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[Apptech]

> My car has no trailer hitch and the manual says not to put
> one on.

And ?

> Car inside a truck.. why thats an interesting idea there.
> I did rent a
> truck for the first part of the move and towed my car.  8
> hour drive, and
> easy since it was all on a highway.  I don't think I would
> want to do that
> for a move across country... getting stuck in some small
> gas station
> would be unhappy and I like my car.  It's comfy.

Roof rack.
Roofbox.
... ?

I'd almost certainly fit a trailer hitch if I was in in your
situation.
As long as insurance does not disallow it it is extremely
unlikely to be a terrible idea.




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[Herbert Graf-2]

On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 14:30 +1200, Apptech wrote:

> > My car has no trailer hitch and the manual says not to put
> > one on.
>
> And ?
>
> Roof rack.
> Roofbox.
> ... ?
>
> I'd almost certainly fit a trailer hitch if I was in in your
> situation.
> As long as insurance does not disallow it it is extremely
> unlikely to be a terrible idea.

Unfortunately most of North America has an incorrect opinion on
trailers. Most of us think that to tow ANYTHING you need a big truck
with a V8 engine.

Fact is pretty much ANY car is capable of towing 1000-1500lbs. While
most cars do have a tow rating in the manual, most dealerships will
claim it's not a good idea. That's rubbish.

In Europe OTOH towing a trailer is common. I've seen VW Golfs with tow
hitches. Yes, you can't tow a 5th wheel trailer with a Gold (safely) but
a small trailer is no problem.

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[Cedric Chang-2]

Actually I have a Mazda Miata sports car ( circa 1990 ) with 160K  
miles that I installed a receiver hitch on and I have a teeny trailer  
that
I can put 600 lbs on and the trailer weighs about 150 lbs ( I can  
bench press the trailer ).  I changed the suspension on the trailer  
from leaf springs to air filled inner tubes.
cc

>
>
> On May 7, 2008, at 8:38 PM, Herbert Graf wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 14:30 +1200, Apptech wrote:
>>> My car has no trailer hitch and the manual says not to put
>>> one on.
>>
>> And ?
>>
>> Roof rack.
>> Roofbox.
>> ... ?
>>
>> I'd almost certainly fit a trailer hitch if I was in in your
>> situation.
>> As long as insurance does not disallow it it is extremely
>> unlikely to be a terrible idea.
>
> Unfortunately most of North America has an incorrect opinion on
> trailers. Most of us think that to tow ANYTHING you need a big truck
> with a V8 engine.
>
> Fact is pretty much ANY car is capable of towing 1000-1500lbs. While
> most cars do have a tow rating in the manual, most dealerships will
> claim it's not a good idea. That's rubbish.
>
> In Europe OTOH towing a trailer is common. I've seen VW Golfs with tow
> hitches. Yes, you can't tow a 5th wheel trailer with a Gold  
> (safely) but
> a small trailer is no problem.
>
> TTYL
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[piclist-7]

Moving is a pain!

I found some trailer hitches for my car at about $150.  But the issue I
have now is looking at the recomendations for speed of the trailers, most
say no more than 45mph.

I put a bit of weight behind that, as I have seen many trailers bouncing
about and weaving back and forth behind cars moving at high speed. And
once I even saw one get so out of control it came loose and smashed
through a guard rail and down a steep hill.  Oops!

So far the plan is ship as much as I can via UPS/USPS and insure the heck
out of it.

I need a hobby that requires less parts.  Like Yoga or something. :-)

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[Jake Anderson-2]

piclist@... wrote:

> Moving is a pain!
>
> I found some trailer hitches for my car at about $150.  But the issue I
> have now is looking at the recomendations for speed of the trailers, most
> say no more than 45mph.
>
> I put a bit of weight behind that, as I have seen many trailers bouncing
> about and weaving back and forth behind cars moving at high speed. And
> once I even saw one get so out of control it came loose and smashed
> through a guard rail and down a steep hill.  Oops!
>
> So far the plan is ship as much as I can via UPS/USPS and insure the heck
> out of it.
>
> I need a hobby that requires less parts.  Like Yoga or something. :-)
>
> --
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>  

Any decent trailer with a sane driver shouldn't have tracking problems
like that.
You have a trailer, it means take it easy, you aren't going to stop on a
"dime" and you have to leave a safe following distance to take that into
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[Apptech]

RVKI - see "Long ago ... "

> I found some trailer hitches for my car at about $150.
> But the issue I
> have now is looking at the recomendations for speed of the
> trailers, most
> say no more than 45mph.
>
> I put a bit of weight behind that, as I have seen many
> trailers bouncing
> about and weaving back and forth behind cars moving at
> high speed. And
> once I even saw one get so out of control it came loose
> and smashed
> through a guard rail and down a steep hill.  Oops!

What Jake says BUT if you ever do get bad trailer weaving
then ACCELERATING seems to help :-).
(If you are trying to brake at the time this may not be an
option :-). )
Testing the stability and playing with load distribution may
help.

45 mph may slow you down somewhat BUT on a long trip its
amazing how much more you can see at a very slow speed. As
this is a once only occasion for you it may be a worthwhile
experience going slow.

Long ago we almost ripped the front subframe out of a
Cortina by bashing it on a rock ledge while descending Mt
Tarawera - a story in its own right. Frame hung in there by
the tips of the bush holders. Acted like a grader on gravel
roads. The local AA man said he had to advise us to get it
repaired where we were. But then he added soto voce, 'if it
was mine I'd drive it back,     but slowly'. Which is what
we did. Under ?200? miles but at 30 mph the whole way.
Summer. Windows open, laid back, rolling picnic. With our
children. We deemed that it was safe enough at that speed
that if the subframe actually fell out it would only be
'exciting'. My wife is not a vast risk taker and she was
happy. The trip was an amazing experience as we saw so very
much more than usual and felt a part of the local scene as
we travelled through. After a while 30 mph feels almost like
walking. Well worth doing, once anyway. TransAm at 45 mph
may be 'a little slow' but if you make it an event in its
own right it could be worthwhile.


        Russell


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[Cedric Chang-2]

One easy way to go is to get a pintle hook ( new about $50     used  
about $25 ) and attach it to your bumper.  This assumes you have a  
bumper.  If you don't , go back to the receiver hitch idea.  I never  
own a vehicle unless it can tow things.  Each to their own way of  
thinking.
Then  you can use a lunette loop to attach the trailer securely.


On my Miata sports car I have a receiver hitch.
On my 40 foot RTD bus I have a pintle hook which has pulled a 27,000  
lb excavator on one occasion. ( very slowly for about four miles)
You just have to get everything set up right and monitor the  
stability of it all.

The most scary thing that ever happened was while I was pulling a 27  
foot travel trailer at 65 mph on a Mexican highway and a big semi-
truck blew by the other way.  This sucked the trailer sideways and it  
took 1/2 mile to get the trailer to stop whip-lashing.  Mexican  
highways ( at least this one ) have no breakdown lane or shoulders,  
so you have to deal with staying in a narrow lane.  I found out that  
my father had under-inflated the tires on the trailer ( in my  
opinion ) and the tires were just fine ( in his opinion ).  So when  
he drove we let air out of the tires and when I drove we added air.  
Those tires must have felt schizophrenic after a while.


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[Apptech]

> One easy way to go is to get a pintle hook ( new about $50
> used
> about $25 ) and attach it to your bumper.

Interesting. Would not be legal here. FWIW.

> Then  you can use a lunette loop to attach the trailer
> securely.

We are required to have a "security chain" which attaches
from draw bar to trailer independent of the hitch proper.
Has saved a few lives.

> The most scary thing that ever happened was while I was
> pulling a 27
> foot travel trailer at 65 mph on a Mexican highway and a
> big semi-
> truck blew by the other way.  This sucked the trailer
> sideways and it
> took 1/2 mile to get the trailer to stop whip-lashing.

Travelling south. A friend in Tokoroa (120 miles?) away
asked if we could bring two motors down to him. I can't
remember the details but AFAIR they were large DC motors -
each an extremely uncomfortable load for one person to
wrestle onto the trailer using a plank. They MAY have been
trolley bus exciters. The two motors were installed on the
trailer and tied down securely. Walker.

The trailer was a largish domestic one with a tipping
facility. We can see what's coming, can't we... ? :-). The
tipping system was a subframe above the main frame that
pivoted at about axle level allowing the bed to tilt up and
loads to be dumped or run onto the trailer. I had probably
bought it with motorcycle loading in mind amongst other
things. That was the theory anyway, but in practice it was
rather steep when tipped and far easier to put a bike on in
a more normal manner. So, the tipper didn't get much use. It
was permanently bolted with a single bolt at the draw bar -
probably a 3/8", maybe 5/16" ???

So, driving south, dark night, country road. Just passed
Tokoroa turnoff for Rotorua - will take motors over
tomorrow. One car following. Pass a car going the other way.
Then suddenly, yee ha !!!!!!!! Second wildest auto ride I've
ever had*, probably. The car was all over the road. The
trailer was penduluming behind us to and from in giant arcs
covering the whole width of the not too wide road. If the
oncoming car had been a little later passing us ... :-(.
After about 4000 hours of fighting the car I got the speed
down and things under control and pulled over and stopped.
Seemed like a good idea at the time. Man behind pulled over
too. Fortunately for my licence he wasn't a cop.

The motors had worked to the back of the tray placing
substantial strain on the tipper.
The bolt, no surprise, had sheared. The tipper had tipped
and the rather heavy motors had sat in the tipped tray with
the steel frame on the road and the long and light trailer
joining them to us, and away we had gone. Death was a
possibility - either of an oncoming motorist or of us if the
shutdown had not gone quite so well. The man behind gave a
graphic account of the showers of sparks and wild
penduluming.

We left the trailer and motors by the roadside and my friend
collected them next day. He welded the tipper mechanism
solid. Thereafter I had a trailer with two frames for no
obvious purpose :-).



        Russell

* Wildest may have been when our car left the road on a
gravel road during a car trial after adopting increasingly
violent weavings that showed no sign of being overcome.
Rolling was going to happen sooner or later so leaving the
road and flattening a fence was a good choice. As my wife
was driving this has served for many years as an emergency
rejoinder when she criticises my more extreme driving
activities. Well, I've never actually managed to ... ** . To
be used sparingly. The fence survived. It was a 5 wire one
hit about midway between strainer posts. It lay down
cooperatively while the car half crossed it and stood up
again when we and the following car crew pushed the car back
onto the road. Not a scratch ... :-).

** Motorcycles are another matter. Lots of road leaving
there. And worse.






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[Jim-141]

We have horses and it scares me silly that a lot of people know nothing
about towing and yet still fit a tow hitches to a totally unsuitable vehicle
and tow a 2,200 kg trailer (with 2 horses).

We looked at a number of vehicles when we considered buying a trailer.

An average weight of a horse trailer unladed is about 850kg, a Vauxhall
Frontera 4 wheel drive vehicle is a favourite of horse owners (*cheap), but
has a towing capability of the Toyota Avensis 1800cc saloon car I had at the
time!
The best towing vehicles we found were land rovers (2,500kg) and the Range
Rover (3,300kg normal, OR 6,000kg at 18mph in "emergency").

In the end we bought a 1990 Range Rover, and about 4 months later the
trailer was stolen!

Since then I converted a 7.5ton Iveco Truck and use that instead - the fuel
consumption is slightly BETTER than the Range Rover and it stands me at
about 18,000 ukp in cost, but it is much safer and more comfortable :)

If anyone is even slightly interested the conversion "blog" is here
http://www.jimfranklin.info/truck/index.html and for some reason Google
likes it with a search for    horsebox conversion   it has hit 1st place in
the search for the past 3 years!

/waffle over



On Wed, 7 May 2008 20:59:59 -0600, Cedric Chang wrote

> Actually I have a Mazda Miata sports car ( circa 1990 ) with 160K  
> miles that I installed a receiver hitch on and I have a teeny
> trailer  that I can put 600 lbs on and the trailer weighs about 150
> lbs ( I can  bench press the trailer ).  I changed the suspension on
> the trailer  from leaf springs to air filled inner tubes. cc
>
> >
> >
> > On May 7, 2008, at 8:38 PM, Herbert Graf wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 2008-05-08 at 14:30 +1200, Apptech wrote:
> >>> My car has no trailer hitch and the manual says not to put
> >>> one on.
> >>
> >> And ?
> >>
> >> Roof rack.
> >> Roofbox.
> >> ... ?
> >>
> >> I'd almost certainly fit a trailer hitch if I was in in your
> >> situation.
> >> As long as insurance does not disallow it it is extremely
> >> unlikely to be a terrible idea.
> >
> > Unfortunately most of North America has an incorrect opinion on
> > trailers. Most of us think that to tow ANYTHING you need a big truck
> > with a V8 engine.
> >
> > Fact is pretty much ANY car is capable of towing 1000-1500lbs. While
> > most cars do have a tow rating in the manual, most dealerships will
> > claim it's not a good idea. That's rubbish.
> >
> > In Europe OTOH towing a trailer is common. I've seen VW Golfs with tow
> > hitches. Yes, you can't tow a 5th wheel trailer with a Gold  
> > (safely) but
> > a small trailer is no problem.
> >
> > TTYL
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[Carl Denk]

Trailers only weave when the are loaded improperly. They must be loaded
front heavy, with say for a light trailer (including load) 20 lbs. to
over 100 lbs for heavy trailers for actual weight on the hitch ball. I
pulled a Nissan Pathfinder (4000 lbs.) on a U-haul tandem axle car
hauler (2000 lbs.) from Atlanta, Ga. to Cleveland, Ohio (624 miles) in
12 hours with a 1996 Ford Bronco SUV(6000 lbs.) . We went one exit on
I-285, trailer start weaving badly, almost lost it. Stopped in a quiet
parking lot, turned the Pathfinder around end for end to get more weight
forward. Trailed just fine all the way home, including last 150 miles in
heavy snow with very slippery roads and white outs. Of course the Bronco
was in 4 wheel drive with locking differentials front and rear. The
front axle drives about 2% faster than the rear axle which helps
straight line stability greatly. But try and turn sharp at low speeds
and she still likes to go straight. The trailer had hydraulic brakes
with the master cylinder part of the hitch. When the towing vehicle
slows, the master cylinder piston is pushed, applying the trailer
brakes. It was well calibrated for the application, and never had
braking issues.

piclist@... wrote:

> Moving is a pain!
>
> I found some trailer hitches for my car at about $150.  But the issue I
> have now is looking at the recomendations for speed of the trailers, most
> say no more than 45mph.
>
> I put a bit of weight behind that, as I have seen many trailers bouncing
> about and weaving back and forth behind cars moving at high speed. And
> once I even saw one get so out of control it came loose and smashed
> through a guard rail and down a steep hill.  Oops!
>
> So far the plan is ship as much as I can via UPS/USPS and insure the heck
> out of it.
>
> I need a hobby that requires less parts.  Like Yoga or something. :-)
>
> --
> Ian Smith
> www.ian.org
>  

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[Carl Denk]

There are also drive away companies that handle getting vehicles from
one part of the country to another by driving. You can pay to have your
vehicle driven or get the use (not sure which way the money goes) of a
vehicle cheap to travel one way. Also there are custom (no only fancy
but any car to some location) car haulers that can be hired to get your
vehicle to a location for a fee. 9/11 my Ford Bronco was on a car hauler
(portable parking lot) between Calgary and Vancouver, Canada, while we
made to distance on a fancy train. Cost $250 US for the 600 miles the
driver drove. The truck normally hauls rental cars to where they are
needed, and had a mint vintage Corvette besides our Bronco.

piclist@... wrote:

> On Wed, 7 May 2008, Marcel wrote:
>  
>> No, it is *NOT* a 1GHz scope... he said it was a 1.009GHz scope.
>>
>> Sheesh!
>>
>> Marc Nicholas wrote:
>>    
>>> Its really a 1Ghz scope? I'd take it!
>>>      
>
> Typo. :-) 100mhz.
>
> My car has no trailer hitch and the manual says not to put one on.
>
> Car inside a truck.. why thats an interesting idea there.  I did rent a
> truck for the first part of the move and towed my car.  8 hour drive, and
> easy since it was all on a highway.  I don't think I would want to do that
> for a move across country... getting stuck in some small gas station
> would be unhappy and I like my car.  It's comfy.
>
> Just the gas alone in using a truck would had quite a bit... maybe
> throwing more stuff in boxes and rolling the dice with UPS is the way
> to go.
>
> I am mailing stuff I think is safe to mail, but that still leaves quite a
> large amount to fit in my trunk.
>
> Thanks for the suggestions.
>
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[Michael Rigby-Jones]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: piclist-bounces@... [mailto:piclist-bounces@...] On
Behalf

> Of Apptech
> Sent: 07 May 2008 23:37
> To: Microcontroller discussion list - Public.
> Subject: Re: [EE]Windows XP Sp3?
>
> XP SP3 does not allow you to run IE6.
> IE7 is installed as part of SP3 and cannot be removed
> without uninstalling SP3.
>
>
>

http://computerworld.co.nz/news.nsf/news/D5C663E793D1E47DCC257442006FDD2
E?
> opendocument&utm_source=topnews&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=topnews
>
> About 70% of web users run IE6 according to this.
>
> I am happy with the advantages of IE7 fwiw. (Most notably
> tabbed browsing). I am not aware of why users do not wish to
> upgrade but no doubt there are some good reasons.

1) I use Firefox 99.99% of the time.
2) I intensely dislike the new IE7 interface, I find it non-intuitive
and frustrating.  Some hours use would fix that, but is unlikely to
happen due to 1).

Mike

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[Xiaofan Chen]

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:32 AM, Dario Greggio <adpm.to@...> wrote:
>> Starting from yesterday, all my Windows XP sp2 machines asking an update to SP3.
>> Anybody has tried the windows xp SP3 for PIC development, such as MPLAB IDE, PICKit2, ICD2, etc?
> started today, I'll let you know tomorrow :))
>

I downloaded the standalone version and tried a few things (PICKit 2, ICD2,
MPLAB IDE, MPLAB C18, Microchip USB stack 2.1) and so far so good.

Windows XP SP3 standalone download links:
http://www.ghacks.net/2008/05/07/standalone-windows-xp-sp3-download-list/
The English version is 316MB but I have a fast download link.


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[Xiaofan Chen]

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Michael Rigby-Jones
<Michael.Rigby-Jones@...> wrote:
>> I am happy with the advantages of IE7 fwiw. (Most notably
>> tabbed browsing). I am not aware of why users do not wish to
>> upgrade but no doubt there are some good reasons.
>
> 1) I use Firefox 99.99% of the time.
> 2) I intensely dislike the new IE7 interface, I find it non-intuitive
> and frustrating.  Some hours use would fix that, but is unlikely to
> happen due to 1).

According to my experiences, IE7 is faster than IE6. It is also faster
than Firefox in my experience (YMMV, Firefox does not like me,
especially under Ubuntu Linux). IE7 interface is a bit different
from IE6 but I have no problems with it even during the first use.
It is said that IE7 has some problems with some websites but
so far I have not encountered any problems.

But since you are happy with Firefox (many people are), there
is no compelling reason to upgrade to IE7. You do not need
IE7 to install Windows XP SP3 anyway.

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[Xiaofan Chen]

On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:55 AM, Jake Anderson <jake@...> wrote:
> The new flash player has fixed 99% of the firefox problems i have had.

I installed FlashBlock. It does not solve my stability problem
of Firefox under Ubuntu 8.04. Sometimes I still need to kill
the process in order to start a new one. It is not saying that
it crashed every day, but at least once or twice every week.

FreeBSD does not have Flash either. Under FreeBSD 7 release,
Firefox crashed even more often.

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[Nicola Perotto]

Xiaofan Chen wrote:
> According to my experiences, IE7 is faster than IE6.
"Faster" is only one feature of a software. And I think that for most of
us there are a lot more importants!

>  Firefox does not like me, especially under Ubuntu Linux
You are comparing a browser running in windows and a browser running in
linux. Are you joking???

> It is said that IE7 has some problems with some websites but
> so far I have not encountered any problems.
>  
If you try to develop a site than you can understand this problem :-((
> But since you are happy with Firefox (many people are), there
> is no compelling reason to upgrade to IE7. You do not need
> IE7 to install Windows XP SP3 anyway.
>
> Xiaofan
>  
The first law of informatics: till works dont touch it!
    Nic


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[Tamas Rudnai]

> According to my experiences, IE7 is faster than IE6. It is also faster
> than Firefox in my experience

I am using two addons, Fasterfox and Google Web Accelerator - with these two
it's flying. I believe Google Web Accelerator works with IE as well, but
some people does not like it as in this way Google "knows" which pages I am
visiting...

BTW: Apple Safari has far the fastest rendering engine in all my experiences
with it, however, the Web Accelerator does not work with it so browsing
pages other than the internal servers seems to be slower than with FireFox.

Tamas



On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Xiaofan Chen <xiaofanc@...> wrote:

> On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 9:05 PM, Michael Rigby-Jones
> <Michael.Rigby-Jones@...> wrote:
> >> I am happy with the advantages of IE7 fwiw. (Most notably
> >> tabbed browsing). I am not aware of why users do not wish to
> >> upgrade but no doubt there are some good reasons.
> >
> > 1) I use Firefox 99.99% of the time.
> > 2) I intensely dislike the new IE7 interface, I find it non-intuitive
> > and frustrating.  Some hours use would fix that, but is unlikely to
> > happen due to 1).
>
> According to my experiences, IE7 is faster than IE6. It is also faster
> than Firefox in my experience (YMMV, Firefox does not like me,
> especially under Ubuntu Linux). IE7 interface is a bit different
> from IE6 but I have no problems with it even during the first use.
> It is said that IE7 has some problems with some websites but
> so far I have not encountered any problems.
>
> But since you are happy with Firefox (many people are), there
> is no compelling reason to upgrade to IE7. You do not need
> IE7 to install Windows XP SP3 anyway.
>
> Xiaofan
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