del.icio.us censoring: not showing "saved by X other people", not on /popular..

[warlingham]

Hello!

I've come across an interesting example of blocking / censorship on
del.icio.us.

I started a site yesterday and someone (not me) first bookmarked it on
del.icio.us just over 24 hours ago. It was then linked on prominent
blogs and YCombinator News and 86 other people bookmarked it (all
natural, no-one was asked). Despite this, on all users pages of people
who bookmarked it, and on tag pages it exists on, there are no "saved
by X other people" links.

This level of bookmarking would typically put a link into /popular, or
at least the popular page for its main tag (/popular/ruby in this
case), but since del.icio.us is failing to note the "saved by X other
people" though, it's not making it there.

What makes it all a bit suspicious is that I went to del.icio.us/url
and entered the URL manually. Ta-da, I can see the number of people
who bookmarked it. That page is here:

http://del.icio.us/url/a28d36b3f289c39be53aeef14fcca474

So if del.icio.us is engaging in censoring / blocking of certain URLs
(assuming this isn't a bug), why and how? What are the criteria? Is it
because the domain name for the site is so newly registered, for example?

Cheers,
Peter Cooper
http://www.petercooper.co.uk/

[Toby Elliott]

We're not censoring it. I don't know why it isn't showing up (well,  
technically I do, but I don't know what's causing that) and we're  
looking into the problem. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.

Regards,
Toby Elliott
del.icio.us


On Apr 11, 2008, at 8:43 AM, warlingham wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I've come across an interesting example of blocking / censorship on
> del.icio.us.
>
> I started a site yesterday and someone (not me) first bookmarked it on
> del.icio.us just over 24 hours ago. It was then linked on prominent
> blogs and YCombinator News and 86 other people bookmarked it (all
> natural, no-one was asked). Despite this, on all users pages of people
> who bookmarked it, and on tag pages it exists on, there are no "saved
> by X other people" links.
>
> This level of bookmarking would typically put a link into /popular, or
> at least the popular page for its main tag (/popular/ruby in this
> case), but since del.icio.us is failing to note the "saved by X other
> people" though, it's not making it there.
>
> What makes it all a bit suspicious is that I went to del.icio.us/url
> and entered the URL manually. Ta-da, I can see the number of people
> who bookmarked it. That page is here:
>
> http://del.icio.us/url/a28d36b3f289c39be53aeef14fcca474
>
> So if del.icio.us is engaging in censoring / blocking of certain URLs
> (assuming this isn't a bug), why and how? What are the criteria? Is it
> because the domain name for the site is so newly registered, for  
> example?
>
> Cheers,
> Peter Cooper
> http://www.petercooper.co.uk/
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

[Joshua Schachter-3]

Yeah, this is definitely a strange bug -- I can't see any reason this
wouldn't show up.

Joshua

-----Original Message-----
From: ydn-delicious@...
[mailto:ydn-delicious@...] On Behalf Of warlingham
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 8:44 AM
To: ydn-delicious@...
Subject: [ydn-delicious] del.icio.us censoring: not showing "saved by X
other people", not on /popular..

Hello!

I've come across an interesting example of blocking / censorship on
del.icio.us.

I started a site yesterday and someone (not me) first bookmarked it on
del.icio.us just over 24 hours ago. It was then linked on prominent
blogs and YCombinator News and 86 other people bookmarked it (all
natural, no-one was asked). Despite this, on all users pages of people
who bookmarked it, and on tag pages it exists on, there are no "saved by
X other people" links.

This level of bookmarking would typically put a link into /popular, or
at least the popular page for its main tag (/popular/ruby in this case),
but since del.icio.us is failing to note the "saved by X other people"
though, it's not making it there.

What makes it all a bit suspicious is that I went to del.icio.us/url and
entered the URL manually. Ta-da, I can see the number of people who
bookmarked it. That page is here:

http://del.icio.us/url/a28d36b3f289c39be53aeef14fcca474

So if del.icio.us is engaging in censoring / blocking of certain URLs
(assuming this isn't a bug), why and how? What are the criteria? Is it
because the domain name for the site is so newly registered, for
example?

Cheers,
Peter Cooper
http://www.petercooper.co.uk/


------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

[Joshua Schachter-3]

For some reason, some URLs are not having the public-save-count updated
properly, which is one (important) factor for making it onto the popular
list. Since it seems to be missing the algorithm skips it, for some
reason.

Toby is looking into why the updates are going through.

Joshua

-----Original Message-----
From: ydn-delicious@...
[mailto:ydn-delicious@...] On Behalf Of warlingham
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 8:44 AM
To: ydn-delicious@...
Subject: [ydn-delicious] del.icio.us censoring: not showing "saved by X
other people", not on /popular..

Hello!

I've come across an interesting example of blocking / censorship on
del.icio.us.

I started a site yesterday and someone (not me) first bookmarked it on
del.icio.us just over 24 hours ago. It was then linked on prominent
blogs and YCombinator News and 86 other people bookmarked it (all
natural, no-one was asked). Despite this, on all users pages of people
who bookmarked it, and on tag pages it exists on, there are no "saved by
X other people" links.

This level of bookmarking would typically put a link into /popular, or
at least the popular page for its main tag (/popular/ruby in this case),
but since del.icio.us is failing to note the "saved by X other people"
though, it's not making it there.

What makes it all a bit suspicious is that I went to del.icio.us/url and
entered the URL manually. Ta-da, I can see the number of people who
bookmarked it. That page is here:

http://del.icio.us/url/a28d36b3f289c39be53aeef14fcca474

So if del.icio.us is engaging in censoring / blocking of certain URLs
(assuming this isn't a bug), why and how? What are the criteria? Is it
because the domain name for the site is so newly registered, for
example?

Cheers,
Peter Cooper
http://www.petercooper.co.uk/


------------------------------------

Yahoo! Groups Links

[warlingham]

Thanks for the responses, guys, much appreciated! When I raised this
with some other people on Twitter, the general consensus was that
implicit filtering (that would behave in the same way as this bug!)
could actually be useful for very young domains / spam.. so if ever
you fancy turning a bug into a feature.. ;-)

Anyway, thanks for the info. Good luck!

Cheers,
Peter Cooper

[Toby Elliott]

If you check http://del.icio.us/popular/ruby, you'll see your page  
showing up now. There is a small underlying issue affecting a few  
webpages that we're continuing to explore, as it's a very strange one.

Regards,
Toby Elliott
del.icio.us


On Apr 11, 2008, at 11:22 AM, warlingham wrote:

> Thanks for the responses, guys, much appreciated! When I raised this
> with some other people on Twitter, the general consensus was that
> implicit filtering (that would behave in the same way as this bug!)
> could actually be useful for very young domains / spam.. so if ever
> you fancy turning a bug into a feature.. ;-)
>
> Anyway, thanks for the info. Good luck!
>
> Cheers,
> Peter Cooper
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]