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	legal questsion by Werner Punz-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Hello everyone, since the discussion on the myfaces devs list has pointed me towards here a legal question. I developed in my working time which I can dedicate to opensource software a significant library, licensed under ASF 2.0 license. It is an extension library to the myfaces tomahawk library. Every single line of code of that lib is currently written by me. I have committer rights to myfaces. The main issue is, that the library itself probably will end up as separate myfaces subproject. The main issue is, is any incubation needed, or can the code just be merged in. Or does a ip clearance/software grant has to be performed upfront. The code was developed outside of the myfaces repo, but the coderights, and licensing issues are in the clear! Kind regards Werner Punz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@...
	Re: legal questsion by Matthias Wessendorf-4 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Hi, I wouldn't call it "legal issue". It's more a question what to do with the contribution, since it was developed "offline". I personally think that a software grant for this offer should be fine. Main reason is, that the original author is already part of the myfaces community. -Matthias On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Werner Punz <werner.punz@...> wrote: > Hello everyone, since the discussion on the myfaces devs list has pointed me > towards here a legal question. > I developed in my working time which I can dedicate to opensource software a > significant library, licensed under ASF 2.0 license. > It is an extension library to the myfaces tomahawk library. > Every single line of code of that lib is currently written by me. > I have committer rights to myfaces. > > The main issue is, that the library itself probably will end up as separate > myfaces subproject. > > The main issue is, is any incubation needed, or can the code just be merged > in. Or does a ip clearance/software grant has to be performed upfront. The > code was developed outside of the myfaces repo, but the coderights, and > licensing issues are in the clear! > > > Kind regards > > Werner Punz > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... > > -- Matthias Wessendorf further stuff: blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@...
	Re: legal questsion by Craig L Russell :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message I agree that a software grant should be fine, but the other question is whether the myfaces PMC wants to accept the contribution. The process at http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html seems to fit the need here. There is a minimum of "e-paperwork" to do: just requires the myfaces PMC to request and the Incubator PMC to accept it. Craig On Jul 7, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: > Hi, > > I wouldn't call it "legal issue". It's more a question what to do with > the contribution, > since it was developed "offline". > > I personally think that a software grant for this offer should be > fine. > Main reason is, that the original author is already part of the > myfaces community. > > -Matthias > > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Werner Punz <werner.punz@...> > wrote: >> Hello everyone, since the discussion on the myfaces devs list has >> pointed me >> towards here a legal question. >> I developed in my working time which I can dedicate to opensource >> software a >> significant library, licensed under ASF 2.0 license. >> It is an extension library to the myfaces tomahawk library. >> Every single line of code of that lib is currently written by me. >> I have committer rights to myfaces. >> >> The main issue is, that the library itself probably will end up as >> separate >> myfaces subproject. >> >> The main issue is, is any incubation needed, or can the code just >> be merged >> in. Or does a ip clearance/software grant has to be performed >> upfront. The >> code was developed outside of the myfaces repo, but the coderights, >> and >> licensing issues are in the clear! >> >> >> Kind regards >> >> Werner Punz >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... >> >> > > > > -- > Matthias Wessendorf > > further stuff: > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... > Craig L Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@... P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! smime.p7s (3K) Download Attachment
	Re: legal questsion by Matthias Wessendorf-4 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Craig L Russell <Craig.Russell@...> wrote: > I agree that a software grant should be fine, but the other question is > whether the myfaces PMC wants to accept the contribution. yes, they will. Already kind of an agreement about that on dev@.... -M > > The process at http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html seems to > fit the need here. There is a minimum of "e-paperwork" to do: just requires > the myfaces PMC to request and the Incubator PMC to accept it. > > Craig > > On Jul 7, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> I wouldn't call it "legal issue". It's more a question what to do with >> the contribution, >> since it was developed "offline". >> >> I personally think that a software grant for this offer should be fine. >> Main reason is, that the original author is already part of the >> myfaces community. >> >> -Matthias >> >> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Werner Punz <werner.punz@...> wrote: >>> >>> Hello everyone, since the discussion on the myfaces devs list has pointed >>> me >>> towards here a legal question. >>> I developed in my working time which I can dedicate to opensource >>> software a >>> significant library, licensed under ASF 2.0 license. >>> It is an extension library to the myfaces tomahawk library. >>> Every single line of code of that lib is currently written by me. >>> I have committer rights to myfaces. >>> >>> The main issue is, that the library itself probably will end up as >>> separate >>> myfaces subproject. >>> >>> The main issue is, is any incubation needed, or can the code just be >>> merged >>> in. Or does a ip clearance/software grant has to be performed upfront. >>> The >>> code was developed outside of the myfaces repo, but the coderights, and >>> licensing issues are in the clear! >>> >>> >>> Kind regards >>> >>> Werner Punz >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Matthias Wessendorf >> >> further stuff: >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... >> > > Craig L Russell > Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo > 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@... > P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! > > -- Matthias Wessendorf further stuff: blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@...
	Re: legal questsion by Craig L Russell :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On Jul 7, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: > On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Craig L Russell > <Craig.Russell@...> wrote: >> I agree that a software grant should be fine, but the other >> question is >> whether the myfaces PMC wants to accept the contribution. > > yes, they will. Already kind of an agreement about that on dev@.... Great, then it's just paperwork now. Craig > > > -M > >> >> The process at http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html >> seems to >> fit the need here. There is a minimum of "e-paperwork" to do: just >> requires >> the myfaces PMC to request and the Incubator PMC to accept it. >> >> Craig >> >> On Jul 7, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I wouldn't call it "legal issue". It's more a question what to do >>> with >>> the contribution, >>> since it was developed "offline". >>> >>> I personally think that a software grant for this offer should be >>> fine. >>> Main reason is, that the original author is already part of the >>> myfaces community. >>> >>> -Matthias >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Werner Punz >>> <werner.punz@...> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello everyone, since the discussion on the myfaces devs list has >>>> pointed >>>> me >>>> towards here a legal question. >>>> I developed in my working time which I can dedicate to opensource >>>> software a >>>> significant library, licensed under ASF 2.0 license. >>>> It is an extension library to the myfaces tomahawk library. >>>> Every single line of code of that lib is currently written by me. >>>> I have committer rights to myfaces. >>>> >>>> The main issue is, that the library itself probably will end up as >>>> separate >>>> myfaces subproject. >>>> >>>> The main issue is, is any incubation needed, or can the code just >>>> be >>>> merged >>>> in. Or does a ip clearance/software grant has to be performed >>>> upfront. >>>> The >>>> code was developed outside of the myfaces repo, but the >>>> coderights, and >>>> licensing issues are in the clear! >>>> >>>> >>>> Kind regards >>>> >>>> Werner Punz >>>> >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Matthias Wessendorf >>> >>> further stuff: >>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... >>> >> >> Craig L Russell >> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/ >> jdo >> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@... >> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! >> >> > > > > -- > Matthias Wessendorf > > further stuff: > blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ > sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf > mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... > Craig L Russell Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@... P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! smime.p7s (3K) Download Attachment
	Re: legal questsion by Werner Punz-2 :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message Ok thanks for the clarification, btw. sorry for the typo in the topic. Werner Craig L Russell schrieb: > > On Jul 7, 2008, at 9:02 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: > >> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:59 PM, Craig L Russell >> <Craig.Russell@...> wrote: >>> I agree that a software grant should be fine, but the other question is >>> whether the myfaces PMC wants to accept the contribution. >> >> yes, they will. Already kind of an agreement about that on dev@.... > > Great, then it's just paperwork now. > > Craig >> >> >> -M >> >>> >>> The process at http://incubator.apache.org/ip-clearance/index.html >>> seems to >>> fit the need here. There is a minimum of "e-paperwork" to do: just >>> requires >>> the myfaces PMC to request and the Incubator PMC to accept it. >>> >>> Craig >>> >>> On Jul 7, 2008, at 8:24 AM, Matthias Wessendorf wrote: >>> >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> I wouldn't call it "legal issue". It's more a question what to do with >>>> the contribution, >>>> since it was developed "offline". >>>> >>>> I personally think that a software grant for this offer should be fine. >>>> Main reason is, that the original author is already part of the >>>> myfaces community. >>>> >>>> -Matthias >>>> >>>> On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 4:50 PM, Werner Punz <werner.punz@...> >>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello everyone, since the discussion on the myfaces devs list has >>>>> pointed >>>>> me >>>>> towards here a legal question. >>>>> I developed in my working time which I can dedicate to opensource >>>>> software a >>>>> significant library, licensed under ASF 2.0 license. >>>>> It is an extension library to the myfaces tomahawk library. >>>>> Every single line of code of that lib is currently written by me. >>>>> I have committer rights to myfaces. >>>>> >>>>> The main issue is, that the library itself probably will end up as >>>>> separate >>>>> myfaces subproject. >>>>> >>>>> The main issue is, is any incubation needed, or can the code just be >>>>> merged >>>>> in. Or does a ip clearance/software grant has to be performed upfront. >>>>> The >>>>> code was developed outside of the myfaces repo, but the coderights, >>>>> and >>>>> licensing issues are in the clear! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Kind regards >>>>> >>>>> Werner Punz >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Matthias Wessendorf >>>> >>>> further stuff: >>>> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >>>> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >>>> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org >>>> >>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... >>>> >>> >>> Craig L Russell >>> Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo >>> 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@... >>> P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Matthias Wessendorf >> >> further stuff: >> blog: http://matthiaswessendorf.wordpress.com/ >> sessions: http://www.slideshare.net/mwessendorf >> mail: matzew-at-apache-dot-org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@... >> > > Craig L Russell > Architect, Sun Java Enterprise System http://java.sun.com/products/jdo > 408 276-5638 mailto:Craig.Russell@... > P.S. A good JDO? O, Gasp! > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@...
	Re: legal questsion by Roy T. Fielding :: Rate this Message: Reply to Author \| View Threaded \| Show Only this Message On Jul 7, 2008, at 7:50 AM, Werner Punz wrote: > Hello everyone, since the discussion on the myfaces devs list has > pointed me towards here a legal question. > I developed in my working time which I can dedicate to opensource > software a significant library, licensed under ASF 2.0 license. > It is an extension library to the myfaces tomahawk library. > Every single line of code of that lib is currently written by me. > I have committer rights to myfaces. > > The main issue is, that the library itself probably will end up as > separate myfaces subproject. > > The main issue is, is any incubation needed, or can the code just > be merged in. Or does a ip clearance/software grant has to be > performed upfront. The code was developed outside of the myfaces > repo, but the coderights, and licensing issues are in the clear! As far as Apache is concerned, if you wrote the software and know you have a right to license it to the ASF, then your existing CLA is sufficient -- you can just commit the code. Since you wrote it during "working time" (which I assume means that you were working for hire), then it is in your best interests to have the employer sign a software grant for this work. Whether or not that is necessary depends on your employment contract and locale. I take it that German copyright laws would apply in this instance, so you are in a better position to determine your rights than we are. If you do decide to just commit the code, then be sure to explain the copyright rationale in the commit log. The license is to the ASF as a whole, so where it is placed within myfaces doesn't matter for the legal terms (that should be decided by the myfaces PMC). ....Roy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@... For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@...