cabin top.
>
>Hank
>
>
>On 7/21/08, Mike Cheung <mikecheung@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The route:  We took 32 to 460 to 295 to 95 on day one.  We planned an
> > overnight north of Richmond Saturday night since we didn't know when we'd
> > be
> > on the road after our Saturday noon-ish arrival at GBI.  From there we took
> > I-95 to 17 to avoid Wash. DC and then a couple other roads to end up in
> > Breezewood, PA.  Near as I can tell that's "purgatory on earth" since
> > heading anywhere SE of Akron you end up there.  From there we take the PA
> > turnpike to the OH turnpike to home.
> >
> > Heading due west to pick up I-77 would almost certainly be longer, though
> > I-77 does run close to us.
> >
> > As for the vertically adjusting stern support.  What a cool
> > idea!  Actually,
> > summers the barn is such a mess that getting the boat in and out would take
> > half a day anyway.  I'd rather leave her road rigged next to the barn,
> > ready
> > to go.
> >
> > I guess I buy the explanation for the cams on the cabin side.  When we
> > played with Stan's test boat I'm pretty sure I rigged that "between the
> > stays" genoa position back to the winch.  It worked, but I'll try the cabin
> > side cleat next time.
> >
> > Mike
> >
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > Tootle wrote:
> > >
> > > Mike:
> > >
> > > Great report.  So you took some of Stan's squirrels home with you?
> > >
> > > Did you consider going west from Stan's and up I-77 like Caesar did?
> > >
> > > I guess you answered the questions posted about whether a Honda Pilot can
> > > tow a R22.
> > >
> > > You have been given the correct answers to your question about the cleats
> > > on the side of the cabin.
> > >
> > > Why didn't you tell Stan that you needed a special mast rest for the
> > stern
> > > of the boat that you could crank up and down to get boat in barn?
> > >
> > > Ed K
> > > Greenville, SC, USA
> > > "The chance for mistakes is about equal to the number of crew squared."-
> > > Ted Turner
> > >
> > >
> >
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[Leland]

Mike,

Great looking boat, but I may be a little partial since mine is red too.

The cam cleats are for running the sheets across the decks, as everyone has stated.  It took me about 100 trips before I decided that I too liked running the Genoa sheets straight back to the winch.  You seemed to have figured this out on your first sail.

Using the winch instead of the cam cleat may get your sheet in the way of a passenger, but I doubt it.  You might also get more of a direct pull from the eye thingy, but I doubt that it makes a significant difference even in heavy winds.  It's nice to be able to use the winch, and the "clam" cleat works much easier than the "cam" cleat.

Just an FYI, if you install a bimini where mine is installed, you'll run the starboard sheet outside the bimini support and the port sheet inside the support.  They'll both barely touch the support but there won't be any interference.

I've never tried running the sheet across the cabintop and then to the winch.  It would be more of an angle from the eye thingy and a higher angle down to the winch, but I'm definitely going to try it next time out.

Good luck and thanks for the idea!

Lee
1986 Rhodes22  At Ease
Kent Island, MD


The route:  We took 32 to 460 to 295 to 95 on day one.  We planned an overnight north of Richmond Saturday night since we didn't know when we'd be on the road after our Saturday noon-ish arrival at GBI.  From there we took I-95 to 17 to avoid Wash. DC and then a couple other roads to end up in Breezewood, PA.  Near as I can tell that's "purgatory on earth" since heading anywhere SE of Akron you end up there.  From there we take the PA turnpike to the OH turnpike to home.

Heading due west to pick up I-77 would almost certainly be longer, though I-77 does run close to us.

As for the vertically adjusting stern support.  What a cool idea!  Actually, summers the barn is such a mess that getting the boat in and out would take half a day anyway.  I'd rather leave her road rigged next to the barn, ready to go.  

I guess I buy the explanation for the cams on the cabin side.  When we played with Stan's test boat I'm pretty sure I rigged that "between the stays" genoa position back to the winch.  It worked, but I'll try the cabin side cleat next time.

Mike

Mike

Tootle wrote:

Mike:

Great report.  So you took some of Stan's squirrels home with you?

Did you consider going west from Stan's and up I-77 like Caesar did?

I guess you answered the questions posted about whether a Honda Pilot can tow a R22.

You have been given the correct answers to your question about the cleats on the side of the cabin.

Why didn't you tell Stan that you needed a special mast rest for the stern of the boat that you could crank up and down to get boat in barn?

Ed K
Greenville, SC, USA
"The chance for mistakes is about equal to the number of crew squared."-  Ted Turner

[Hank-5]

Then if it wasn't you, it was someone else on the list that had that, I just
don't remember who.

Hank


On 7/21/08, Mary Lou Troy <mtroy@...> wrote:

>
> We don't have cam cleats there. We have the track with an adjustable
> eye on the side deck next to the cabin and I believe we run from
> there back to the winch. It's been a while since we've used the
> track. Looks like that might work for the furled genoa. Mike, do you
> have two sets of cleats on the cabin top? If you do this just gives
> you more options. Might work well for the furling line but you'd have
> to make sure the end of the line didn't end up being in the way.
>
> ML
>
>
> At 11:52 AM 7/21/2008, you wrote:
> >Mike,
> >
> >I believe that Mary Lou stated that these are for use with the Genoa
> inside
> >the upper shrouds but outside the lowers.  The cabin tops would be for use
> >when you are inside the lowers.
> >
> >Am I right Mary Lou?
> >
> >Hank
> >
> >
> >On 7/21/08, Mike Cheung <mikecheung@...> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Well, we picked up our new 1993 recycled Rhodes Saturday and after a
> quick
> > > test sail started home.  We trailered her behind our 2005 Honda
> Pilot.  The
> > > Pilot has a towing capacity of 4500# and was equal to the task, but
> only
> > > just.  I was gratified that the Pilot was able to launch and retrieve
> at
> > > Stan's ramp without any trouble at all.  Things got a little squirrelly
> > > above 60 mph while towing and the PA turnpike was just no fun at all.
> > >
> > > Here's a pic at Stan's.  Yes, those are kayaks on top of the
> Honda.  Those
> > > probably didn't help our stability much.
> > >
> > > http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/93%2Br22%2Band%2Bhonda.jpg
> > >
> > > Here's a shot of the new boat with Stan, myself, and Mark (on top,
> rigging
> > > her for the road).
> > >
> > >
> http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/r22%2Bstan%2Bmike%2Band%2Bmark.jpg
> > >
> > > And, last, here's a shot of the 93 recycled r22 at her new home.  She
> won't
> > > go into the barn in the background with her mast up on the mast
> support,
> > > but
> > > it looks like she'll go in with it down.  So she'll get the spend her
> > > winters indoors most likely.
> > >
> > > http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/93%2Br22%2Bat%2Bhome.jpg
> > >
> > > Hopefully we'll get her out later this week for a test sail.  Though
> we're
> > > just back from vacationing at the Outer Banks (hence the kayaks) and
> things
> > > will be really busy this week and next catching up.
> > >
> > > I've already gotten the Lake Erie charts though, so hopefully we'll
> splash
> > > at Sandusky the first weekend in August for a weekend cruise around the
> > > Lake
> > > Erie islands.
> > >
> > > I appreciate all the input from the list and, no doubt, I'll have a ton
> of
> > > questions as we become familiar with our new boat.  Actually, I have
> one
> > > already.  There's a pair of cam locks on the sides of the cabin that I
> > > can't
> > > figure out the use for.  Here's a shot.
> > >
> > > http://www.nabble.com/file/p18571473/mystery%2Bcam.jpg
> > >
> > > I know that there's a million ways to rig the genoa, but thought that
> first
> > > two (outboard to inboard) ended up at the winches with the third using
> the
> > > inboard cam cleats on the cabin top.  The topping lift is accounted for
> on
> > > the outboard port cabin top.  The genoa in-haul is accounted for on the
> > > outboard starboard cabin top.  So what's the cleat on the side of the
> cabin
> > > top for?
> > >
> > > She doesn't have a name yet, we're still working on that.
> > >
> > > Mike Cheung s/v ????
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[Leland]

Mike,

Running the Genoa sheets across the cabintop and then to the winch works, but not well.  They drag across the cabintop hand-holds at quite an angle.

When running the sheets across the deck to the winch, don't forget to run them through the snatchblock.  Otherwise the sheet will be angled down too much when it hits the winch and will cause winch override, which will cause your sheet to lock onto the winch.  It's very difficult to get the sheet unlocked without heading into the wind to release the tension on the sheet.  To prevent this from happening, your sheet must lead up, not down, to its winch.  I'm sure it's the reason Stan mounts our winches on raised platforms.  There's a good article on eliminating winch overrides in the August issue of Sail Magazine that just came out.

Lee


Mike,

Great looking boat, but I may be a little partial since mine is red too.

The cam cleats are for running the sheets across the decks, as everyone has stated.  It took me about 100 trips before I decided that I too liked running the Genoa sheets straight back to the winch.  You seemed to have figured this out on your first sail.

Using the winch instead of the cam cleat may get your sheet in the way of a passenger, but I doubt it.  You might also get more of a direct pull from the eye thingy, but I doubt that it makes a significant difference even in heavy winds.  It's nice to be able to use the winch, and the "clam" cleat works much easier than the "cam" cleat.

Just an FYI, if you install a bimini where mine is installed, you'll run the starboard sheet outside the bimini support and the port sheet inside the support.  They'll both barely touch the support but there won't be any interference.

I've never tried running the s