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Okay, this has been going on for a while now-- forums have threads fifteen pages long, and no one seems to be able to get this printer working correctly, even though it is labeled as fully supported under Gutenprint. When I plug it in with Ubuntu 8.04, it is automatically recognized and setup with the gutenprint cx8400 ppd. However, any attempt to print results in a bunch of spit out pages, sometimes with strange characters on the top line. The printer sort of works when configured as a cx3800, though it prints in a strange manner-- the alignment is far off, and the heads move rapidly back and forth in short bursts to do lines of text. The cx5800 driver works better, but colors are way off, and alignment is still not perfect.

Clearly, the printer is fully capable of working on Linux systems, with some adjustments. What can we do? I am willing to test, and from what I see, the cx8400 ppd simply needs some adjustment-- or the cx5800.

Thanks,
Andrew Kahn

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Re: cx8400 driver invalid

by Robert Krawitz-2 :: Rate this Message:

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   Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:34:42 -0700
   From: "Andrew Kahn" <andrewkahn123@...>

   Okay, this has been going on for a while now-- forums have threads
   fifteen pages long, and no one seems to be able to get this printer
   working correctly, even though it is labeled as fully supported
   under Gutenprint.  When I plug it in with Ubuntu 8.04, it is
   automatically recognized and setup with the gutenprint cx8400
   ppd. However, any attempt to print results in a bunch of spit out
   pages, sometimes with strange characters on the top line.  The
   printer sort of works when configured as a cx3800, though it prints
   in a strange manner-- the alignment is far off, and the heads move
   rapidly back and forth in short bursts to do lines of text. The
   cx5800 driver works better, but colors are way off, and alignment
   is still not perfect.

Until I can actually get my hands on a CX8400 -- or someone else steps
up to fix it (which will be a lot easier in the next beta release),
this won't get fixed.

What does "alignment far off" really mean?  In what way are the colors
off?

   Clearly, the printer is fully capable of working on Linux systems,
   with some adjustments. What can we do? I am willing to test, and
   from what I see, the cx8400 ppd simply needs some adjustment-- or
   the cx5800.

It isn't the PPD file; it's the printer definition that needs to be
fixed.  The next release will have the printer definitions as a
collection of XML files rather than

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Re: cx8400 driver invalid

by Robert Krawitz-2 :: Rate this Message:

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   Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:34:42 -0700
   From: "Andrew Kahn" <andrewkahn123@...>

   Okay, this has been going on for a while now-- forums have threads
   fifteen pages long, and no one seems to be able to get this printer
   working correctly, even though it is labeled as fully supported
   under Gutenprint.  When I plug it in with Ubuntu 8.04, it is
   automatically recognized and setup with the gutenprint cx8400
   ppd. However, any attempt to print results in a bunch of spit out
   pages, sometimes with strange characters on the top line.  The
   printer sort of works when configured as a cx3800, though it prints
   in a strange manner-- the alignment is far off, and the heads move
   rapidly back and forth in short bursts to do lines of text. The
   cx5800 driver works better, but colors are way off, and alignment
   is still not perfect.

Can you try printing a test page -- either by means of escputil -n, if
that works, or by holding down the paper feed button while turning the
printer on, if that doesn't work -- and sending me a high resolution
scan of the output?  That might help me solve this problem.
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Re: cx8400 driver invalid

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Unfortunately I am not the best test subject because my printer currently has dye ink rather than the standard Epson pigment (so some colors mix incorrectly), but I'll do a test in Windows and Linux, and send you the scan hopefully by tonight.

I cannot send any sort of print whatsoever under the cx8400 driver, so I'll do the test print under the 5800. By off-alignment... well, you'll see. ;)

Thanks,
Andrew Kahn

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Robert Krawitz <rlk@...> wrote:
  Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:34:42 -0700
  From: "Andrew Kahn" <andrewkahn123@...>

  Okay, this has been going on for a while now-- forums have threads
  fifteen pages long, and no one seems to be able to get this printer
  working correctly, even though it is labeled as fully supported
  under Gutenprint.  When I plug it in with Ubuntu 8.04, it is
  automatically recognized and setup with the gutenprint cx8400
  ppd. However, any attempt to print results in a bunch of spit out
  pages, sometimes with strange characters on the top line.  The
  printer sort of works when configured as a cx3800, though it prints
  in a strange manner-- the alignment is far off, and the heads move
  rapidly back and forth in short bursts to do lines of text. The
  cx5800 driver works better, but colors are way off, and alignment
  is still not perfect.

Can you try printing a test page -- either by means of escputil -n, if
that works, or by holding down the paper feed button while turning the
printer on, if that doesn't work -- and sending me a high resolution
scan of the output?  That might help me solve this problem.
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Re: cx8400 driver invalid

by Robert Krawitz-2 :: Rate this Message:

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   Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:41:56 -0700
   From: "Andrew Kahn" <andrewkahn123@...>

   Unfortunately I am not the best test subject because my printer
   currently has dye ink rather than the standard Epson pigment (so
   some colors mix incorrectly), but I'll do a test in Windows and
   Linux, and send you the scan hopefully by tonight.

   I cannot send any sort of print whatsoever under the cx8400 driver,
   so I'll do the test print under the 5800. By off-alignment... well,
   you'll see. ;)

For this specific test, you don't need to do it under Windows at all
-- it prints the internal test page.  I just want to see what the
pattern looks like; it hopefully will give me the answer.

   On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Robert Krawitz <rlk@...> wrote:

   >   Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:34:42 -0700
   >   From: "Andrew Kahn" <andrewkahn123@...>
   >
   >    Okay, this has been going on for a while now-- forums have threads
   >   fifteen pages long, and no one seems to be able to get this printer
   >   working correctly, even though it is labeled as fully supported
   >   under Gutenprint.  When I plug it in with Ubuntu 8.04, it is
   >   automatically recognized and setup with the gutenprint cx8400
   >   ppd. However, any attempt to print results in a bunch of spit out
   >   pages, sometimes with strange characters on the top line.  The
   >   printer sort of works when configured as a cx3800, though it prints
   >   in a strange manner-- the alignment is far off, and the heads move
   >   rapidly back and forth in short bursts to do lines of text. The
   >   cx5800 driver works better, but colors are way off, and alignment
   >   is still not perfect.
   >
   > Can you try printing a test page -- either by means of escputil -n, if
   > that works, or by holding down the paper feed button while turning the
   > printer on, if that doesn't work -- and sending me a high resolution
   > scan of the output?  That might help me solve this problem.

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Parent Message unknown Re: cx8400 driver invalid

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I apologize for the delay-- I couldn't find a filesize that your email would accept. This one is rather small... message me back if you want a larger image. NOTE: no attachment on the mailing list copy.

Also to note-- I tried printing a map, and the scaling must be off or something, because the image (though at a suitable dpi for printing) came out strangely enlarged and practically unreadable. I can send a scan of that too, if you want.


The self-test print spat out the nozzle check page-- it is identical to the page if I sent it from within the printer configuration itself, and nothing can be learned from it. It's not really.. a test page.

When I attempted to send the ubuntu test page, it spat out blank pages over and over again. When I tried it with the 5800 driver, the result was as attached. The colors are partially off because of the wrong ink, probably off because of the wrong driver.

The alignment issue seemed to pertain more to the 3800 driver.

On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:24 PM, Robert Krawitz <rlk@...> wrote:
  Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 12:41:56 -0700
  From: "Andrew Kahn" <andrewkahn123@...>

  Unfortunately I am not the best test subject because my printer
  currently has dye ink rather than the standard Epson pigment (so
  some colors mix incorrectly), but I'll do a test in Windows and
  Linux, and send you the scan hopefully by tonight.

  I cannot send any sort of print whatsoever under the cx8400 driver,
  so I'll do the test print under the 5800. By off-alignment... well,
  you'll see. ;)

For this specific test, you don't need to do it under Windows at all
-- it prints the internal test page.  I just want to see what the
pattern looks like; it hopefully will give me the answer.

  On Tue, Jul 1, 2008 at 4:54 AM, Robert Krawitz <rlk@...> wrote:

  >   Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:34:42 -0700
  >   From: "Andrew Kahn" <andrewkahn123@...>
  >
  >    Okay, this has been going on for a while now-- forums have threads
  >   fifteen pages long, and no one seems to be able to get this printer
  >   working correctly, even though it is labeled as fully supported
  >   under Gutenprint.  When I plug it in with Ubuntu 8.04, it is
  >   automatically recognized and setup with the gutenprint cx8400
  >   ppd. However, any attempt to print results in a bunch of spit out
  >   pages, sometimes with strange characters on the top line.  The
  >   printer sort of works when configured as a cx3800, though it prints
  >   in a strange manner-- the alignment is far off, and the heads move
  >   rapidly back and forth in short bursts to do lines of text. The
  >   cx5800 driver works better, but colors are way off, and alignment
  >   is still not perfect.
  >
  > Can you try printing a test page -- either by means of escputil -n, if
  > that works, or by holding down the paper feed button while turning the
  > printer on, if that doesn't work -- and sending me a high resolution
  > scan of the output?  That might help me solve this problem.

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Parent Message unknown Re: cx8400 driver invalid

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   Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 22:07:45 -0700
   From: "Andrew Kahn" <andrewkahn123@...>

   The self-test print spat out the nozzle check page-- it is
   identical to the page if I sent it from within the printer
   configuration itself, and nothing can be learned from it. It's not
   really.. a test page.

The nozzle check page is precisely what I would like to see.

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Re: cx8400 driver invalid

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Robert Krawitz wrote:

>    Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 22:07:45 -0700
>    From: "Andrew Kahn" <andrewkahn123@...>
>
>    The self-test print spat out the nozzle check page-- it is
>    identical to the page if I sent it from within the printer
>    configuration itself, and nothing can be learned from it. It's not
>    really.. a test page.
>
> The nozzle check page is precisely what I would like to see.
>  
Based on this recent e-mail exchange, it sounds like the nozzle check
can tell you a lot about how the printer prints colors and such.  Is
this based on the positioning and placement of the colored lines on the
page?  What can you tell, precisely?  Are there any web resources?  I
find myself somewhat intrigued.

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Re: cx8400 driver invalid

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   Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:01:58 -0400
   From: Rob Shinn <morgan@...>

   Robert Krawitz wrote:
   >    Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 22:07:45 -0700
   >    From: "Andrew Kahn" <andrewkahn123@...>
   >
   >    The self-test print spat out the nozzle check page-- it is
   >    identical to the page if I sent it from within the printer
   >    configuration itself, and nothing can be learned from it. It's not
   >    really.. a test page.
   >
   > The nozzle check page is precisely what I would like to see.

   Based on this recent e-mail exchange, it sounds like the nozzle
   check can tell you a lot about how the printer prints colors and
   such.  Is this based on the positioning and placement of the
   colored lines on the page?  What can you tell, precisely?  Are
   there any web resources?  I find myself somewhat intrigued.

Yes, it is from the positioning and placement of the colored lines on
the page.

The nozzle check usually looks something like this (make sure your
mailer displays in a fixed width font:

(black)    (cyan)        (magenta)     (yellow)
-_           -_           -_           -_
  -_           -_           -_           -_
    -_           -_           -_           -_
      -_           -_           -_           -_
-_           -_           -_           -_
  -_           -_           -_           -_
    -_           -_           -_           -_
      -_           -_           -_           -_
-_           -_           -_           -_
  -_           -_           -_           -_
    -_           -_           -_           -_
      -_           -_           -_           -_
-_           -_           -_           -_
  -_           -_           -_           -_
    -_           -_           -_           -_
      -_           -_           -_           -_
-_           -_           -_           -_
  -_           -_           -_           -_
    -_           -_           -_           -_
      -_           -_           -_           -_
-_           -_           -_           -_
  -_           -_           -_           -_
    -_           -_           -_           -_
      -_           -_           -_           -_

We can figure out the number of nozzles and their placement by looking
at this chart.  In this case, each block consists of 6 rows (vertical)
and 8 small dashes (horizontally), indicating that the printer has 48
nozzles of each color, aligned.  But sometimes it looks like this:

(black)    (cyan)        (magenta)     (yellow)
-_           -_
  -_           -_
    -_           -_
      -_           -_
-_           -_
  -_           -_
    -_           -_
      -_           -_
-_                        -_
  -_                        -_
    -_                        -_
      -_                        -_
-_                        -_
  -_                        -_
    -_                        -_
      -_                        -_
-_                                     -_
  -_                                     -_
    -_                                     -_
      -_                                     -_
-_                                     -_
  -_                                     -_
    -_                                     -_
      -_                                     -_

In this case, it has 48 black nozzles, but only 16 each of CMY.
What's more, the nozzle sets are misaligned with each other.

With some printers, the nozzle sets are interleaved; some are at the
base position and some are off by 1/360", and that's hard to tell from
the print (I have other ways of figuring that out; print out something
with horizontal lines, and if things look misaligned, then I know it's
one of those printers, and I look *very* carefully at the test
pattern).  It's usually the photo printers that do this; I doubt
(although it's not impossible) that the CX8400 does.

So that's why I want to see the test pattern; hopefully it will clear
things up just like that.

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