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distributing squeak on a network
by Bill Kerr
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What is a good way to distribute squeak on a network (Windows network at my school) ?
From my understanding there is no option but to give each student their own personal image file but the sources and changes files could be left out. http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/07/image-file-virtual-machine-bytecodes.html If I was going to give students both Bots and Squeak then this would result in quite large student folders, the image files range b/w 15 and 20 MB. But I don't see any alternative. With Bots I get prompts about missing sources and changes files if I try to launch it outside of its folder, but it then goes ahead and loads anyway I'll attach some file folders so people can refer to them in an answer, if necessary: BOTS (file sizes in KB unless otherwise specified) .DS_Store 7 Bots.exe 1053 Bots.ini 1 luth.frm 13 Ready.changes 16747 Ready.image 14841 spider.frm 18 Squeak.ini 1 SqueakV3.sources 14202 ETOYS IMAGE AND PR etoys.image 19609 DemonCastle1.pr 582 Launcher.pr 210 Welcome.pr 385 ExampleEtoys (folder) 6.44 MB SQUEAK 3.8 Squeak.exe 1053 Squeak3.8-6665full.image 17969 Squeak3.8-6665full.changes 13878 SqueakV3.sources 14202 Squeak.ini 1 SqueakFFIPrims.dll 30 windows folder SqueakPluginInstaller.exe 6325 cheers, - Bill -- Bill Kerr http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@... http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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Re: distributing squeak on a network
by Eric Eisaman
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Good Day Bill,
I use Squeak routinely in my high school physics classes and haven't had any problems with the kids simply running from the same shared folder on a common drive of our school LAN. Of course I haven't had them use bots inc. so I can't comment on that however, I have had them refer to your Etoys Pong tutorial as a guide in constructing their own version.
I'm only half way through the Squeak by Example book by A.P. Black, S. Ducasse, O. Nierstrasz, and D. Pollet with D. Cassou and M. Denker; yet I have gained enough confidence to plan a few lessons for all my students to program from the system browser and debugger and save their programs as Monticello packages. Perhaps when I implement these lessons I will incur technical difficulties due to conflicting change sets or something however, I plan to instruct the students not to save their images but simply to save their work as Monticello packages in the package cache and online at SqueakSource.
Regards,
Eric Eisaman
On Dec 10, 2007 5:50 PM, Bill Kerr <billkerr@...> wrote: What is a good way to distribute squeak on a network (Windows network at my school) ? _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@... http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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Re: distributing squeak on a network
by Karl-19
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Bill Kerr wrote:
> What is a good way to distribute squeak on a network (Windows network > at my school) ? > > From my understanding there is no option but to give each student > their own personal image file but the sources and changes files could > be left out. > http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/07/image-file-virtual-machine-bytecodes.html > > If I was going to give students both Bots and Squeak then this would > result in quite large student folders, the image files range b/w 15 > and 20 MB. But I don't see any alternative. > > With Bots I get prompts about missing sources and changes files if I > try to launch it outside of its folder, but it then goes ahead and > loads anyway Stephane is building a bundle for the XO machine with BotsInc. It would be great if we could make bundles work outside the XO platform so we could distribute projects as double clickable starting points Karl > > I'll attach some file folders so people can refer to them in an > answer, if necessary: > > BOTS (file sizes in KB unless otherwise specified) > > .DS_Store 7 > Bots.exe 1053 > Bots.ini 1 > luth.frm 13 > Ready.changes 16747 > Ready.image 14841 > spider.frm 18 > Squeak.ini 1 > SqueakV3.sources 14202 > > > ETOYS IMAGE AND PR > > etoys.image 19609 > DemonCastle1.pr 582 > Launcher.pr <http://Launcher.pr> 210 > Welcome.pr <http://Welcome.pr> 385 > ExampleEtoys (folder) 6.44 MB > > > SQUEAK 3.8 > > Squeak.exe 1053 > Squeak3.8-6665full.image 17969 > Squeak3.8-6665full.changes 13878 > SqueakV3.sources 14202 > Squeak.ini 1 > SqueakFFIPrims.dll 30 > windows folder > SqueakPluginInstaller.exe 6325 > > > cheers, > - Bill > -- > Bill Kerr > http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@... > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@... http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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Re: distributing squeak on a network
by Bert Freudenberg
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On Dec 11, 2007, at 3:06 , karl wrote:
> Bots can be loaded as a project and is around 200k. > Stephane is building a bundle for the XO machine with BotsInc. It > would > be great if we could make bundles work outside the XO platform so we > could distribute projects as double clickable starting points Well, the .xo bundles only really make sense on the OLPC platform. The cross-platform format would still be projects (.pr files). Even on the XO you can simply click a .pr to launch it. - Bert - _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@... http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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Re: distributing squeak on a network
by Bert Freudenberg
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On Dec 10, 2007, at 13:35 , Bill Kerr wrote:
> What is a good way to distribute squeak on a network (Windows > network at my school) ? > > From my understanding there is no option but to give each student > their own personal image file but the sources and changes files > could be left out. > http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/2007/07/image-file-virtual-machine- > bytecodes.html > > If I was going to give students both Bots and Squeak then this > would result in quite large student folders, the image files range > b/w 15 and 20 MB. But I don't see any alternative. Well, as long as you do not need students to be able to save their own images, a single copy on the server should work quite well. You just need to fiddle with the squeak.ini file so everyone gets their own UserDirectory for storing projects and SecureDirectory for the project signing keys: http://www.squeakvm.org/win32/settings.html And as Karl wrote, Stef prepared a version of BotsInc that works on the OLPC etoys image, so you would only need one image, changes, and sources file. - Bert - > With Bots I get prompts about missing sources and changes files if > I try to launch it outside of its folder, but it then goes ahead > and loads anyway > > I'll attach some file folders so people can refer to them in an > answer, if necessary: > > BOTS (file sizes in KB unless otherwise specified) > > .DS_Store 7 > Bots.exe 1053 > Bots.ini 1 > luth.frm 13 > Ready.changes 16747 > Ready.image 14841 > spider.frm 18 > Squeak.ini 1 > SqueakV3.sources 14202 > > > ETOYS IMAGE AND PR > > etoys.image 19609 > DemonCastle1.pr 582 > Launcher.pr 210 > Welcome.pr 385 > ExampleEtoys (folder) 6.44 MB > > > SQUEAK 3.8 > > Squeak.exe 1053 > Squeak3.8-6665full.image 17969 > Squeak3.8-6665full.changes 13878 > SqueakV3.sources 14202 > Squeak.ini 1 > SqueakFFIPrims.dll 30 > windows folder > SqueakPluginInstaller.exe 6325 > > > cheers, > - Bill > -- > Bill Kerr > http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@... http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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Re: [Etoys] distributing squeak on a network
by Karl-19
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Bert Freudenberg wrote:
> On Dec 11, 2007, at 3:06 , karl wrote: > >> Bots can be loaded as a project and is around 200k. >> Stephane is building a bundle for the XO machine with BotsInc. It >> would >> be great if we could make bundles work outside the XO platform so we >> could distribute projects as double clickable starting points >> > > Well, the .xo bundles only really make sense on the OLPC platform. > > The cross-platform format would still be projects (.pr files). Even > on the XO you can simply click a .pr to launch it. platforms as well. Karl _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@... http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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Re: distributing squeak on a network
by Bill Kerr
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On Dec 12, 2007 6:23 PM, Bert Freudenberg <bert@...> wrote:
And as Karl wrote, Stef prepared a version of BotsInc that works on When will the BotsInc image that works on OLPC etoys be ready? -- Bill Kerr http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@... http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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Re: Re: [Etoys] distributing squeak on a network
by Alan Kay-4
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It used to work on all platforms ...
Cheers, Alan --------- At 01:21 AM 12/12/2007, Karl wrote: >Bert Freudenberg wrote: >>On Dec 11, 2007, at 3:06 , karl wrote: >> >>>Bots can be loaded as a project and is around 200k. >>>Stephane is building a bundle for the XO machine with BotsInc. It >>>would >>>be great if we could make bundles work outside the XO platform so we >>>could distribute projects as double clickable starting points >>> >> >>Well, the .xo bundles only really make sense on the OLPC platform. >> >>The cross-platform format would still be projects (.pr files). Even >>on the XO you can simply click a .pr to launch it. >Ok, so double clicking on a project could be made work on other >platforms as well. > >Karl > >_______________________________________________ >Squeakland mailing list >Squeakland@... >http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@... http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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Re: Re: [Etoys] distributing squeak on a network
by Karl-19
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Alan Kay wrote:
> It used to work on all platforms ... > > Cheers, > > Alan Hm, maybe it still does, on machines with just one image file present... My machines tend have quite a few and that can confuse the VM which to pick ?? I have not looked into this very much ;-) Karl > > --------- > > At 01:21 AM 12/12/2007, Karl wrote: >> Bert Freudenberg wrote: >>> On Dec 11, 2007, at 3:06 , karl wrote: >>> >>>> Bots can be loaded as a project and is around 200k. >>>> Stephane is building a bundle for the XO machine with BotsInc. It >>>> would >>>> be great if we could make bundles work outside the XO platform so we >>>> could distribute projects as double clickable starting points >>>> >>> >>> Well, the .xo bundles only really make sense on the OLPC platform. >>> >>> The cross-platform format would still be projects (.pr files). Even >>> on the XO you can simply click a .pr to launch it. >> Ok, so double clicking on a project could be made work on other >> platforms as well. >> >> Karl >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Squeakland mailing list >> Squeakland@... >> http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland > > _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@... http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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Re: distributing squeak on a network
by stéphane ducasse-2
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Hi bill
I'm not sure that my other emails reach you If you need urgently BotsInc there is a OLPC compatible version. I sent around. Here it is. I'm currently trying to get some time to produce an xo bundle. based on it. It does not inlcude shout related facility for the code coloring, On 12 déc. 07, at 12:25, Bill Kerr wrote: > On Dec 12, 2007 6:23 PM, Bert Freudenberg <bert@...> > wrote: > > And as Karl wrote, Stef prepared a version of BotsInc that works on > the OLPC etoys image, so you would only need one image, changes, and > sources file. > > thanks for useful responses Eric, Karl, Bert, > > When will the BotsInc image that works on OLPC etoys be ready? > > -- > Bill Kerr > http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/ > > _______________________________________________ > Squeakland mailing list > Squeakland@... > http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@... http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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Re: distributing squeak on a network
by Bill Kerr
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On Dec 12, 2007 6:23 PM, Bert Freudenberg <bert@...> wrote:
Fiddling with the squeak.ini or bots.ini file doesn't seem to change anything squeak seems to ignore [Security] UserDirectory=C:\botsFiles in squeak.ini and just defaults to "C:\My Squeak\%USERNAME%" so you stuck with that directory for saving in (which won't be acceptable at my school) All the *.ini files I have looked at in squeak / bots distributions don't have a UserDirectory line in them try pasting into the transcript SecurityManager default untrustedUserDirectory and using printIt --> squeak seems to ignore [Security] UserDirectory=C:\botsFiles in squeak.ini try pasting into the transcript SecurityManager default untrustedUserDirectory and using printIt --> 'C:\My Squeak\user' or SecurityManager default secureUserDirectory then printit --> 'C:\Program Files\Squeak\Plugin\user' So, is it possible to run bots on a network off the one image so that users can only save their scripts? What are other people using bots in schools with networks actually doing? -- Bill Kerr http://billkerr2.blogspot.com/ _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@... http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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Re: distributing squeak on a network
by Bert Freudenberg
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On Jan 21, 2008, at 13:33 , Bill Kerr wrote:
> On Dec 12, 2007 6:23 PM, Bert Freudenberg <bert@...> > wrote: >> You >> just need to fiddle with the squeak.ini file so everyone gets their >> own UserDirectory for storing projects and SecureDirectory for the >> project signing keys: > > Fiddling with the squeak.ini or bots.ini file doesn't seem to > change anything > > squeak seems to ignore > [Security] > UserDirectory=C:\botsFiles > in squeak.ini > > and just defaults to > > "C:\My Squeak\%USERNAME%" > > so you stuck with that directory for saving in (which won't be > acceptable at my school) What VM version are you running? This should definitely work - please try the latest: http://www.squeakvm.org/win32/ - Bert - _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@... http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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Re: distributing squeak on a network
by Bill Kerr
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On Jan 22, 2008 12:24 AM, Bert Freudenberg <bert@...> wrote:
hi bert, adding this to the ini file: [Security] UserDirectory=C:\botsFiles For squeak3.9 it does offer me and make an etoy it does offer me my designated C:\botsFiles folder as an option which I can choose. It also automatically sets up a Squeaklets folder as a subdirectory and then if I click the save button will save to both folders My problem is with bots when trying to save the scripts only to a designated folder bot workspace context menu > save contents I can't get it to save automatically to the designated folder - I have to type in the path eg. C:\botsFiles\square Changing the ini file doesn't help for this case I tried dropping in later versions of the VM into the bots folder but that didn't work either - Bill _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@... http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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Re: distributing squeak on a network
by Bert Freudenberg
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On Jan 21, 2008, at 23:30 , Bill Kerr wrote:
> hi bert, > > adding this to the ini file: > [Security] > UserDirectory=C:\botsFiles > > For squeak3.9 it does offer me and make an etoy it does offer me my > designated C:\botsFiles folder as an option which I can choose. It > also automatically sets up a Squeaklets folder as a subdirectory > and then if I click the save button will save to both folders > > My problem is with bots when trying to save the scripts only to a > designated folder > > bot workspace context menu > save contents > > I can't get it to save automatically to the designated folder - I > have to type in the path > eg. C:\botsFiles\square > > Changing the ini file doesn't help for this case > > I tried dropping in later versions of the VM into the bots folder > but that didn't work either Well probably Bots Inc is not paying attention to the user directory setting. Maybe simply enabling the startupInUntrustedDirectory preference is enough to make it work? - Bert - _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@... http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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Re: distributing squeak on a network
by stéphane ducasse-2
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> > > Well probably Bots Inc is not paying attention to the user directory > setting. certainly. I was not aware of that concept Stef > Maybe simply enabling the startupInUntrustedDirectory preference is > enough to make it work? > > - Bert - > > _______________________________________________ Squeakland mailing list Squeakland@... http://squeakland.org/mailman/listinfo/squeakland |
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Re: distributing squeak on a network
by Bill Kerr
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hi stef,
what I'm asking is what do people who use bots in schools on networks do? - give users the image? - run it off one image and save scripts to user directory by typing in a path? - other possibilities? cheers, - Bill On Jan 22, 2008 8:04 PM, stéphane ducasse <ducasse@...> wrote:
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Re: distributing squeak on a network
by Bill Kerr
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On Jan 22, 2008 9:56 AM, Bert Freudenberg <bert@...> wrote:
thanks Bert, with the help of a friend (Paul) I have this working now To set startupInUntrustedDirectory preference in botsInc smalltalk image bring up the world menu (middle click on world/desktop - click on red menu halo) click on desktop menu... click on help ... click on preferences... click on security category up the top (blue background) check box startInUntrustedDirectory now open ----- file. |
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