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Re: please help

2008-10-07T18:41:06Z

I'd say it's just a number, in German it would be 671 821 818,91 or
617.821.818,91 (617 Mio 821 thousand and so on), as in German . and ,
are used the other way round than in English.

Cheers
Wolfgang

On 10/8/08, erica lundein <13.erica.13@...> wrote:
> what could this # mean 617,821,818.91 or 617,820,951.81
> thank you Erica
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please help

2008-10-07T13:49:54Z

what could this # mean 617,821,818.91 or 617,820,951.81

thank you Erica

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Re: Wikipedia Survey | Translation help is needed for af, cs, es and id.

2008-09-25T10:37:32Z

Thank you so much for your overwhelmingly kind offer to support the translation effort for Wikipedia survey. I will get back to each of you who responded to my email, but I just wanted to say a big "Thank YOU".

- Naoko (Komura)

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:51 AM, Naoko Komura <nkomura@...> wrote:

Greetings,

My name is Naoko, I am coordinating the translation effort for Wikipedia Survey which is conducted by UNU-Merit and Wikimedia Foundation.

The translation of the survey for 16 languages* are almost complete, however small translation work, i.e., additional 16 country names and a dozen of question strings, is left for three languages, Afrikaans, Czech and Bahasa Indonesia. And review and additional translation work is needed for Spanish.

If you think you can help with the translation or review for the languages above, please contact me via email. I will discuss the details with you. Our hope is to get the translation completed within next two weeks.

*Currently, af, cs, de, el, eo, es, fr, id, it, ja, nl, pl, pt, ru, ta, th and vi are the candidates for the survey in addition to en.

Thanks and I look forward to hearing from you!

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Re: Wikipedia Survey | Translation help is needed for af, cs, es and id.

2008-09-25T06:24:22Z

Greetings,

I could offer my help to translate the survey into Bahasa Melayu, ms. Just let me know if you need my help.

Best regards,

Lim K.S

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Subject: [Translators-l] Wikipedia Survey | Translation help is needed for af, cs, es and id.

Greetings,

My name is Naoko, I am coordinating the translation effort for Wikipedia Survey which is conducted by UNU-Merit and Wikimedia Foundation.

The translation of the survey for 16 languages* are almost complete, however small translation work, i.e., additional 16 country names and a dozen of question strings, is left for three languages, Afrikaans, Czech and Bahasa Indonesia. And review and additional traslation work is needed for Spanish.

If you think you can help with the translation or review for the languages above, please contact me via email. I will discuss the details with you. Our hope is to get the translation completed within next two weeks.

*Currently, af, cs, de, el, eo, es, fr, id, it, ja, nl, pl, pt, ru, ta, th and vi are the candidates for the survey in addition to en.

Thanks and I look forward to hearing from you!

- Naoko

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Re: Wikipedia Survey | Translation help is needed foraf, cs, es and id.

2008-09-25T03:15:11Z

Dear Naoko ,

I am a freelance ENG<>urdu translator but i can also help you in the
following languages.

URDU PASHTO FARSI DARI ARABIC
العربية دَرِي فارسي پښتو
اُردو

If you have any need in any of these languages, please feel free to
contact me.

Sincerely,

ismael urduwala

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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 3:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Translators-l] Wikipedia Survey | Translation help is needed
foraf, cs, es and id.

> Naoko Komura wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> My name is Naoko, I am coordinating the translation effort for
>> Wikipedia Survey which is conducted by UNU-Merit and Wikimedia
>> Foundation.
>>
>> The translation of the survey for 16 languages* are almost complete,
>> however small translation work, i.e., additional 16 country names and
>> a dozen of question strings, is left for three languages, Afrikaans,
>> Czech and Bahasa Indonesia. And review and additional traslation work
>> is needed for Spanish.
>>
>> If you think you can help with the translation or review for the
>> languages above, please contact me via email. I will discuss the
>> details with you. Our hope is to get the translation completed within
>> next two weeks.
>>
>> *Currently, af, cs, de, el, eo, es, fr, id, it, ja, nl, pl, pt, ru,
>> ta, th and vi are the candidates for the survey in addition to en.
>>
>> Thanks and I look forward to hearing from you!
>>
>> - Naoko
>>
>>
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> Hello Naoko,
>
> hier is Ting. I just noticed that Chinese is not yet on it. Can you
> brief me so that I can also translate the Chinese part?
>
> Thank you very much
> Ting
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Re: Wikipedia Survey | Translation help is needed for af, cs, es and id.

2008-09-25T02:42:55Z

Naoko Komura wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> My name is Naoko, I am coordinating the translation effort for
> Wikipedia Survey which is conducted by UNU-Merit and Wikimedia
> Foundation.
>
> The translation of the survey for 16 languages* are almost complete,
> however small translation work, i.e., additional 16 country names and
> a dozen of question strings, is left for three languages, Afrikaans,
> Czech and Bahasa Indonesia. And review and additional traslation work
> is needed for Spanish.
>
> If you think you can help with the translation or review for the
> languages above, please contact me via email. I will discuss the
> details with you. Our hope is to get the translation completed within
> next two weeks.
>
> *Currently, af, cs, de, el, eo, es, fr, id, it, ja, nl, pl, pt, ru,
> ta, th and vi are the candidates for the survey in addition to en.
>
> Thanks and I look forward to hearing from you!
>
> - Naoko
>
>
>
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Hello Naoko,

hier is Ting. I just noticed that Chinese is not yet on it. Can you
brief me so that I can also translate the Chinese part?

Thank you very much
Ting

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Re: Wikipedia Survey | Translation help is needed foraf, cs, es and id.

2008-09-25T01:54:29Z

Sorry to hear that: it would be just a mistake.
Could you guys please give a look which Naoko <nkomura@...>
sent to the list (fyi she is a contractor as project manager working
at the SF office from this month) and contact her to get more
information?

Hope it is not too late and thank you for your continuous interest ;)

Cheers,

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Mohamed Magdy <mohamed.m.k@...> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Naoko Komura <nkomura@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Haytham hammam <haytham.hammam@...>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Shall you include Arabic?
>>
>> I would be happy to work with Arabic translators if there are folks who
>> are willing to take on the translation work. Arabic translation work for
>> the survey was not completed by the volunteers, thus it is not on the final
>> candidate list.
>
> FYI, I volunteered to work on it when asked [1] but I got no replies at that
> time from Erik.
>
> [1] =
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/translators-l/2008-June/000674.html
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Re: Wikipedia Survey | Translation help is needed foraf, cs, es and id.

2008-09-25T01:20:21Z

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Naoko Komura <nkomura@...> wrote:

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Haytham hammam <haytham.hammam@...> wrote:

Shall you include Arabic?
I would be happy to work with Arabic translators if there are folks who are willing to take on the translation work. Arabic translation work for the survey was not completed by the volunteers, thus it is not on the final candidate list.

FYI, I volunteered to work on it when asked [1] but I got no replies at that time from Erik.

[1] = http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/translators-l/2008-June/000674.html

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Re: Wikipedia Survey | Translation help is needed foraf, cs, es and id.

2008-09-24T23:51:35Z

Hi, I'm another Naoko (aka Aphaia) :)

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 6:12 AM, Naoko Komura <nkomura@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Haytham hammam <haytham.hammam@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> Shall you include Arabic?

If someone volunteers, I suppose they are happy to include Arabic. I
assume the lack of ar translation was due to Wikimania etc. Not
criticism, but then our ar volunteers were quite overloaded, as you
know.

It would be the good timing to revive [[m:Translation teams/ar]] if
you are interested in.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_teams/ar

Cheers,

>
> I would be happy to work with Arabic translators if there are folks who are
> willing to take on the translation work. Arabic translation work for the
> survey was not completed by the volunteers, thus it is not on the final
> candidate list.
>
> Please let me know if you would like to help or if you know other
> translators who may be able to help.
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Naoko
>
>>
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>> From: translators-l-bounces@...
>> [mailto:translators-l-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Naoko Komura
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:51 PM
>> To: Translators-l@...
>> Subject: [Translators-l] Wikipedia Survey | Translation help is needed
>> foraf, cs, es and id.
>>
>>
>>
>> Greetings,
>>
>> My name is Naoko, I am coordinating the translation effort for Wikipedia
>> Survey which is conducted by UNU-Merit and Wikimedia Foundation.
>>
>> The translation of the survey for 16 languages* are almost complete,
>> however small translation work, i.e., additional 16 country names and a
>> dozen of question strings, is left for three languages, Afrikaans, Czech and
>> Bahasa Indonesia. And review and additional traslation work is needed for
>> Spanish.
>>
>> If you think you can help with the translation or review for the languages
>> above, please contact me via email. I will discuss the details with you.
>> Our hope is to get the translation completed within next two weeks.
>>
>> *Currently, af, cs, de, el, eo, es, fr, id, it, ja, nl, pl, pt, ru, ta, th
>> and vi are the candidates for the survey in addition to en.
>>
>> Thanks and I look forward to hearing from you!
>>
>> - Naoko
>>
>>
>>
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Re: Wikipedia Survey | Translation help is needed foraf, cs, es and id.

2008-09-24T14:12:57Z

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Haytham hammam <haytham.hammam@...> wrote:

Shall you include Arabic?

I would be happy to work with Arabic translators if there are folks who are willing to take on the translation work. Arabic translation work for the survey was not completed by the volunteers, thus it is not on the final candidate list.

Please let me know if you would like to help or if you know other translators who may be able to help.

Thanks!

- Naoko

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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:51 PM

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Subject: [Translators-l] Wikipedia Survey | Translation help is needed foraf, cs, es and id.

Greetings,

My name is Naoko, I am coordinating the translation effort for Wikipedia Survey which is conducted by UNU-Merit and Wikimedia Foundation.

The translation of the survey for 16 languages* are almost complete, however small translation work, i.e., additional 16 country names and a dozen of question strings, is left for three languages, Afrikaans, Czech and Bahasa Indonesia. And review and additional traslation work is needed for Spanish.

If you think you can help with the translation or review for the languages above, please contact me via email. I will discuss the details with you. Our hope is to get the translation completed within next two weeks.

*Currently, af, cs, de, el, eo, es, fr, id, it, ja, nl, pl, pt, ru, ta, th and vi are the candidates for the survey in addition to en.

Thanks and I look forward to hearing from you!

- Naoko

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Re: Wikipedia Survey | Translation help is needed foraf, cs, es and id.

2008-09-24T13:24:47Z

Shall you include Arabic?

From: translators-l-bounces@... [mailto:translators-l-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Naoko Komura
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Re: Wikipedia Survey | Translation help is needed foraf, cs, es and id.

2008-09-24T13:22:43Z

Shall you include Arabic?

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Wikipedia Survey | Translation help is needed for af, cs, es and id.

2008-09-24T11:51:12Z

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Re: [Foundation-l] Arabic Wikipedia day(s) -- barnraising joys and results

2008-08-31T17:33:43Z

For the record, the day was organized across all of ar.wp , so Arabic speakers from all around the world participated, there was however two large teams: the one in Bib. Alex. that Samuel mentioned and one in Cairo in the Arab Academy for Science, Technology and Marine transport. As far as I know there was also some smaller focus groups elsewhere, and a LOT of people on IRC. And yes there was 685 distinct articles contributed, the goal was 1000 but people are pleased with the 685 result :) .

http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D9%8A%D9%88%D9%85_%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B9%D8%B1%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%A9_%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%A8%D8%B9

On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 2:04 PM, Florence Devouard <Anthere9@...> wrote:

Samuel Klein wrote:
> The Library of Alexandria (and Moushira and Abdel Rahman in particular)
> helped organize and host an Arabic Wikipedia day yesterday... if I read
> correctly, people contributed roughly 685 new articles in a day, and
> 4200 this month (increasing the project size by almost 1% in a day! and
> 6% this month). I looked at a selection from today, and nothing seemed
> scripted, /many/ contributors added new articles, including a number of
> anons. And it's good to see that the obligations imposed by the heavier
> volume is being taken seriously:
> http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%86
> http://www.bibalex.org/english/media/NewsDetails.aspx?NewsID=2278
>
> I think Khaled Hosny and EGLUG in Cairo helped put on their own
> Wikipedia day(s?) earlier in August. There was certainly discussion of
> Arabic-language editing drives at Wikimania in Alexandria, but it's
> pretty awesome to see it taking place -- barnraisings are a good
> spectator sport (and motivation to practice a new language :-).
> Congrats to everyone involved, browsing the results made my night.
>
> SJ
> (who heard about the event but forgot during the day, and was reminded
> by the sitenotice when browsing ar:wp for something quite different...)

That's wonderful news !

Regarding participation from the (by large) area of the world, I spent a
while being bold on the french wikipedia in the past 2-3 days (active
deletionnist) and I was very pleased to note the very serious increase
in articles related to Marrocco. These are not always good ones, lot's
of stuff on small villages, famous sportmen, actresses etc... but this
is a very good sign that Wikipedia is now hosting a significant number
of editors in that country ;-) So, I thought it was very good news.

Ant

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Arabic Wikipedia day(s) -- barnraising joys and results

2008-08-30T23:37:32Z

The Library of Alexandria (and Moushira and Abdel Rahman in particular) helped organize and host an Arabic Wikipedia day yesterday... if I read correctly, people contributed roughly 685 new articles in a day, and 4200 this month (increasing the project size by almost 1% in a day! and 6% this month). I looked at a selection from today, and nothing seemed scripted, /many/ contributors added new articles, including a number of anons. And it's good to see that the obligations imposed by the heavier volume is being taken seriously:
http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%8A%D8%A7%D9%86
http://www.bibalex.org/english/media/NewsDetails.aspx?NewsID=2278

I think Khaled Hosny and EGLUG in Cairo helped put on their own Wikipedia day(s?) earlier in August. There was certainly discussion of Arabic-language editing drives at Wikimania in Alexandria, but it's pretty awesome to see it taking place -- barnraisings are a good spectator sport (and motivation to practice a new language :-). Congrats to everyone involved, browsing the results made my night.

SJ
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[Fundraiser 2008] Skype channel

2008-08-28T13:11:55Z

We've setup a chat on Skype[1] for translating and planning of the
2008 Fundraiser that will take place this fall. The good thing about
Skype is that unlike IRC, you get copies of the messages when you were
offline. If you have a Skype account, please join the public chat[2]
(link below). If you don't, you can get one by visiting
http://skype.com.

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Fwd: Donations FAQ, landing page updated

2008-08-13T17:36:09Z

FYI - bounced the first time due to CC to internal-l.

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Subject: Donations FAQ, landing page updated
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Some fundraising updates:

1) I've posted the updated donations FAQ to the WMF website, and
replaced the link in the landing page. I've also moved the title of
the old fundraising FAQ. Thanks to Sara & Delphine for helping write
this FAQ, and thanks to Sue & Rand for reviewing it.

2) I've updated the financial information graphic and text in the
fundraising landing page with up to date numbers.

3) I've removed completely the secondary bank information box - it
seems unnecessarily redundant with the primary donation form. I've
added the English text "You can donate via PayPal, credit card, bank
transfer, or check." to the primary donation box.

4) I've replaced the financial link at the bottom with a link to
up-to-date financial information.

I think that's it - these edits should all be traceable through my
contributions on wikimediafoundation.org. Edits to the Donate/xx
(xx=language) pages should be relatively straightforward.

I would appreciate help in rolling out these changes in the other
languages. Please note that Rand is currently planning the changes for
the next online fundraiser in October, and we will likely roll out a
new landing page then. These fixes are just an interim solution.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Note regarding status of privacy policy

2008-08-10T22:42:48Z

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Michael Snow <wikipedia@...> wrote:
> Sure, I'll wait an extra week before asking the board to vote, although
> I don't want to delay much beyond that.

Thank you for one extra week, and hope it works.
Dear translator, please give a look to meta draft, and if you have no
enough time to spare, at least make it sure your home wiki community
informed of this revision?

Cheers,

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Michael Snow <wikipedia@...> wrote:

> Aphaia wrote:
>> I found this thread now and forwarded it to translator-l, for asking
>> for translation, if they think it appropriate: but there are only four
>> days until the announced deadline.
>>
>> Michael, could you please extend it, say, one more week? For most of
>> non-English community, regarding the time of translation, even if they
>> luckily get their own language version of the draft, they may have
>> only one or two days. Still one week is shorter, but better than
>> nothing.
>>
> Sure, I'll wait an extra week before asking the board to vote, although
> I don't want to delay much beyond that. Work on this initiative started
> even before our April board meeting, and at some point this particular
> segment needs to be brought to a conclusion. Which is not to say the
> policy will never again be revised or revisited - Mike is still making
> revisions based on feedback he's received.
>
> I asked initially if there were any dealbreakers or aspects that were
> seriously misleading, and nobody's identified issues of that nature to
> me. So I'm still inclined to think the draft is good and, as a
> significant step forward from the existing policy, should be adopted
> "with all deliberate speed". I appreciate that there's considerable
> interest in how this relates to the Checkuser tool, even though that's
> mentioned only a handful of times. This draft is not trying to be the
> Checkuser policy, and as Sue has pointed out, that role and therefore
> the details of its policy are within the control of the community rather
> than the Wikimedia Foundation. But I certainly encourage people to
> review the policy and practices of their projects in light of the
> overall privacy policy.
>
> (I'm sorry, I thought I heard something there. Did somebody say
> Volunteer Council?)
>
> --Michael Snow
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Fwd: [Foundation-l] Note regarding status of privacy policy

2008-08-10T09:23:43Z

Hello,
there is an ongoing discussion on meta (and foundation-l) about
Privacy Policy revision. See the forwarded message from Michael Snow,
the new Wikimedia chair.

Currently feedback is mainly in English. If you think your translation
may help your community to get more involved, please do. Michael says
he will have the board vote on the current draft, if they don't here
anything until Friday. (Sorry for late notice!)

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From: Michael Snow <wikipedia@...>
Date: Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 11:37 AM
Subject: [Foundation-l] Note regarding status of privacy policy
To: foundation-l@...

I've been meaning to update you on our progress regarding the privacy
policy.

Several months ago, the board asked Mike Godwin to revise and update the
privacy policy. Mike consulted with his colleagues at the Electronic
Frontier Foundation, and then worked with his then-legal intern,
Shun-ling Chen, to create a first redraft which was posted to Meta at
the beginning of June. That engendered a lot of feedback, which Mike
reviewed. He found quite a bit of it useful, and incorporated it into a
subsequent redraft, which is available here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Draft_Privacy_Policy_June_19_2008
(note: despite the date in the page name, the current version is from a
later date, based on feedback from the June 19 version)

At our meeting in Alexandria, the board reviewed the status of the
policy, and seemed inclined to agree that this second version (at the
URL above) is fundamentally good, and an improvement on the current
policy. It's hard to write a privacy policy that's fun to read, but I
think this version is clear, thorough, responsible and accurate. It also
now includes a linkable table of contents, which will enable people to
easily link to subsections of the draft for reference. (When adopted, we
encourage you to link to the appropriate section from community policy
pages where they touch on privacy issues, rather than paraphrasing or
generating unofficial versions of the policy.)

The board intends to vote on this version, but before we do, I wanted to
provide one last opportunity for your feedback.

If you see something in this last draft that strikes you as a
dealbreaker: that is potentially misleading or seriously problematic for
any reason, please send me or Mike a note. If we don't hear anything
within a week, I will ask the board to vote on the current version for
formal adoption.

--Michael Snow

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Re: [Idea] Credit of translators

2008-08-07T08:58:25Z

Hi all;

I think that crediting translators would be marvelous, as most of
translators (may be)on Wikimedia projects are freelancers as in my case.
Hope that this effort would be fruitful.

Unified log-in user name: Haytham abulela

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Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 10:51 AM
To: Wikimedia Translators
Subject: [Translators-l] [Idea] Credit of translators

Hi there,
how do you think to be credited as a translator on your Wikimedia
translation?

On our presentation at Wikimedia, how to motivate translators was a
topic. Giving them credit was suggested by Wing. I personally think
it a good idea - I see this feature on other projects, like Mozilla or
Global Village Online, and have thought how it could be implemented to
MediaWiki. And found myself not enough knowledgeable to suggest
detailed specifications.

Before bugging it to Bugzilla now, I would love to get your opinions.
I expect it isn't a simple extract of editors' list from history,
since it isn't equal to the list of translators, while it may make our
workload reduced, even if we finally have to edit the credit manually.

How do you think, dear translator?

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[Idea] Credit of translators

2008-08-04T23:51:12Z

Hi there,
how do you think to be credited as a translator on your Wikimedia translation?

On our presentation at Wikimedia, how to motivate translators was a
topic. Giving them credit was suggested by Wing. I personally think
it a good idea - I see this feature on other projects, like Mozilla or
Global Village Online, and have thought how it could be implemented to
MediaWiki. And found myself not enough knowledgeable to suggest
detailed specifications.

Before bugging it to Bugzilla now, I would love to get your opinions.
I expect it isn't a simple extract of editors' list from history,
since it isn't equal to the list of translators, while it may make our
workload reduced, even if we finally have to edit the credit manually.

How do you think, dear translator?

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Re: [Blog] Translation in Wikimedia project

2008-08-04T22:33:04Z

Oops
URL is: http://brianna.modernthings.org/article/125/translation-in-wikimedia-projects

On Tue, Aug 5, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Aphaia <aphaia@...> wrote:

> Hello,
> Brianna (user:pfctdayelise) covered our - me and Arria's -
> presentation at Wikimania 2008. Her entry includes some slides from
> Arria's talk, which was based on her survey. Thanks, Brianna, for
> your nice coverage.
>
> Brianna also introduces other confs and presentations about
> translation. Did / Will anyone attend these talks? If so, please do
> not hesitate to share what you get there ;)
>
> Cheers,
>
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>

[Blog] Translation in Wikimedia project

2008-08-04T22:32:36Z

Hello,
Brianna (user:pfctdayelise) covered our - me and Arria's -
presentation at Wikimania 2008. Her entry includes some slides from
Arria's talk, which was based on her survey. Thanks, Brianna, for
your nice coverage.

Brianna also introduces other confs and presentations about
translation. Did / Will anyone attend these talks? If so, please do
not hesitate to share what you get there ;)

Cheers,

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Re: many costly analyse the function phone call.

2008-08-02T22:47:16Z

Anders Wegge Jakobsen, Aug 2, 2008 19.19:

>Highly visible messages are translated locally on dawiki

Very bad. Actually, I see that there are not so many MediaWiki edits[1], and that the most active translator, Kaare, has just discovered Betawiki[2], so I hope that he will correct and update messages here.

Nemo

[1] http://toolserver.org/~vvv/adminstats.php?wiki=dawiki_p&tlimit=7884000

[2] http://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Betawiki:Translator&diff=prev&oldid=531551

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Re: Translators-l Digest, Vol 38, Issue 1

2008-08-02T21:36:33Z

I wonder how many of the translations from translatewiki that shows

such an outstandig quality as
<http://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Expensive-parserfunction-warning/da>
does.

The attempt at translating the original text, "Warning: This page
contains too many expensive parser function calls." to danish is
actually worse than what Googles translator suggests. An attempt to
translate back to english from the munged attempt at danish is
something like "Warning: This page also contains many costly analyse
the function phone call."

I lead the Persian translations to MediaWiki and its extensions, and to Wikimedia translations. I seem to be a bit obcessive about those translations in the first look; it is because I've experienced it over and over, that a non-programmer's translation of messages is usually incorrect or at least inaccurate. I don't question Betawiki, because I believe it is one of the greatest ideas to implement "wiki" nature into software translation; what I question is letting people with little understanding of programming, to translate such jargon-filled sentences and phrases, without even a "qqq" comment explaining to them what, for example, "parser call" is. We need to find an organized way to help interested people translate better.

Hojjat (aka Huji)

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Re: Translators-l Digest, Vol 38, Issue 1

2008-08-02T11:10:07Z

What comes to mind on issues with translations is just a page out of the Wikipedia Playbook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:BOLD

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Re: many costly analyse the function phone call.

2008-08-02T10:49:02Z

Having done contextual inquiries with a number of professional translators, and having done a bit of translation myself, I can attest that it is very hard to translate sentences out of context.

So being able to translate a sentence in context, for example by clicking on it in the actual UI where it appears, is bound to be superior.

Alain

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Sent: August 2, 2008 1:13 PM
To: Wikimedia Translators
Subject: Re: [Translators-l] many costly analyse the function phone call.

From personal experience I would say that its quite hard for 1) as a translator to guess at points where does a given sentence go, and what do the numerous "$1" become in use 2) as a visitor to a site using the translation to report or just know how and what to do to make the translation better.
I think a solution like that of Facebook might be good: if you enable it in the settings you would have a link in the corner that would say "translate" you could click on anything on that given page and either provide the translation for it, or review the translated version and the attached comments (which then would have to be sent to TranslateWiki somehow). Otherwise its quite tiresome for the end-user to go and find the actual sentence again on TWiki (as the search doesn't search in the MediaWiki namespace by default), and than make the change (or be turned away by fear of disrupting something, after seeing the dollar signs for the included sub-messages).

Regards,
Bence Damokos

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If it is, it is more than great I think. See also the thread about
http://jp.librarything.com
where they provide the registered users the way to evaluate the
current version, not only the opportunity to submit the alternative.

If the entire site has a feature to recommend an alternative to system
messages (since it is read-only for most visitors anyway), like Google
Translator gives its visitors, I think it better from the point of
proofreading, but not sure it is balanced with the other aspect &
workload.

>Then the quality of a translation could be ranked by
> the number of people who have looked at and validated it.
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Re: many costly analyse the function phone call.

2008-08-02T10:19:38Z

"Mohamed Magdy" <mohamed.m.k@...> writes:

> On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Anders Wegge Jakobsen <[1]wegge@...>
> wrote:

>> I will continue pointing out those hilarious examples of
>> worse-than-none translations that ensues from the naive thought that
>> anyone will ever proofread a translation, when it has first been
>> marked as translated.

> Naive thought.. why? I *do* proofread the translation. these errors
> you mention would be sorted out eventually.

Well, the practical example show that it does not happen. Highly
visible messages are translated locally on dawiki, but the fixes stay
there. The more obscure errors goes unnoticed unless I feel like
looking for confirmation of my prediction that it's just not possible
to get a decent danish translation by way of the chinese horde.

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Re: many costly analyse the function phone call.

2008-08-02T10:13:06Z

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Aphaia <aphaia@...> wrote:

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:54 AM, Erik Moeller <erik@...> wrote:
> 2008/8/2 Anders Wegge Jakobsen <wegge@...>:
>> I will continue pointing out those hilarious examples of
>> worse-than-none translations that ensues from the naive thought that
>> anyone will ever proofread a translation, when it has first been
>> marked as translated.
>
> Perhaps it would be possible to add basic validation functionality
> (not necessarily something as sophisticated as FlaggedRevs) to
> TranslateWiki?

If it is, it is more than great I think. See also the thread about
http://jp.librarything.com
where they provide the registered users the way to evaluate the
current version, not only the opportunity to submit the alternative.

If the entire site has a feature to recommend an alternative to system
messages (since it is read-only for most visitors anyway), like Google
Translator gives its visitors, I think it better from the point of
proofreading, but not sure it is balanced with the other aspect &
workload.

>Then the quality of a translation could be ranked by
> the number of people who have looked at and validated it.
>
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Re: many costly analyse the function phone call.

2008-08-02T10:07:47Z

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Anders Wegge Jakobsen <wegge@...> wrote:

I will continue pointing out those hilarious examples of
worse-than-none translations that ensues from the naive thought that
anyone will ever proofread a translation, when it has first been
marked as translated.

Naive thought.. why? I *do* proofread the translation. these errors you mention would be sorted out eventually.

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Re: many costly analyse the function phone call.

2008-08-02T10:05:46Z

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 1:54 AM, Erik Moeller <erik@...> wrote:
> 2008/8/2 Anders Wegge Jakobsen <wegge@...>:
>> I will continue pointing out those hilarious examples of
>> worse-than-none translations that ensues from the naive thought that
>> anyone will ever proofread a translation, when it has first been
>> marked as translated.
>
> Perhaps it would be possible to add basic validation functionality
> (not necessarily something as sophisticated as FlaggedRevs) to
> TranslateWiki?

If it is, it is more than great I think. See also the thread about
http://jp.librarything.com
where they provide the registered users the way to evaluate the
current version, not only the opportunity to submit the alternative.

If the entire site has a feature to recommend an alternative to system
messages (since it is read-only for most visitors anyway), like Google
Translator gives its visitors, I think it better from the point of
proofreading, but not sure it is balanced with the other aspect &
workload.