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by david bovill :: Rate this Message:

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Is this just a 2.9 thing or did I miss it before?


   1. create a stack
   2. Place a button or any control on the card
   3. Give the control a background fill colour
   4. Set the ink of the button to blend - no need to move the slider to set
   a blendlevel
   5. select stack properties and set the blendlevel of the stack with the
   slider

Any level of stack blend above I think 2 immediately punches a whole right
through the stack. Interestingly this works for regular polygons as well  -
but not if anti-aliased is selected.
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Re: Wow - punching holes in stacks!

by Scott Rossi :: Rate this Message:

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Recently, David Bovill wrote:

> Is this just a 2.9 thing or did I miss it before?
>
>
>    1. create a stack
>    2. Place a button or any control on the card
>    3. Give the control a background fill colour
>    4. Set the ink of the button to blend - no need to move the slider to set
>    a blendlevel
>    5. select stack properties and set the blendlevel of the stack with the
>    slider
>
> Any level of stack blend above I think 2 immediately punches a whole right
> through the stack. Interestingly this works for regular polygons as well  -
> but not if anti-aliased is selected.

Hi David:

I tried what you describe above and I don't get the same results.  The only
thing the blendLevel of a stack *should* do is set its overall opacity --
unless you designate an image to act as a mask for the stack, a single
control shouldn't have any bearing on the stacks appearance.  At least, not
usually.  You may have discovered some unexpected behavior, which could be
interesting.  Would it possible to post a sample stack somewhere to look at?

Thanks & Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Re: Wow - punching holes in stacks!

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Well creating a new stack adding a button with this script and clicking on
it works here:

on mouseUp
>     set the backgroundcolor of me to blue
>     set the ink of me to blend
>     set the blendlevel of this stack to 5
>     set the rect of this stack to the screenrect
> end mouseUp
>

You need to resize the stack to get the redraw. Only tested on OSX Tiger and
2.9. If you still need a stack - I can upload it.

2008/5/15 Scott Rossi <scott@...>:

> Recently, David Bovill wrote:
>
> > Is this just a 2.9 thing or did I miss it before?
> >
> >
> >    1. create a stack
> >    2. Place a button or any control on the card
> >    3. Give the control a background fill colour
> >    4. Set the ink of the button to blend - no need to move the slider to
> set
> >    a blendlevel
> >    5. select stack properties and set the blendlevel of the stack with
> the
> >    slider
> >
> > Any level of stack blend above I think 2 immediately punches a whole
> right
> > through the stack. Interestingly this works for regular polygons as well
>  -
> > but not if anti-aliased is selected.
>
> Hi David:
>
> I tried what you describe above and I don't get the same results.  The only
> thing the blendLevel of a stack *should* do is set its overall opacity --
> unless you designate an image to act as a mask for the stack, a single
> control shouldn't have any bearing on the stacks appearance.  At least, not
> usually.  You may have discovered some unexpected behavior, which could be
> interesting.  Would it possible to post a sample stack somewhere to look
> at?
>
> Thanks & Regards,
>
> Scott Rossi
> Creative Director
> Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
>
>
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by Noel-26 :: Rate this Message:

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I just tried it on a Windows Vista machine, and I'm not seeing any issues.

Can you upload your stack so I know I'm doing the same as yourself?

  - Noel

At 03:21 PM 5/15/2008, you wrote:

>Well creating a new stack adding a button with this script and clicking on
>it works here:
>
>on mouseUp
> >     set the backgroundcolor of me to blue
> >     set the ink of me to blend
> >     set the blendlevel of this stack to 5
> >     set the rect of this stack to the screenrect
> > end mouseUp
> >
>
>You need to resize the stack to get the redraw. Only tested on OSX Tiger and
>2.9. If you still need a stack - I can upload it.
>
>2008/5/15 Scott Rossi <scott@...>:
>
> > Recently, David Bovill wrote:
> >
> > > Is this just a 2.9 thing or did I miss it before?
> > >
> > >
> > >    1. create a stack
> > >    2. Place a button or any control on the card
> > >    3. Give the control a background fill colour
> > >    4. Set the ink of the button to blend - no need to move the slider to
> > set
> > >    a blendlevel
> > >    5. select stack properties and set the blendlevel of the stack with
> > the
> > >    slider
> > >
> > > Any level of stack blend above I think 2 immediately punches a whole
> > right
> > > through the stack. Interestingly this works for regular polygons as well
> >  -
> > > but not if anti-aliased is selected.
> >
> > Hi David:
> >
> > I tried what you describe above and I don't get the same results.  The only
> > thing the blendLevel of a stack *should* do is set its overall opacity --
> > unless you designate an image to act as a mask for the stack, a single
> > control shouldn't have any bearing on the stacks appearance.  At least, not
> > usually.  You may have discovered some unexpected behavior, which could be
> > interesting.  Would it possible to post a sample stack somewhere to look
> > at?
> >
> > Thanks & Regards,
> >
> > Scott Rossi
> > Creative Director
> > Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design
> >
> >
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Re: Wow - punching holes in stacks!

by Sarah Reichelt-2 :: Rate this Message:

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On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 7:21 AM, David Bovill <david@...> wrote:

> Well creating a new stack adding a button with this script and clicking on
>  it works here:
>
>  on mouseUp
>  >     set the backgroundcolor of me to blue
>  >     set the ink of me to blend
>  >     set the blendlevel of this stack to 5
>  >     set the rect of this stack to the screenrect
>  > end mouseUp
>  >
>
>  You need to resize the stack to get the redraw. Only tested on OSX Tiger and
>  2.9. If you still need a stack - I can upload it.


Doesn't seem to work for me on Leopard.

Sarah
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Re: Wow - punching holes in stacks!

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2008/5/15 Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt@...>:

>
> Doesn't seem to work for me on Leopard.


I'll try it on leopard over here... for now here is a link - type:

go url "
> http://handlers.rev-co.de/attachment/wiki/blendLevel/hole.rev?format=raw"
>

into the message box. You should see a simple stack with one button and a
transparent hole where the button should be.
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Re: Wow - punching holes in stacks!

by Sarah Reichelt-2 :: Rate this Message:

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On Fri, May 16, 2008 at 9:22 AM, David Bovill <david@...> wrote:

> 2008/5/15 Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt@...>:
>
>
>  >
>  > Doesn't seem to work for me on Leopard.
>
>
>  I'll try it on leopard over here... for now here is a link - type:
>
>  go url "
>  > http://handlers.rev-co.de/attachment/wiki/blendLevel/hole.rev?format=raw"
>  >
>
>  into the message box. You should see a simple stack with one button and a
>  transparent hole where the button should be.
>

No, I see a stack with a mauve button. Both stack & button are
slightly transparent, but that's it.
Clicking the button changes nothing but the stack rect.

Sarah
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Re: Wow - punching holes in stacks!

by Terry Judd :: Rate this Message:

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Interesting - I followed your recipe before and didn't see the effect but
your stack 'works' here for me on 10.4.11 (Intel) with Rev 2.9.

Terry...


On 16/5/08 9:22 AM, "David Bovill" <david@...> wrote:

> 2008/5/15 Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt@...>:
>
>>
>> Doesn't seem to work for me on Leopard.
>
>
> I'll try it on leopard over here... for now here is a link - type:
>
> go url "
>> http://handlers.rev-co.de/attachment/wiki/blendLevel/hole.rev?format=raw"
>>
>
> into the message box. You should see a simple stack with one button and a
> transparent hole where the button should be.
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Re: Wow - punching holes in stacks!

by Terry Judd :: Rate this Message:

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A caveat to that - select the button and it becomes visible again, resize
the stack and it creates the hole.

Terry...


On 16/5/08 9:46 AM, "Terry Judd" <tsj@...> wrote:

> Interesting - I followed your recipe before and didn't see the effect but
> your stack 'works' here for me on 10.4.11 (Intel) with Rev 2.9.
>
> Terry...
>
>
> On 16/5/08 9:22 AM, "David Bovill" <david@...> wrote:
>
>> 2008/5/15 Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt@...>:
>>
>>>
>>> Doesn't seem to work for me on Leopard.
>>
>>
>> I'll try it on leopard over here... for now here is a link - type:
>>
>> go url "
>>> http://handlers.rev-co.de/attachment/wiki/blendLevel/hole.rev?format=raw"
>>>
>>
>> into the message box. You should see a simple stack with one button and a
>> transparent hole where the button should be.
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Re: Wow - punching holes in stacks!

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I've tried all sorts of manipulations with the screen and button and
I haven't seen any issues.  This is on Vista.

Could be an Apple only issue.

  - Noel

At 05:49 PM 5/15/2008, you wrote:

>A caveat to that - select the button and it becomes visible again, resize
>the stack and it creates the hole.
>
>Terry...
>
>
>On 16/5/08 9:46 AM, "Terry Judd" <tsj@...> wrote:
>
> > Interesting - I followed your recipe before and didn't see the effect but
> > your stack 'works' here for me on 10.4.11 (Intel) with Rev 2.9.
> >
> > Terry...
> >
> >
> > On 16/5/08 9:22 AM, "David Bovill" <david@...> wrote:
> >
> >> 2008/5/15 Sarah Reichelt <sarah.reichelt@...>:
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Doesn't seem to work for me on Leopard.
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll try it on leopard over here... for now here is a link - type:
> >>
> >> go url "
> >>> http://handlers.rev-co.de/attachment/wiki/blendLevel/hole.rev?format=raw"
> >>>
> >>
> >> into the message box. You should see a simple stack with one button and a
> >> transparent hole where the button should be.
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Re: Wow - punching holes in stacks!

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Recently, David Bovill wrote:

> creating a new stack adding a button with this script and clicking on
> it works here:
>
> on mouseUp
>     set the backgroundcolor of me to blue
>     set the ink of me to blend
>     set the blendlevel of this stack to 5
>     set the rect of this stack to the screenrect
> end mouseUp

Now THAT is a cool bug. :-)

(Works in 2.8.1 as well.)

Even more interesting is after resizing the button I get what appears to be
an offset shadow from the button text, which might be generated by the
window¹s shadow routine (?).

  http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/bug_sample.jpg

This could almost be a feature ‹ resizable window mask. :-)

Regards,

Scott Rossi
Creative Director
Tactile Media, Multimedia & Design


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Re: Wow - punching holes in stacks!

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On May 16, 2008, at 6:29 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:

>
> Now THAT is a cool bug. :-)
>
> (Works in 2.8.1 as well.)

I wonder if this is an intel machine only thing?
I cannot get it here with Rev 2.9 and my PPC G4 10.5.2 Mac.

sims
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Re: Wow - punching holes in stacks!

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I didn't get it with a MacPro with Leopard and a 30" monitor. Just  
filled the screen with nothing and the button - under 2.9.

Joe Wilkins

On May 15, 2008, at 9:35 PM, Jim Sims wrote:

>
> On May 16, 2008, at 6:29 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>
>>
>> Now THAT is a cool bug. :-)
>>
>> (Works in 2.8.1 as well.)
>
> I wonder if this is an intel machine only thing?
> I cannot get it here with Rev 2.9 and my PPC G4 10.5.2 Mac.
>
> sims

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Re: Wow - punching holes in stacks!

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On 5/15/08 11:35 PM, "Jim Sims" <sims@...> wrote:

>
> On May 16, 2008, at 6:29 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>
>>
>> Now THAT is a cool bug. :-)
>>
>> (Works in 2.8.1 as well.)
>
> I wonder if this is an intel machine only thing?
> I cannot get it here with Rev 2.9 and my PPC G4 10.5.2 Mac.

An I can't get it with Rev 2.8.1 on an Intel MacBookPro running Leopard...

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Re: Wow - punching holes in stacks!

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Ken Ray wrote:

>
>
> On 5/15/08 11:35 PM, "Jim Sims" <sims@...> wrote:
>
>> On May 16, 2008, at 6:29 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>>
>>> Now THAT is a cool bug. :-)
>>>
>>> (Works in 2.8.1 as well.)
>> I wonder if this is an intel machine only thing?
>> I cannot get it here with Rev 2.9 and my PPC G4 10.5.2 Mac.
>
> An I can't get it with Rev 2.8.1 on an Intel MacBookPro running Leopard...

I got it on an Intel iMac running Rev 2.9 and OS 10.4.11. Pretty cool
when it happens.

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Re: Wow - punching holes in stacks!

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Recently, Ken Ray wrote:

>>> Now THAT is a cool bug. :-)
>>>
>>> (Works in 2.8.1 as well.)
>>
>> I wonder if this is an intel machine only thing?
>> I cannot get it here with Rev 2.9 and my PPC G4 10.5.2 Mac.
>
> An I can't get it with Rev 2.8.1 on an Intel MacBookPro running Leopard...

Yeah, it appears to be a Mac 10.4 Tiger bug.  Odd but interesting.

Regards,

Scott Rossi
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Re: Wow - punching holes in stacks!

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Yes - doesn't work in Leopard here.

In a beauty test of bugs - that one gets my vote. It's a pity the non-Tiger
users can't see it - maybe Ill put it on YouTube :)
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Re: Wow - punching holes in stacks!

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On May 15, 2008, at 11:09 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:

> Ken Ray wrote:
>> On 5/15/08 11:35 PM, "Jim Sims" <sims@...> wrote:
>>> On May 16, 2008, at 6:29 AM, Scott Rossi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Now THAT is a cool bug. :-)
>>>>
>>>> (Works in 2.8.1 as well.)
>>> I wonder if this is an intel machine only thing?
>>> I cannot get it here with Rev 2.9 and my PPC G4 10.5.2 Mac.
>> An I can't get it with Rev 2.8.1 on an Intel MacBookPro running  
>> Leopard...
>
> I got it on an Intel iMac running Rev 2.9 and OS 10.4.11. Pretty  
> cool when it happens.

I got it with the same configuration--Rev 2.9 on Intel Mac with  
10.4.11. And it's a "true" hole--if you click on the hole where the  
button is, it clicks through to the application beneath.

I say promote this to a feature! ;-)

Devin

Devin Asay
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Brigham Young University

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