Wiktionary logo

[Erik Moeller-4]

We currently seem to be using at least two different logos for Wiktionary:
http://vi.wiktionary.org/
http://en.wiktionary.org/

Has there been a community decision which one is to be preferred?

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[Gerard Meijssen-3]

Hoi,
There were people that insisted that there should be another logo.. Many
people did not agree and ignored it. So when the question is, was there a
vote sure .. what there agreement on it absolutely not. Is a vote a
community decision ... you tell me.
Thanks,
     GerardM

On Nov 13, 2007 8:30 PM, Erik Moeller <erik@...> wrote:

> We currently seem to be using at least two different logos for Wiktionary:
> http://vi.wiktionary.org/
> http://en.wiktionary.org/
>
> Has there been a community decision which one is to be preferred?
>
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[elisabeth anderl]

Please see
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wiktionary-l/ 01/02/03 2007
and also there seems a problem, because scrabble is a registered
trademark, see
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiktionary/logo#Trademark_infringement

Best regards,
Elisabeth Anderl (aka spacebirdy)

GerardM a écrit :

> Hoi,
> There were people that insisted that there should be another logo.. Many
> people did not agree and ignored it. So when the question is, was there a
> vote sure .. what there agreement on it absolutely not. Is a vote a
> community decision ... you tell me.
> Thanks,
>      GerardM
>
> On Nov 13, 2007 8:30 PM, Erik Moeller <erik@...> wrote:
>
>  
>> We currently seem to be using at least two different logos for Wiktionary:
>> http://vi.wiktionary.org/
>> http://en.wiktionary.org/
>>
>> Has there been a community decision which one is to be preferred?
>>
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[Dmcdevit]

Erik Moeller wrote:
> We currently seem to be using at least two different logos for Wiktionary:
> http://vi.wiktionary.org/
> http://en.wiktionary.org/
>
> Has there been a community decision which one is to be preferred?
>
>  
Erik,

There was a global (not Wiktionary) vote many months ago that decided
for the scrabble logo, which had very little support among actual
Wiktionarians, and was largely ignored. There is no standard logo. Some
projects adopted the scrabble logo anyway, but I can't speak for them.
Some of it may been from the mistaken belief that this was some
"official" logo mandated by the Foundation. For various reasons, not
just the copyright issue, en.wikt has very little love for that logo in
my experience--which is not to say that the current one is popular.
Basically, it's in permanent limbo, and most of us have returned to our
regular work and stopped bothering about it.

Dominic

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[Matthieu Barba]

Dmcdevit wrote:

> Erik Moeller wrote:
>  
>> We currently seem to be using at least two different logos for Wiktionary:
>> http://vi.wiktionary.org/
>> http://en.wiktionary.org/
>>
>> Has there been a community decision which one is to be preferred?
>>
>>  
>>    
> Erik,
>
> There was a global (not Wiktionary) vote many months ago that decided
> for the scrabble logo, which had very little support among actual
> Wiktionarians, and was largely ignored. There is no standard logo. Some
> projects adopted the scrabble logo anyway, but I can't speak for them.
> Some of it may been from the mistaken belief that this was some
> "official" logo mandated by the Foundation. For various reasons, not
> just the copyright issue, en.wikt has very little love for that logo in
> my experience--which is not to say that the current one is popular.
> Basically, it's in permanent limbo, and most of us have returned to our
> regular work and stopped bothering about it.
>
> Dominic

Hi,

the French Wiktionary adopted the logo in July via a general vote :
http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionnaire:Wikid%C3%A9mie/juillet_2007#Logo_:_Vote_.3F

I didn't participate in the discussions, but the main reasons looks like :
* the respect for the procedure used previously (the big vote) ;
* a need for a common logo, for some harmony with the other projects
like Wikipedia which has one logo ;

So we decided to change the logo (vi, ar, it are other projects that
have changed it seems). Right now, we keep it and prefer to contribute
to the dictionary itself (so much words too work on...).

As for me, as I agree that we should follow the procedure (that looked
somehow "official"), I would gladly work to make another logo, but this
time :
* with some kind of official approval, information and organisation from
the Foundation, or at least something official and approved by anyone ;
* a pre-work on the logo, to determine what we need, fix some limits e.g. :
- what colors can or cannot be used for example, what format to use,
fonts etc. ;
- respect of copyright things (the scrabble-like logo is not a good idea
imho) ;
- a need for a common and unique logo (even the new one can be changed
by the communities if they want, changing the central letter for example) ;
That way there would less surprises like the last time.
* a vote restricted to Wiktionarians maybe (I mean, the voters should at
least have an account to participate on something of this importance) ?

I'd be glad if we decided to make a new logo ("seriously" this time).
But for now I've got some work to do on my wiktio ;)


Darkdadaah at fr.wiktionary


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[elisabeth anderl]

Yes, the situation is confusing and I guess we would like to have a
uniform logo but as already stated in many further discussions (please see

http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wiktionary-l/ 01/02/03 2007) people of _Wiktionary_ did not very much like the new logo and therefore most communities did not change anything.

Furthermore there is still this copyright problem (scrabble is a copyrighted trademark), please read
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wiktionary/logo#Trademark_infringement
and also the not yet solved questions about which characters to choose in the logo.

It is a total chaos, imho.

Best regards,
Elisabeth Anderl (aka spacebirdy (de,is,es.wiktionary))



Husky a écrit :

> Of course, they can have a different name and in the case of the 'old'
> Wiktionary logo, also different text. But the general style of the
> logo should be the same for all language versions. This is not the
> case with the two Wiktionary logos, they are distinctively different.
> If you have a project that should be recognized all over the world, by
> anyone, without any confusion you shouldn't use two logos.
>
> Let's assume for example that the German Wikipedia would use a
> different logo than the English Wikipedia. That would be very
> confusing for everyone. A logo is the first thing people remember and
> notice about a website, and they use it to recognize it from other
> websites.
>
> -- Hay / Husky
>
> On Nov 14, 2007 1:53 PM, Thomas Goldammer <thogol@...> wrote:
>  
>> Ahoi.
>>
>> 2007/11/14, Husky <huskyr@...>:
>>    
>>> I think this should be an important issue. It can be confusing for
>>> people visiting the website in multiple languages. All projects should
>>> have an uniform logo.
>>>
>>>      
>> Why? They have different layouts of the entries, different
>> conventions, and of course they are in different languages. So why
>> shouldn't they have different logos? :o)
>>
>> Thogo. (de.wiktionary)
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