monitor shot, need advice for a new one

[Dave Phillips]

Greetings,

My old trusty Envision 19-inch monitor finally gave up the ghost this
morning. It keeps clicking into power-down mode, and at times I have to
turn it off and back on to get the display again.

Unless anyone advises differently I'll be headed out to Wal-Mart and
Stapes this afternoon to get a new flat-screen display. I can afford up
to $350, are there any particular brands/models in that range that I
should consider or avoid ?

All input welcome, thanks in advance. :)

Best,

dp

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[Mark Knecht]

Consider the Samsung wide screen 22"/23" models for around $250-$300.
We have a couple and they are really nice. Wide screen is great for
Ardour and it will double as a TV set for watching movies, etc.

Samsung 2253BW 22" LCD Monitor (1680 x 1050, 3000:1, 2ms)

http://shop2.frys.com/%7BtBvZIMNAwz6ve2Jej0TCDA**.node3%7D/product/5525630;jsessionid=tBvZIMNAwz6ve2Jej0TCDA**.node3?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Cheers,
Mark

On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 7:43 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips@...> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> My old trusty Envision 19-inch monitor finally gave up the ghost this
> morning. It keeps clicking into power-down mode, and at times I have to
> turn it off and back on to get the display again.
>
> Unless anyone advises differently I'll be headed out to Wal-Mart and
> Stapes this afternoon to get a new flat-screen display. I can afford up
> to $350, are there any particular brands/models in that range that I
> should consider or avoid ?
>
> All input welcome, thanks in advance. :)
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>
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[Joe Hartley]

On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:59:15 -0700
"Mark Knecht" <markknecht@...> wrote:
> Consider the Samsung wide screen 22"/23" models for around $250-$300.

I have a Samsung LCD on my studio computer as well, it's quite nice.  It
was quite affordable, and does the trick for me in the studio.  Plus I
really like not having a CRT hum to purge from the system!

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[Dave Phillips]

Mark Knecht wrote:
> Samsung 2253BW 22" LCD Monitor (1680 x 1050, 3000:1, 2ms)
>  
Hey Mark,

That's perfect ! I'll look for one in town, but if I can't find it here
I'll order it. It looks to be exactly what I want, at just the right
price, definitely worth waiting a few days for. Many thanks for the
recommendation.

Best,

dp

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[Dave Phillips]

Joe Hartley wrote:

> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:59:15 -0700
> "Mark Knecht" <markknecht@...> wrote:
>  
>> Consider the Samsung wide screen 22"/23" models for around $250-$300.
>>    
>
> I have a Samsung LCD on my studio computer as well, it's quite nice.  It
> was quite affordable, and does the trick for me in the studio.  Plus I
> really like not having a CRT hum to purge from the system!
>  

Thanks, Joe. I'm going to look at some displays this afternoon, a few
places in town carry Samsung.

Is there a significant difference between the BW and LW models ?

Best,

dp


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[Mark Knecht]

On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips@...> wrote:

> Joe Hartley wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:59:15 -0700
>> "Mark Knecht" <markknecht@...> wrote:
>>
>>> Consider the Samsung wide screen 22"/23" models for around $250-$300.
>>>
>>
>> I have a Samsung LCD on my studio computer as well, it's quite nice.  It
>> was quite affordable, and does the trick for me in the studio.  Plus I
>> really like not having a CRT hum to purge from the system!
>>
> Thanks, Joe. I'm going to look at some displays this afternoon, a few
> places in town carry Samsung.
>
> Is there a significant difference between the BW and LW models ?
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>

You'll have to research that but look for the ones with 3000:1
contrast and 2mS response time. My son has one and it's fantastic.
Cost us about $325 last Christmas so I'm sure you can get it for the
$250-$285 price by now. Watch for the cables that come with your new
monitor. A few of the newest models are only coming with DVI/HDMI type
interfaces and one required that you spend more money for a VGA
interface cable.

Good luck,
Mark
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[Giuseppe Zompatori-2]

Mine died a week ago, got myself an Acer v190w (1440x900 75Hz nateive
res) for ~150 euros
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009139.
It's a pretty good monitor for the money.

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[Christopher Stamper]

I just got a pretty nice Acer 22in wide for like $200. Cant remember the name though, I'm not at home...

 

At TigerDirect btw.

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[Thomas Vecchione-2]

Throw in another vote for the Samsung panels.  I can't remember model numbers off hand, but the ones I have are 19" Widescreen and I love em.  Great performance for the price.

     Seablade

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[Loki Davison]

On 7/13/08, Mark Knecht <markknecht@...> wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 8:26 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips@...>
> wrote:
>> Joe Hartley wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Jul 2008 07:59:15 -0700
>>> "Mark Knecht" <markknecht@...> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Consider the Samsung wide screen 22"/23" models for around $250-$300.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I have a Samsung LCD on my studio computer as well, it's quite nice.  It
>>> was quite affordable, and does the trick for me in the studio.  Plus I
>>> really like not having a CRT hum to purge from the system!
>>>
>> Thanks, Joe. I'm going to look at some displays this afternoon, a few
>> places in town carry Samsung.
>>
>> Is there a significant difference between the BW and LW models ?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> dp
>>
>
> You'll have to research that but look for the ones with 3000:1
> contrast and 2mS response time. My son has one and it's fantastic.
> Cost us about $325 last Christmas so I'm sure you can get it for the
> $250-$285 price by now. Watch for the cables that come with your new
> monitor. A few of the newest models are only coming with DVI/HDMI type
> interfaces and one required that you spend more money for a VGA
> interface cable.
>
> Good luck,
> Mark
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ARRG!!! BADNESS WARNING!

users of vga cables with an lcd should be shot. No grey area here.
Take your vga cable and burn it. Fun analog to digital conversion for
no reason so good bye nice, clear, crisp viewing. But if you are used
to a CRT maybe you don't like to be able to see stuff well... and a
nice, decent gaming vga card costs about $20, so um.... enjoy that
total misuse of the nice screen you have bought.

There is a reason new monitors come with the RIGHT cables. To stop
idiots using the wrong cables. Sorry if this is little over the top...
gf left me and still venting a little...

back to listening to leonard cohen  with me...

Loki
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[Adam Sampson]

"Loki Davison" <loki.davison@...> writes:

> users of vga cables with an lcd should be shot.

Only if your video card has poor-quality analogue output (which is the
case for a lot of modern cards -- I've never seen an NVidia card that
produces acceptable analogue output, for example). With my cheapie
Radeon 9200, the analogue and digital outputs are indistinguishable
when displayed on a 1600x1200 LCD, which is extremely handy for
multihead.

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[Mark Knecht]

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 1:39 AM, Adam Sampson <ats@...> wrote:

> "Loki Davison" <loki.davison@...> writes:
>
>> users of vga cables with an lcd should be shot.
>
> Only if your video card has poor-quality analogue output (which is the
> case for a lot of modern cards -- I've never seen an NVidia card that
> produces acceptable analogue output, for example). With my cheapie
> Radeon 9200, the analogue and digital outputs are indistinguishable
> when displayed on a 1600x1200 LCD, which is extremely handy for
> multihead.
>
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Dave,
   This seems like overreaction on Loki's part to me. My son uses an
nice ($250) nvidia graphics agapter, VGA output, to drive him Samsung
flatscreen monitor. the picture is great.

   I'n sure staying digital is a better way to go, but it's by no
means required.

Cheers,
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[Dave Phillips]

Mark Knecht wrote:

>> "Loki Davison" <loki.davison@...> writes:
>>
>>    
>>> users of vga cables with an lcd should be shot.
>>>      
> Dave,
>    This seems like overreaction on Loki's part to me. My son uses an
> nice ($250) nvidia graphics agapter, VGA output, to drive him Samsung
> flatscreen monitor. the picture is great.
>
>    I'n sure staying digital is a better way to go, but it's by no
> means required.
>  

Hi Mark,

Well, I purchased a Westinghouse L2210NW at Best Buy for ~$270, about as
good a price as I could get on the Samsung you recommended. I've yet to
configure it, but it meets the exact same specs you advised for the
Samsung, so I decided to buy it. So far, so good. The display is *huge*,
and I'm hoping that a few annoyances wil be cleared up after I fully
configure it for my nVidia 7600GS.

I plan to purchase one of those Samsungs for the main room, as soon as
the cash reserves are up again.

Any suggestions for xorg.conf ? I figure to just let the nVidia
configurator do its stuff, then I'll tweak as needed.

I also bought a 4-slice toaster, but it doesn't run Linux. :(

As always, thanks for the help, it is most appreciated here in the
hinterlands.

Btw, did anyone else happen to read about the Wall Street Journal's
"interviews" with residents of Findlay OH ? Yep, that's my hometown, and
yep, this place is filled with knee-jerk reactionaries.

Best,

dp

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[Dave Phillips]

Hey Mark,

I forgot to mention that I'm running it with the VGA connection. Should
I line myself up against the wall now ? ;)

Actually, thanks to Loki's remarks I'm kind of interested in the DVI
now. My video card has the output, but I need a cable. Is there any
other special consideration to make when going DVI ?

Best,

dp

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[Joe Hartley]

On Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:14:28 -0400
Dave Phillips <dlphillips@...> wrote:
> Any suggestions for xorg.conf ? I figure to just let the nVidia
> configurator do its stuff, then I'll tweak as needed.

Y'know, I have an nvidia card, and I haven't bothered with the special
nVidia drivers in a long time.  I guess I lose 3D, but it doesn't seem
important to me in the studio - I use the nv driver that comes with
Xorg.

I think if you want the official driver, your approach seems fine.

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[Dave Phillips]

Joe Hartley wrote:
> ... I have an nvidia card, and I haven't bothered with the special
> nVidia drivers in a long time.  I guess I lose 3D, but it doesn't seem
> important to me in the studio - I use the nv driver that comes with
> Xorg.
>
> I think if you want the official driver, your approach seems fine.
I need 3D with Pd/GEM, AVSynthesis, and some other OpenGL-based stuff.

Trust me, folks, as soon as the ATI stuff is fully supported by
open-source drivers capable of accelerated 3D then I'll get one of their
cards. Until then, I need to stick with the nVidia drivers.

Best,

dp

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[Geoff King-4]

I have a Samsung SyncMaster 245BW which has a great picture, but was
pretty expensive.  It doesn't work with my DVI on my older nvidia
card, but analog looks really nice so no worries.  Also had to make
some manual edits to my xorg.conf file since the highest resolution
was not detected automatically.  I'm very happy with it, after a few
hours figuring out how to get the highest resolution.  I left some
detailed notes in the ubuntuforums about this.  Geoff
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[Mark Knecht]

Hi Dave,
   Congrats on the new purchase.

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 8:14 AM, Dave Phillips <dlphillips@...> wrote:

> Mark Knecht wrote:
>>>
>>> "Loki Davison" <loki.davison@...> writes:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> users of vga cables with an lcd should be shot.
>>>>
>>
>> Dave,
>>   This seems like overreaction on Loki's part to me. My son uses an
>> nice ($250) nvidia graphics agapter, VGA output, to drive him Samsung
>> flatscreen monitor. the picture is great.
>>
>>   I'n sure staying digital is a better way to go, but it's by no
>> means required.
>>
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Well, I purchased a Westinghouse L2210NW at Best Buy for ~$270, about as
> good a price as I could get on the Samsung you recommended. I've yet to
> configure it, but it meets the exact same specs you advised for the Samsung,
> so I decided to buy it. So far, so good. The display is *huge*, and I'm
> hoping that a few annoyances wil be cleared up after I fully configure it
> for my nVidia 7600GS.

There are only something like 3 flat panel display manufacturers in
the world so most likely you bought the same screen as what's in the
Samsung.

>
> I plan to purchase one of those Samsungs for the main room, as soon as the
> cash reserves are up again.
>
> Any suggestions for xorg.conf ? I figure to just let the nVidia configurator
> do its stuff, then I'll tweak as needed.

Not too many. I used xorg.conf for our Samsung 17" and 19" monitors.
My son's 22" is on a Windows only machine so no direct experience with
setting up X on that monitor but I suspect it's probably very straight
forward.

I would suggest that you get out the manual for your new monitor and
find the exact specs - vertical and horizontal sync rates, horizontal
and vertical pixel count, etc., and then approach the X config as a
custom monitor. I've had better luck setting them up that way.

Keep in mind that with flat panel displays there is only one *real*
pixel count. There is no way to change how many pixels are on the
screen. If your monitor is 1620x1280 native then that's all it runs.
When you set a different resolution in xorg.config then software or
hardware has to make a conversion to the native resolution of the
display. This is different than an old style analog monitor that just
changed how fast it painted pixels and could change the real
resolution. Anyway, the reason I bring this up is I find it best to
first set the monitor up using whatever the actual resolution of the
monitor is and try running that resolution for a few days. If you're
happy with it then stick with it as it's the best picture quality and
the lower system overhead.

Whatever you do I'm sure you'll be happy.
>
> I also bought a 4-slice toaster, but it doesn't run Linux. :(
>

How 20th century of you... ;-)


> As always, thanks for the help, it is most appreciated here in the
> hinterlands.
>
> Btw, did anyone else happen to read about the Wall Street Journal's
> "interviews" with residents of Findlay OH ? Yep, that's my hometown, and
> yep, this place is filled with knee-jerk reactionaries.

Missed them but I'll go looking. Here is California is all peace, love
and understanding, right? ;-)

Cheers,
Mark
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>
>
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