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by DColucci :: Rate this Message:

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now that I have Milan's attention...
 
I bought this very nice Anthony (GOC?) Eureka 4x5. 
 
 
 
It is quite nice and has some details that differ from Larry's Eureka here:
 
Like a nice beveled edge to the front face and only 5 joints compared to Larry's 6...plus other details I will bore you with later....
 
 
 
 
But alas, when it arrived, the lens adjustment screw is missing.  I would have expected some type of radial or tang drive - not one screw..... before a take it apart more, what type of screw is missing and how did it work ? some type of worm screw that would move the doublet ?  Detail shot
 
 
 
 
The next shot shows the front of the lens off with cap, push in stop (inserted) and friction fit retaining ring.
 
 




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RE: landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?

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Dan - nice camera - could it just be a push pull lens and the missing screw just locked it in place?

From: woodandbrass-bounces@... [woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of DColucci@... [DColucci@...]
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:34 PM
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Subject: [W&B] landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?

now that I have Milan's attention...
 
I bought this very nice Anthony (GOC?) Eureka 4x5. 
 
 
 
It is quite nice and has some details that differ from Larry's Eureka here:
 
Like a nice beveled edge to the front face and only 5 joints compared to Larry's 6...plus other details I will bore you with later....
 
 
 
 
But alas, when it arrived, the lens adjustment screw is missing.  I would have expected some type of radial or tang drive - not one screw..... before a take it apart more, what type of screw is missing and how did it work ? some type of worm screw that would move the doublet ?  Detail shot
 
 
 
 
The next shot shows the front of the lens off with cap, push in stop (inserted) and friction fit retaining ring.
 
 




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RE: landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?

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Dan,
 
Bob is probably correct; it's probably a locking screw for the slip-focus.
 
The lens is likely to be Darlot, so if you have a #2 Hemispherique Rapide somewhere, try swapping the locking screw:
 
If it fits,then it's probably metric, but very close to a NSF 10-32 which aren't all that easy to find either.
 
Regards,
 
mz
 
 
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Subject: [W&B] landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?

now that I have Milan's attention...
 
I bought this very nice Anthony (GOC?) Eureka 4x5. 
 
 
 
It is quite nice and has some details that differ from Larry's Eureka here:
 
Like a nice beveled edge to the front face and only 5 joints compared to Larry's 6...plus other details I will bore you with later....
 
 
 
 
But alas, when it arrived, the lens adjustment screw is missing.  I would have expected some type of radial or tang drive - not one screw..... before a take it apart more, what type of screw is missing and how did it work ? some type of worm screw that would move the doublet ?  Detail shot
 
 
 
 
The next shot shows the front of the lens off with cap, push in stop (inserted) and friction fit retaining ring.
 
 




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Re: landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?

by Dan Colucci :: Rate this Message:

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I don't think its a push - pull lens. You can see cuts in the close up as if a gear should turn it

Thanks

Dan
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From: Bob Kulinski <bkulinski@...>

Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:54:48
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Subject: RE: [W&B] landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?


Dan - nice camera - could it just be a push pull lens and the missing screw just locked it in place?
 
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 From: woodandbrass-bounces@... [woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of DColucci@... [DColucci@...]
 Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 2:34 PM
 To: woodandbrass@...
 Subject: [W&B] landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?
 
 
 
 
now that I have Milan's attention...
 
I bought this very nice Anthony (GOC?) Eureka 4x5. 
 
 
 
 
It is quite nice and has some details that differ from Larry's Eureka here:
http://www.fiberq.com/cam/anthony/eureka.htm <http://www.fiberq.com/cam/anthony/eureka.htm>
 
Like a nice beveled edge to the front face and only 5 joints compared to Larry's 6...plus other details I will bore you with later....
 
 
 
 
 
But alas, when it arrived, the lens adjustment screw is missing.  I would have expected some type of radial or tang drive - not one screw..... before a take it apart more, what type of screw is missing and how did it work ? some type of worm screw that would move the doublet ?  Detail shot
 
 
 
 
 
 
The next shot shows the front of the lens off with cap, push in stop (inserted) and friction fit retaining ring.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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RE: landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?

by Dan Colucci :: Rate this Message:

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 maybe its not gear cut....just cut to make it a bit pliable to allow the screw to press into the lens?

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Sent: Wed 1/23/2008 4:18 PM
To: 'Collectors of 19th Century Cameras &Photographica'
Subject: RE: [W&B] landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?


Dan,
 
Bob is probably correct; it's probably a locking screw for the slip-focus.
 
The lens is likely to be Darlot, so if you have a #2 Hemispherique Rapide somewhere, try swapping the locking screw:
 
 <https://webmail.thehearth.org/exchange/colucci/Drafts/RE:%20[W%26B]%20landscape%20lens%20with%20what%20type%20adjustment%20screw%20_x003F_.EML/1_multipart/Darlot-screw.jpg>
If it fits,then it's probably metric, but very close to a NSF 10-32 which aren't all that easy to find either.
 
Regards,
 
mz
 
 

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        From: woodandbrass-bounces@... [mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of DColucci@...
        Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:35 AM
        To: woodandbrass@...
        Subject: [W&B] landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?
       
       
       
        now that I have Milan's attention...
         
        I bought this very nice Anthony (GOC?) Eureka 4x5.
         <https://webmail.thehearth.org/exchange/colucci/Drafts/RE:%20[W%26B]%20landscape%20lens%20with%20what%20type%20adjustment%20screw%20_x003F_.EML/1_multipart/mz.jpg>
         
         
         
        It is quite nice and has some details that differ from Larry's Eureka here:
        http://www.fiberq.com/cam/anthony/eureka.htm
         
        Like a nice beveled edge to the front face and only 5 joints compared to Larry's 6...plus other details I will bore you with later....
         
         
         <https://webmail.thehearth.org/exchange/colucci/Drafts/RE:%20[W%26B]%20landscape%20lens%20with%20what%20type%20adjustment%20screw%20_x003F_.EML/1_multipart/mz5.jpg>
         
         
        But alas, when it arrived, the lens adjustment screw is missing.  I would have expected some type of radial or tang drive - not one screw..... before a take it apart more, what type of screw is missing and how did it work ? some type of worm screw that would move the doublet ?  Detail shot
         
         <https://webmail.thehearth.org/exchange/colucci/Drafts/RE:%20[W%26B]%20landscape%20lens%20with%20what%20type%20adjustment%20screw%20_x003F_.EML/1_multipart/mz1.jpg>
         
         <https://webmail.thehearth.org/exchange/colucci/Drafts/RE:%20[W%26B]%20landscape%20lens%20with%20what%20type%20adjustment%20screw%20_x003F_.EML/1_multipart/mz2.jpg>
         
         
        The next shot shows the front of the lens off with cap, push in stop (inserted) and friction fit retaining ring.
         
         
         <https://webmail.thehearth.org/exchange/colucci/Drafts/RE:%20[W%26B]%20landscape%20lens%20with%20what%20type%20adjustment%20screw%20_x003F_.EML/1_multipart/mz3.jpg>



       
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RE: landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?

by Milan Zahorcak* :: Rate this Message:

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Hmmm . . . are there two you, Dan?  
 
Have you tried to push or pull it?  The lens . . .
 
No doubt, the cuts are to form a flap which can be pressed against the inner
barrel.
 
mz
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Colucci [mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Dan
Colucci
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 1:52 PM
To: Collectors of 19th Century Cameras &Photographica
Subject: RE: [W&B] landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?


 maybe its not gear cut....just cut to make it a bit pliable to allow the
screw to press into the lens?

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From: woodandbrass-bounces@... on behalf of Milan Zahorcak
Sent: Wed 1/23/2008 4:18 PM
To: 'Collectors of 19th Century Cameras &Photographica'
Subject: RE: [W&B] landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?


Dan,
 
Bob is probably correct; it's probably a locking screw for the slip-focus.
 
The lens is likely to be Darlot, so if you have a #2 Hemispherique Rapide
somewhere, try swapping the locking screw:
 
 
<https://webmail.thehearth.org/exchange/colucci/Drafts/RE:%20[W%26B]%20lands
cape%20lens%20with%20what%20type%20adjustment%20screw%20_x003F_.EML/1_multip
art/Darlot-screw.jpg>
If it fits,then it's probably metric, but very close to a NSF 10-32 which
aren't all that easy to find either.
 
Regards,
 
mz
 
 

-----Original Message-----
From: woodandbrass-bounces@... [mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...]
On Behalf Of DColucci@...
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:35 AM
To: woodandbrass@...
Subject: [W&B] landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?



now that I have Milan's attention...
 
I bought this very nice Anthony (GOC?) Eureka 4x5.
 
<https://webmail.thehearth.org/exchange/colucci/Drafts/RE:%20[W%26B]%20lands
cape%20lens%20with%20what%20type%20adjustment%20screw%20_x003F_.EML/1_multip
art/mz.jpg>
 
 
 
It is quite nice and has some details that differ from Larry's Eureka here:
http://www.fiberq.com/cam/anthony/eureka.htm
 
Like a nice beveled edge to the front face and only 5 joints compared to
Larry's 6...plus other details I will bore you with later....
 
 
 
<https://webmail.thehearth.org/exchange/colucci/Drafts/RE:%20[W%26B]%20lands
cape%20lens%20with%20what%20type%20adjustment%20screw%20_x003F_.EML/1_multip
art/mz5.jpg>
 
 
But alas, when it arrived, the lens adjustment screw is missing.  I would
have expected some type of radial or tang drive - not one screw..... before
a take it apart more, what type of screw is missing and how did it work ?
some type of worm screw that would move the doublet ?  Detail shot
 
 
<https://webmail.thehearth.org/exchange/colucci/Drafts/RE:%20[W%26B]%20lands
cape%20lens%20with%20what%20type%20adjustment%20screw%20_x003F_.EML/1_multip
art/mz1.jpg>
 
 
<https://webmail.thehearth.org/exchange/colucci/Drafts/RE:%20[W%26B]%20lands
cape%20lens%20with%20what%20type%20adjustment%20screw%20_x003F_.EML/1_multip
art/mz2.jpg>
 
 
The next shot shows the front of the lens off with cap, push in stop
(inserted) and friction fit retaining ring.
 
 
 
<https://webmail.thehearth.org/exchange/colucci/Drafts/RE:%20[W%26B]%20lands
cape%20lens%20with%20what%20type%20adjustment%20screw%20_x003F_.EML/1_multip
art/mz3.jpg>




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I havent pulled it yet, the lens that is....but the night is young......
 
Here is the Centerfold shot
 
 




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Ok, you guys were correct - push/pull lens missing a small threaded thumb screw to secure lens.
 
Ok, so here is my next issue with this camera.  The lens is about 6+ inch in focal length and even with the lens extended, the bellows barely allows infinity focusing.  Lens is a bit too long a focal length for this camera... 
 
Here is my hunch about this camera.  Camera was found without a lens....collector finds "appropriate" lens to mount and drills a new hole to mount it. Camera was from Dale Laubaum's collection.  The issue now ( for people with OCD ) is to mount a more proper lens that actually works on the camera  but this lens left a large hole.... suggestions ?
 
 
 
 
now that I have Milan's attention...
 
I bought this very nice Anthony (GOC?) Eureka 4x5. 
 
 
 
It is quite nice and has some details that differ from Larry's Eureka here:
 
Like a nice beveled edge to the front face and only 5 joints compared to Larry's 6...plus other details I will bore you with later....
 
 
 
 
But alas, when it arrived, the lens adjustment screw is missing.  I would have expected some type of radial or tang drive - not one screw..... before a take it apart more, what type of screw is missing and how did it work ? some type of worm screw that would move the doublet ?  Detail shot
 
 
 
 
The next shot shows the front of the lens off with cap, push in stop (inserted) and friction fit retaining ring.
 
 

 




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RE: Re: landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?

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It happens.  Landscape lenses tend to run long.
 
What's the draw from the plane of flange to the plane of the GG at full extension?
 
mz
 
 
-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:36 AM
To: woodandbrass@...
Subject: [W&B] Re: landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?

Ok, you guys were correct - push/pull lens missing a small threaded thumb screw to secure lens.
 
Ok, so here is my next issue with this camera.  The lens is about 6+ inch in focal length and even with the lens extended, the bellows barely allows infinity focusing.  Lens is a bit too long a focal length for this camera... 
 
Here is my hunch about this camera.  Camera was found without a lens....collector finds "appropriate" lens to mount and drills a new hole to mount it. Camera was from Dale Laubaum's collection.  The issue now ( for people with OCD ) is to mount a more proper lens that actually works on the camera  but this lens left a large hole.... suggestions ?
 
 
 
 
now that I have Milan's attention...
 
I bought this very nice Anthony (GOC?) Eureka 4x5. 
 
 
 
It is quite nice and has some details that differ from Larry's Eureka here:
 
Like a nice beveled edge to the front face and only 5 joints compared to Larry's 6...plus other details I will bore you with later....
 
 
 
 
But alas, when it arrived, the lens adjustment screw is missing.  I would have expected some type of radial or tang drive - not one screw..... before a take it apart more, what type of screw is missing and how did it work ? some type of worm screw that would move the doublet ?  Detail shot
 
 
 
 
The next shot shows the front of the lens off with cap, push in stop (inserted) and friction fit retaining ring.
 
 

 




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RE: Re: landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?

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it depends on how much I am willing to stretch the bellows, but roughly 7 inches


From: woodandbrass-bounces@... [mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Milan Zahorcak
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:46 AM
To: 'Collectors of 19th Century Cameras &amp;Photographica'
Subject: RE: [W&B] Re: landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?

It happens.  Landscape lenses tend to run long.
 
What's the draw from the plane of flange to the plane of the GG at full extension?
 
mz
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: woodandbrass-bounces@... [mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of DColucci@...
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:36 AM
To: woodandbrass@...
Subject: [W&B] Re: landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?

Ok, you guys were correct - push/pull lens missing a small threaded thumb screw to secure lens.
 
Ok, so here is my next issue with this camera.  The lens is about 6+ inch in focal length and even with the lens extended, the bellows barely allows infinity focusing.  Lens is a bit too long a focal length for this camera... 
 
Here is my hunch about this camera.  Camera was found without a lens....collector finds "appropriate" lens to mount and drills a new hole to mount it. Camera was from Dale Laubaum's collection.  The issue now ( for people with OCD ) is to mount a more proper lens that actually works on the camera  but this lens left a large hole.... suggestions ?
 
 
 
 
now that I have Milan's attention...
 
I bought this very nice Anthony (GOC?) Eureka 4x5. 
 
 
 
It is quite nice and has some details that differ from Larry's Eureka here:
 
Like a nice beveled edge to the front face and only 5 joints compared to Larry's 6...plus other details I will bore you with later....
 
 
 
 
But alas, when it arrived, the lens adjustment screw is missing.  I would have expected some type of radial or tang drive - not one screw..... before a take it apart more, what type of screw is missing and how did it work ? some type of worm screw that would move the doublet ?  Detail shot
 
 
 
 
The next shot shows the front of the lens off with cap, push in stop (inserted) and friction fit retaining ring.
 
 

 




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RE: Re: landscape lens fitting

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On the smaller cameras, the landscape was invariably the longest lens, and often the one most commonly found, as the smaller formats were generally the less-expensive amateur models.  But the maker wouldn't expect you to have the bellows at full stretch.
 
Infinity has the shortest draw and you'd need say another 1" or so for closer work.  So let's back into an infinity draw.  Assume that you have a max of 7" to work with, back off 1" for simple slack, 1" for near focus, that means your "regular" lens would only have about 5" of back focus to cover a 4x5 at infinity - frankly that doesn't sound like a landscape lens to me. 
 
In theory you need about a 6.5" lens to cover a 4x5.  So it sounds like the lens you have might be for 4x5, but on a camera with more draw.
 
On this camera, maybe an RR lens? . . . but those would be much smaller and then you run into the size of the existing hole.  I've got some flanges that have associated step-down rings - those are rarely seen, but are quite clever.
 
What is the length of the camera from the front of the front panel to the end of the rail?  How big is the hole?
 
mz
 
 
 
 
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From: woodandbrass-bounces@... [mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Dan Colucci
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 6:52 AM
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Subject: RE: [W&B] Re: landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?

it depends on how much I am willing to stretch the bellows, but roughly 7 inches


From: woodandbrass-bounces@... [mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Milan Zahorcak
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 9:46 AM
To: 'Collectors of 19th Century Cameras &amp;Photographica'
Subject: RE: [W&B] Re: landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?

It happens.  Landscape lenses tend to run long.
 
What's the draw from the plane of flange to the plane of the GG at full extension?
 
mz
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: woodandbrass-bounces@... [mailto:woodandbrass-bounces@...] On Behalf Of DColucci@...
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 2:36 AM
To: woodandbrass@...
Subject: [W&B] Re: landscape lens with what type adjustment screw ?

Ok, you guys were correct - push/pull lens missing a small threaded thumb screw to secure lens.
 
Ok, so here is my next issue with this camera.  The lens is about 6+ inch in focal length and even with the lens extended, the bellows barely allows infinity focusing.  Lens is a bit too long a focal length for this camera... 
 
Here is my hunch about this camera.  Camera was found without a lens....collector finds "appropriate" lens to mount and drills a new hole to mount it. Camera was from Dale Laubaum's collection.  The issue now ( for people with OCD ) is to mount a more proper lens that actually works on the camera  but this lens left a large hole.... suggestions ?
 
 
 
 
now that I have Milan's attention...
 
I bought this very nice Anthony (GOC?) Eureka 4x5. 
 
 
 
It is quite nice and has some details that differ from Larry's Eureka here:
 
Like a nice beveled edge to the front face and only 5 joints compared to Larry's 6...plus other details I will bore you with later....
 
 
 
 
But alas, when it arrived, the lens adjustment screw is missing.  I would have expected some type of radial or tang drive - not one screw..... before a take it apart more, what type of screw is missing and how did it work ? some type of worm screw that would move the doublet ?  Detail shot
 
 
 
 
The next shot shows the front of the lens off with cap, push in stop (inserted) and friction fit retaining ring.
 
 

 




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