Nabble - WikiMedia Research

Using Wikipedia in schools

2008-10-06T19:32:40Z

Hi,

I recently gave a presentation at a teacher's conference about ways of
using Wikipedia in the classroom, talking about different types of
suitable projects. I will be giving it again to another teacher's
conference in late November, but this time it will be in a computer
lab, so it will be interactive.

Flash slides + audio -
<http://www.slideshare.net/pfctdayelise/safe-wiki-teaching-responsible-use-of-wikipedia-presentation?type=powerpoint>
Links and info - <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pfctdayelise/Safe_wiki>

I would appreciate any feedback people might have, especially if you
can think of other types of Wikipedia classroom projects that might
work, and also useful/cool history analysing tools that I might have
missed.

thanks,
Brianna

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Re: WikiScience announce

2008-10-02T03:53:13Z

On 10/2/08, Felipe Ortega <glimmer_phoenix@...> wrote:

Yes, the objective is to have an initial demo for December (hopefully, if travels and other work stuff let me dedicate enough time). The demo will include a CMS, integrating the wiki, as well as other tools for annotated Bibliography, a descriptive repository with information about wiki research tools (links, descriptions, manuals, examples, screenshots, etc), a directory of researchers (initially simple, but it will potentially evolve to a "mini-facebook" of researchers in due course), as well as research news, and sindication of blogs and external resources.

Thanks for clarifying, Felipe - sounds good. :-)

We are open to collaborate with any other interested research group/organization/foundation. The aim will be, after having a working demo on December (as a "proof of concept" of the usability and feasibility of our idea) to search interested organization/research programs to get fundings for a more formal initiative.

As Daniel said, I would really like to promote cooperation with other initiatives like Wikiversity. Our goal is not at all to *substitute* any other web place, but to *help* to index and find a lot of useful information about wiki tools, wiki researchers and wiki research working lines and methodologies, publications, etc. which is currently dispersed throughout a broader set of pages/sites.

That's great - I've signed up now, and posted an announcement to the English Wikiversity's Colloquium ('Village Pump' equivalent).

Cormac

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Re: WikiScience announce

2008-10-02T03:24:59Z

> I'm right now in Germany, with not very good connectivity, so I'll try to
> expand the main page and sections to provide more information.

If you happen to be in Berlin, come to the C-Base tonight, there's a Wikipedia
party going on :)

- daniel

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Re: WikiScience announce

2008-10-02T01:40:11Z

I've just created a dummy user and confirmed it (Yahoo! account) without problems ¿???

Maybe your provider is somehow greylisting mails from our domain?

We're checking exim4 config to see if there is a bug or not. All the same, MySQL says you're the only one user without confirmed e-mail, so I lean to think it's not a problem on our side :).

Bests,

F.

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> De: Daniel Kinzler <daniel@...>
> Asunto: Re: [Wiki-research-l] WikiScience announce
> Para: "Research into Wikimedia content and communities" <wiki-research-l@...>
> Fecha: miércoles, 1 octubre, 2008 1:09
> A technical issue:
>
> I created an account, but i'm unable to confirm my
> email address. I'm not
> getting any mail.
>
> Now, I know that my hoster is VERY strict about the mail
> protocol, and rejects
> anything that is even slightly divergent from the spec. Can
> you please check
> your log if a mail to brightbyte.de got bounced?
>
> -- daniel
>
> PS: doing this via the list because others may have similar
> problems
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Re: WikiScience announce

2008-10-02T01:00:40Z

--- El mié, 1/10/08, Cormac Lawler <cormaggio@...> escribió:

> De: Cormac Lawler <cormaggio@...>
> Asunto: Re: [Wiki-research-l] WikiScience announce
> Para: "Research into Wikimedia content and communities" <wiki-research-l@...>
> Fecha: miércoles, 1 octubre, 2008 2:11
> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Daniel Kinzler
> <daniel@...>wrote:
>
> > Michael Reschke schrieb:
> > > a virtual space promoting interaction and
> interdisciplinary research
> > > among wiki researchers around the world
> > >
> > > http://en.wikiversity.org
> > >
> > > so what?
> >
> > Uh... from the front page: "Wikiversity is a
> Wikimedia Foundation project
> > devoted to learning resources and learning projects
> for all levels, types,
> > and
> > styles of education from pre-school to university,
> including professional
> > training and informal learning."
> >
> > That is something complety different. The focus is on
> learning/teaching,
> > not on
> > research. And it's for learning about anything,
> not focused on researching
> > wikis. Cooperation with Wikiversity is of course a
> good idea, but it's be
> > no
> > means redundant.
>
>
> To clarify: it's incorrect that Wikiversity is not
> focused on research;
> research is one of the core focuses of Wikiversity,
> complementing learning
> resources and learning activities. Just like other learning
> 'institutions',
> research is seen as an educational activity, and as a
> driver of further
> knowledge and resources. It's always been a core focus
> to get researchers
> (including, but not limited to, on wikis) together on
> Wikiversity - to share
> and discuss each other's work, and to collaborate on
> further work. However,
> I admit this isn't so clear from the main page, so
> I'll edit that now. :-)
>
> Conversely, I'd also like a bit more clarity on what
> WikiScience aims to do,
> and how it aims to do it. For example, it seems that there
> is an explicit
> aim to integrate other tools alongside a wiki in this work
> - is that right?

Yes, the objective is to have an initial demo for December (hopefully, if travels and other work stuff let me dedicate enough time). The demo will include a CMS, integrating the wiki, as well as other tools for annotated Bibliography, a descriptive repository with information about wiki research tools (links, descriptions, manuals, examples, screenshots, etc), a directory of researchers (initially simple, but it will potentially evolve to a "mini-facebook" of researchers in due course), as well as research news, and sindication of blogs and external resources.

> It would be good, in general, to expand on its scope and
> vision - as well as
> an indication of the activity/people/organisation behind it
> so far. That
> might help set a foundation for further development and
> collaboration. ;-)
>

I'm right now in Germany, with not very good connectivity, so I'll try to expand the main page and sections to provide more information.

The initiative was launched at the first WIRW, co-located with the last WikiSym 08 at Porto, last September (I think I linked the description on the WikiScience front page). Currently, we at GSyC/Libresoft (http://libresoft.es) are leading the technical development, and we set up a virtual machine for the demo, and this wiki.

We are open to collaborate with any other interested research group/organization/foundation. The aim will be, after having a working demo on December (as a "proof of concept" of the usability and feasibility of our idea) to search interested organization/research programs to get fundings for a more formal initiative.

As Daniel said, I would really like to promote cooperation with other initiatives like Wikiversity. Our goal is not at all to *substitute* any other web place, but to *help* to index and find a lot of useful information about wiki tools, wiki researchers and wiki research working lines and methodologies, publications, etc. which is currently dispersed throughout a broader set of pages/sites.

Bests,

Felipe.

> Cheers,
> Cormac
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Re: WikiScience announce

2008-10-02T00:45:21Z

OK, I'll do it ASAP, we installed a very simple email server, but we tested it and everything was OK.

I'll let you know as soon as I discover the problem.

Thanks.

F.

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Re: WikiScience announce

2008-10-01T10:04:17Z

Hallo Felipe!

Sorry for confusing your name.

Greetings

Marc

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Re: WikiScience announce

2008-10-01T09:54:32Z

Hello Phillip,

Thanks for your initiative. I would appreciate an active wiki-research-
community.

And I agree with Michael. I think active research-communities would
strengthen the wikiversity project. As far as I see the border between
learning and research is not that hard in wikiversity. But maybe it is
more reasonable to talk about migrating the project, when it is active.

So I will give it a try. Happy birthday and good luck to wikiscience!

Best regards

EUR

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Re: WikiScience announce

2008-10-01T07:08:45Z

>> To clarify: it's incorrect that Wikiversity is not focused on
>> research; research is one of the core focuses of Wikiversity,
>> complementing learning resources and learning activities. Just like
>> other learning 'institutions', research is seen as an educational
>> activity, and as a driver of further knowledge and resources. It's
>> always been a core focus to get researchers (including, but not
>> limited to, on wikis) together on Wikiversity - to share and discuss
>> each other's work, and to collaborate on further work. However, I
>> admit this isn't so clear from the main page, so I'll edit that now. :-)
>>
>> Conversely, I'd also like a bit more clarity on what WikiScience aims
>> to do, and how it aims to do it. For example, it seems that there is
>> an explicit aim to integrate other tools alongside a wiki in this work
>> - is that right? It would be good, in general, to expand on its scope
>> and vision - as well as an indication of the
>> activity/people/organisation behind it so far. That might help set a
>> foundation for further development and collaboration. ;-)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Cormac

Ok now... I didn't mean to say that research how no place at Wikiversity - I was
just under the impression that it's not the main focus. But I may be wrong there.

In my mind, comparing the proposed research wiki to Wikiversity is odd, because
Wikiversity is so much broader in scope. Comparing it to Wikiversitie's
"Wikimedia Studies" portal
<http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Wikimedia_Studies> makes more sense to
me. And there is indeed some overlap.

Now, I don't know exactly what Filipe has in mind, but from what I understand of
Wikiversity, and what I would like WikiScience to be, here are the main points I
see for WikiScience:

* It would be a place to write abut individual projects, wiki engines,
frameworks, etc.
* WikiScience would be a place to collect, share and document individual tools
and libraries.
* WikiScience would offer additional services, such as a dedicated news feed or
a mailing list (though perhaps Wiki-research-l is sufficient, if we replace
"Wikimedia" in the title by "Wiki"). Maye there could even be a repository for
code and data.
* Bibliographies would of course also be important -- though I also see that for
Wikiversity. Maybe they could be federated somehow? (btw, cooperation with the
openlibrary is currently pondered)

In short, I imagine WikiScience would be the place for me to go when I want to
find a tool for a specific task, or discuss experiences with specific problems
with fellow researchers. While Wikiversity is where I would go when I want to
get an overview of the results of research done on wikis, to "learn about
wikis". Also, by nature, Wikiversity focuses on wikimedia, while WikiScience
would not automatically -- though of course Wikipedia is the most common
research subject.

Anyway... I don't think the effort is redundant, just like Wookipedia is not
redundant to Portal:Star_Wars. But we should of course be careful not to
fragment community and content. So, let's cooperate and work on making these
things *complementary*.

-- daniel

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Re: WikiScience announce

2008-10-01T05:32:49Z

Great, Felipe!

It's always good to see new initiatives and I hope that it is a
success for you and everyone involved. This list is a great place to
find support for such ventures, and I hope to see more new research
collaborations and resource sharing efforts succeed.

Andrea

PS. It was good to see you last month and thanks for your help with
the grant proposal efforts, btw! Fingers crossed. :)

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:39 AM, Felipe Ortega <glimmer_phoenix@...> wrote:

> Hello.
>
> We would like to announce the release of WikiScience, an initiative to create a virtual space promoting interaction and interdisciplinary research among wiki researchers around the world.
>
> So far, we have only one tool online (a wiki to collect contributions, and organize ideas to further develop this initiative). In the following weeks we want to develop additional services to finally create a demo site with some useful functionalities to pursue our gobal objectives (annotated bibliography support, network of researchers, list of research tools and documentation, etc.).
>
> You can access the wiki at http://wikiscience.libresoft.es/wiki, and help us with your ideas and contributions. If you also want to collaborate in developing services for the new demo, please let us know too.
>
> Best regards,
>
> F.
>
>
>
>
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Re: WikiScience announce

2008-10-01T05:17:28Z

On 01/10/2008, at 22:11, "Cormac Lawler" <cormaggio@...> wrote:

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Daniel Kinzler <daniel@...> wrote:
Michael Reschke schrieb:

> a virtual space promoting interaction and interdisciplinary research
> among wiki researchers around the world
>
> http://en.wikiversity.org
>
> so what?

Uh... from the front page: "Wikiversity is a Wikimedia Foundation project
devoted to learning resources and learning projects for all levels, types, and
styles of education from pre-school to university, including professional
training and informal learning."

That is something complety different. The focus is on learning/teaching, not on
research. And it's for learning about anything, not focused on researching
wikis. Cooperation with Wikiversity is of course a good idea, but it's be no
means redundant.

To clarify: it's incorrect that Wikiversity is not focused on research; research is one of the core focuses of Wikiversity, complementing learning resources and learning activities. Just like other learning 'institutions', research is seen as an educational activity, and as a driver of further knowledge and resources. It's always been a core focus to get researchers (including, but not limited to, on wikis) together on Wikiversity - to share and discuss each other's work, and to collaborate on further work. However, I admit this isn't so clear from the main page, so I'll edit that now. :-)

Conversely, I'd also like a bit more clarity on what WikiScience aims to do, and how it aims to do it. For example, it seems that there is an explicit aim to integrate other tools alongside a wiki in this work - is that right? It would be good, in general, to expand on its scope and vision - as well as an indication of the activity/people/organisation behind it so far. That might help set a foundation for further development and collaboration. ;-)

Cheers,
Cormac

Precisely Cormac, precisely.

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Re: WikiScience announce

2008-10-01T05:11:22Z

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 12:05 PM, Daniel Kinzler <daniel@...> wrote:

Michael Reschke schrieb:

> a virtual space promoting interaction and interdisciplinary research
> among wiki researchers around the world
>
> http://en.wikiversity.org
>
> so what?

Uh... from the front page: "Wikiversity is a Wikimedia Foundation project
devoted to learning resources and learning projects for all levels, types, and
styles of education from pre-school to university, including professional
training and informal learning."

That is something complety different. The focus is on learning/teaching, not on
research. And it's for learning about anything, not focused on researching
wikis. Cooperation with Wikiversity is of course a good idea, but it's be no
means redundant.

To clarify: it's incorrect that Wikiversity is not focused on research; research is one of the core focuses of Wikiversity, complementing learning resources and learning activities. Just like other learning 'institutions', research is seen as an educational activity, and as a driver of further knowledge and resources. It's always been a core focus to get researchers (including, but not limited to, on wikis) together on Wikiversity - to share and discuss each other's work, and to collaborate on further work. However, I admit this isn't so clear from the main page, so I'll edit that now. :-)

Conversely, I'd also like a bit more clarity on what WikiScience aims to do, and how it aims to do it. For example, it seems that there is an explicit aim to integrate other tools alongside a wiki in this work - is that right? It would be good, in general, to expand on its scope and vision - as well as an indication of the activity/people/organisation behind it so far. That might help set a foundation for further development and collaboration. ;-)

Cheers,

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Re: WikiScience announce

2008-10-01T04:12:45Z

I don't believe Wikiversity was ever intended to be "only teaching" but about learning more generally - and that includes research.

I would like to see what it is that Wikiscience offers that is substantively different (technically or practically) from the already established wikiversity. Perhaps these "other functionalities" in the future will indeed do that, I don't know.

But, generally speaking, I would have thought it was preferred to have less projects with wider scope rather than a multitude of projects with very narrow scope.

-Liam Wyatt

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Wikipedia - [[User:Witty lama]]

On 01/10/2008, at 9:05 PM, Daniel Kinzler wrote:

Michael Reschke schrieb:

a virtual space promoting interaction and interdisciplinary research
among wiki researchers around the world

http://en.wikiversity.org

so what?

Uh... from the front page: "Wikiversity is a Wikimedia Foundation project

devoted to learning resources and learning projects for all levels, types, and

styles of education from pre-school to university, including professional

training and informal learning."

That is something complety different. The focus is on learning/teaching, not on

research. And it's for learning about anything, not focused on researching

wikis. Cooperation with Wikiversity is of course a good idea, but it's be no

means redundant.

-- daniel

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Re: WikiScience announce

2008-10-01T04:09:21Z

A technical issue:

I created an account, but i'm unable to confirm my email address. I'm not
getting any mail.

Now, I know that my hoster is VERY strict about the mail protocol, and rejects
anything that is even slightly divergent from the spec. Can you please check
your log if a mail to brightbyte.de got bounced?

-- daniel

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Re: WikiScience announce

2008-10-01T04:05:21Z

Michael Reschke schrieb:
> a virtual space promoting interaction and interdisciplinary research
> among wiki researchers around the world
>
> http://en.wikiversity.org
>
> so what?

Uh... from the front page: "Wikiversity is a Wikimedia Foundation project
devoted to learning resources and learning projects for all levels, types, and
styles of education from pre-school to university, including professional
training and informal learning."

That is something complety different. The focus is on learning/teaching, not on
research. And it's for learning about anything, not focused on researching
wikis. Cooperation with Wikiversity is of course a good idea, but it's be no
means redundant.

-- daniel

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Re: WikiScience announce

2008-10-01T04:00:48Z

Felipe Ortega schrieb:
> Hello.
>
> We would like to announce the release of WikiScience, an initiative to create
> a virtual space promoting interaction and interdisciplinary research among
> wiki researchers around the world.

Great, I hope it takes off! Maybe it would hep to say what should go on the
wiki. Is it a place to write about your research project, or any research
project people know? About tools? Papers? People? Wiki engines? Defining the
scope is really important - and inviting people to add this stuff. now :)

> You can access the wiki at http://wikiscience.libresoft.es/wiki, and help us
> with your ideas and contributions. If you also want to collaborate in
> developing services for the new demo, please let us know too.

One thing I would suggest is a "WikiResearchPlanet" aggregated RSS feed. It
could be based on a wiki page where people can add (and remove) feeds to aggregate.

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Re: WikiScience announce

2008-10-01T03:58:30Z

a virtual space promoting interaction and interdisciplinary research among wiki researchers around the world

http://en.wikiversity.org

so what?

Yours Michael from Germany

2008/10/1 Felipe Ortega <glimmer_phoenix@...>

Hello.

We would like to announce the release of WikiScience, an initiative to create a virtual space promoting interaction and interdisciplinary research among wiki researchers around the world.

So far, we have only one tool online (a wiki to collect contributions, and organize ideas to further develop this initiative). In the following weeks we want to develop additional services to finally create a demo site with some useful functionalities to pursue our gobal objectives (annotated bibliography support, network of researchers, list of research tools and documentation, etc.).

You can access the wiki at http://wikiscience.libresoft.es/wiki, and help us with your ideas and contributions. If you also want to collaborate in developing services for the new demo, please let us know too.

Best regards,

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WikiScience announce

2008-10-01T03:39:38Z

Hello.

We would like to announce the release of WikiScience, an initiative to create a virtual space promoting interaction and interdisciplinary research among wiki researchers around the world.

So far, we have only one tool online (a wiki to collect contributions, and organize ideas to further develop this initiative). In the following weeks we want to develop additional services to finally create a demo site with some useful functionalities to pursue our gobal objectives (annotated bibliography support, network of researchers, list of research tools and documentation, etc.).

You can access the wiki at http://wikiscience.libresoft.es/wiki, and help us with your ideas and contributions. If you also want to collaborate in developing services for the new demo, please let us know too.

Best regards,

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WikiSym 2008 proceedings and Wikipedia research

2008-09-27T16:16:34Z

Hello everyone,

the WikiSym 2008 proceedings are now available on the web at

http://www.wikisym.org/ws2008/proceedings/

They will be available through the ACM Digital Library as soon as the
final workshop reports are in.

You may want to notice that they contain a fair amount of Wikipedia
research. We are proud of this and will keep supporting the Wikipedia
research community (as well as the general wiki research community).

The International Symposium on Wikis is an annual, archival (ACM Digital
Library), peer-reviewed conference dedicated to wiki research and
practice. To learn more, please visit our blog at

http://www.wikisym.org

and/or sign up for the mailing list(s) at

http://www.wikisym.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/

In 2009, WikiSym will be back to the U.S.A. in Orlando, FL.

With kind regards,

Dirk Riehle

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Phone: +1 (650) 215 3459, Web: http://www.riehle.org

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Re: non-techie in need of guidance - Template namespace

2008-09-18T09:15:40Z

You might ask the folks at Freebase http://www.freebase.com/ for help.
They gave a presentation at one of the SF-Bay area meetups recently
and described how they've managed to extract data about templates and
infoboxes from Wikipedia. I am fuzzy on the details but they can
probably help... I believe most of their code is open source.

-- Phoebe

On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Quse Guy <quseguy@...> wrote:

> Greetings all,
> Please excuse me if my message is inappropriate for this list, but I'm
> looking for a place to start and unsure where to begin.
>
> I'm trying to get some sense of the scope of the Template namespace on the
> English-language Wikipedia: anything from sheer numbers, to which templates
> are the most edited, to which are the most used (either in terms of total
> number of transclusions/What Links Here, or else actual number of "hits").
>
> To be a bit more specific, I'm particularly interested in those Templates
> which are in the following two categories:
> * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Navbox_(navigational)_templates
> * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Infobox_templates
> But both of these categories consist of a large number of subcategories,
> sub-sub-categories, sub-sub-sub-...categories, making it difficult to
> attempt even a basic count of all the Navbox and Infobox templates. Of
> course, determining which Navboxes and Infoboxes are the most edited or the
> most used would be impossible to ascertain manually.
>
> I haven't written an SQL statement since taking a database course in 1998,
> so I'm wary of downloading one of the database dumps and attempting to
> manipulate things on my own. Nor am I even certain that the data included
> in the dumps would allow me to aggregate across sub-sub-sub...categories, or
> derive edit counts or use counts.
>
> Perhaps there's a GUI tool or interface that would be helpful in compiling
> these stats? Or perhaps these statistics are readily available and I simply
> haven't looked in the right places :)
>
> Again, any advice on this matter would be most appreciated.
>
> Regards,
> David
>
>
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Re: non-techie in need of guidance - Template namespace

2008-09-18T07:01:41Z

2008/9/18 Quse Guy <quseguy@...>:

Your best bet is really to befriend a techie to construct the SQL
query for you, then submit it via the Query service:
<https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Query_service>

However............... you could kinda-sorta hack something together
using the API. <http://en.wikipedia.org/w/api.php>
<http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API>

Here's my examples using the Python client mwclient
<https://mwclient.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/mwclient/trunk/mwclient>
and the interactive Python commandline:

initialise stuff

>>> import mwclient
>>> site = mwclient.Site('en.wikipedia.org')
>>> topcat = 'Category:Infobox templates'

so first, try and get all the subcats below the topcat in the tree by
recursing (very crudely) through them. Note namespace 14 is the
Category namespace.

>>> allcats = []
>>> allcats.append(topcat)
>>> subcats = [p.name for p in site.Pages[topcat] if p.namespace==14]
>>> while len(subcats) > 0:
... newsubcats = []
... for s in subcats:
... allcats.append(s)
... newsubcats += [p.name for p in site.Pages[s] if p.namespace==14]
... subcats = newsubcats
...

(I'm actually not sure this works. I got bored and killed it, and
len(allcats) was already 429. It would be better to be more strict and
record which categories we have checked, to cut off potential cycles
in the category graph.)

Anyway, assuming that actually works, now we want to only get the
templates in those categories. Note the Template namespace is 10.

>>> alltemplates = []
>>> for cat in allcats:
... for p in site.Pages[cat]:
... if p.namespace == 10:
... alltemplates.append(p.name)
...

OK so now, for each template, we want to find out how many pages it is
embedded in. (Templates are embedded when they are referenced in
{{curly brackets}}, as opposed to regular old [[links]]). To be more
careful here there is probably a way to only get the embeddedin
results for the main namespace (ie, use in articles).

>>> embeddict = {}
>>> for t in alltemplates:
... template = site.Pages[t]
... embedtotal = len(list(template.embeddedin()))
... embeddict[t] = embedtotal
...

This also takes a particularly long time. (I killed my process so my
examples below are truncated)

>>> embeddict.values()
[1, 6, 60, 141, 2, 2, 47, 0, 88, 19, 2, 212, 186, 1, 595, 76, 17, 444,
13, 70, 15, 87, 5, 11, 0, 102, 25, 356, 289, 1, 272, 184, 14, 2, 0,
14, 7, 2, 1407, 20, 0, 7, 32, 19, 0, 63, 1065, 31, 57, 72, 0, 2, 47,
5, 797, 3, 16, 3, 43, 99, 295, 14, 22, 0, 10, 9, 150, 6, 1, 1, 132, 5,
6, 110, 7, 42, 200, 58]

We can get a bit of an idea of really high usage.

>>> for k in embeddict.keys():
... v = embeddict[k]
... if v > 1000:
... print k, v
...
Template:Infobox Website 1407
Template:Infobox Organization 1065

embeddict.keys() will also serve as a list of all the templates in
that whole category tree.

Determining the most edits could also be done via the API. But I would
question the relevance of this, as (A) all of these templates will be
highly nested and dependent on other templates, so perhaps they should
be considered too, and (B) all these templates are very likely to be
highly complex and the vast majority of users will be discouraged
implicitly and usually explicitly from editing them.

As for "hits", do you mean views of the Template: page? This can be
determined from some recent pageview statistics released
(<http://dammit.lt/wikistats/>, see <http://stats.grok.se/> as an
example), but probably more relevant is how many times the template is
viewed when it is used on articles.

You could try adding up the pageviews of the various articles a
template is embedded in (and again this is available via the API) and
this would probably be reasonably reliable, given that these templates
are at the top of pages and so if the article is loaded/viewed, very
likely the template is too. There is a slight difficulty in that it is
hard to figure out when the template was added to a particular
article; obviously pageviews before that time wouldn't have seen the
template. I suspect the only way to figure that out is to wade through
page revisions and that is also possible via the API :) but it gives
me a bit of a headache just thinking about it.

The people at DBPedia might be able to help you.
<http://dbpedia.org/About> I am pretty sure most of the data they
extract from Wikipedia is from these kinds of templates, so they
probably have a good bunch of tips and tricks to share, too.

<plug> I also wrote a blog post about the history of and attitudes to
templates on English Wikipedia, which you might find interesting,
although probably not statistically relevant. :)
<http://brianna.modernthings.org/article/83/templatology-an-essay>
</plug>

cheers,
Brianna

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Re: Wikimedia access data

2008-09-18T01:16:12Z

Dear Erik,
Is there anywhere that I can manage the access data to Chinese Wikipedia more easily? I am trying to visualize how Chinese Wikipedia is being accessed before and after the Olympics/block/unblock. It seems according to the current published wikistats, I have to do some painful 'reverse engineering'.
Best regards,

Liao,Han-Teng
DPhil student at the OII(web)
needs you(blog)
Erik Moeller wrote:

For those of you who haven't seen it, take a look at Domas' Mituzas wiki-stats:

http://dammit.lt/wikistats/

This is real, accurate hourly snapshot data on the access to Wikipedia
captured from the Wikimedia Squid servers. Project counts show the
total access in a time period to the different language editions.

This is great stuff for visualization, behavioral pattern analysis,
and other purposes. If you do something with it, let us know. :-)

URL may change in the future - we'll put a redirect on the above one
if that happens.

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non-techie in need of guidance - Template namespace

2008-09-17T18:49:35Z

Greetings all,
Please excuse me if my message is inappropriate for this list, but I'm looking for a place to start and unsure where to begin.

I'm trying to get some sense of the scope of the Template namespace on the English-language Wikipedia: anything from sheer numbers, to which templates are the most edited, to which are the most used (either in terms of total number of transclusions/What Links Here, or else actual number of "hits").

To be a bit more specific, I'm particularly interested in those Templates which are in the following two categories:
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Navbox_(navigational)_templates
* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Infobox_templates
But both of these categories consist of a large number of subcategories, sub-sub-categories, sub-sub-sub-...categories, making it difficult to attempt even a basic count of all the Navbox and Infobox templates. Of course, determining which Navboxes and Infoboxes are the most edited or the most used would be impossible to ascertain manually.

I haven't written an SQL statement since taking a database course in 1998, so I'm wary of downloading one of the database dumps and attempting to manipulate things on my own. Nor am I even certain that the data included in the dumps would allow me to aggregate across sub-sub-sub...categories, or derive edit counts or use counts.

Perhaps there's a GUI tool or interface that would be helpful in compiling these stats? Or perhaps these statistics are readily available and I simply haven't looked in the right places :)

Again, any advice on this matter would be most appreciated.

Regards,
David

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Put your name and project on meta:Research

2008-09-16T12:07:47Z

Hi all

apparently as a side effect of the "about wikipedia projects" thread, some
people (including myself) have started to put their names and projects on
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research>.

I encurrage everyone to do the same. It's a great way to get an overview and to
find people to talk to.

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Re: About Wikipedia projects

2008-09-16T09:55:55Z

Thank you all for the links! May I add something about the research
agenda set by the foundation. I guess that's the key to get some
research funding from the foundation.

http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Research_Goals

Piotr Konieczny wrote:

> Han-Teng Liao (OII) wrote:
>
>
>> I am looking forward to using Zotero for future collaboration. Even
>> now we can start using Zotero and share the references easily by
>> exporting the individual's local reference database onto the any wiki
>> pages via Wikipedia citation format.
>> http://www.zotero.org/
>> It has been speculated that Zotero will be mature and ready for real
>> collaborative citation. Hence I feel it might be a great way to start
>> your own citation database while contributing to the research community
>> via exporting them periodically.
>>
>
> The idea looks interesting, but it seems the plugin is firefox only (and
> I use SeaMonkey) :(
>
> In addition to the links provided, as always, I'll point out
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_in_academic_studies -
> the page which has the potential to be as good as, well, Wikipedia (and
> which, as far as I know, is the most comprehensive Wikipedia research
> database, since early this year I spend lots of time trawling other
> databases and updating this one). Do note it is Wikipedia only (not
> wikis in general).
>
>
>

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Re: About Wikipedia projects

2008-09-16T09:45:35Z

Han-Teng Liao (OII) wrote:

> I am looking forward to using Zotero for future collaboration. Even
> now we can start using Zotero and share the references easily by
> exporting the individual's local reference database onto the any wiki
> pages via Wikipedia citation format.
> http://www.zotero.org/
> It has been speculated that Zotero will be mature and ready for real
> collaborative citation. Hence I feel it might be a great way to start
> your own citation database while contributing to the research community
> via exporting them periodically.

The idea looks interesting, but it seems the plugin is firefox only (and
I use SeaMonkey) :(

In addition to the links provided, as always, I'll point out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_in_academic_studies -
the page which has the potential to be as good as, well, Wikipedia (and
which, as far as I know, is the most comprehensive Wikipedia research
database, since early this year I spend lots of time trawling other
databases and updating this one). Do note it is Wikipedia only (not
wikis in general).

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Re: About Wikipedia projects

2008-09-16T05:00:57Z

Hello Anne, hello Hanteng

It was fun to stay with you for WikiSym - I hope we'll meet again soon. We'll
probably justbump into each other at some conference :)

Anyway - Anne, you asked about "litterature about Wikipedia projects (and
portals) and their status in regards with the Wikipedia construction" -- I'm not
sure what you mean. To get an overview of the projects run by Wikimedia, see
<http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Our_projects>. A more or less complete list
is at <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Complete_list_of_Wikimedia_projects>. Or
maybe you are looking for something entirely different? "Wikipedia" is a
specific project (it's even a trademark). Not sure if a good overview of "wiki
portal" in general exists... there is
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_wiki_farms> but that's mostly about
places where you can start your own wiki.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wiki_communities> could also be a good
starting point. I'm not aware of any scientific research comparing wiki
communities -- would be interesting :) The WikiTracer thing may go into that
direction
<http://www.wikisym.org/ws2008/index.php/WikiTracer:_mapping_the_wikisphere>,
though it seems to me mostly about metrics for community dynamics.

Hanteng, thanks for the link to meta, I didn't even know that page :) which
shows that it's probably not very comprehensive -- or i'm not well informed.
<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Research_Bibliography> seems to be a good
starting point for looking for bibliographies, I have added a few links to
"folksonomic" collections. I have tried to use Zotero before, but didn't quite
get into it. It lacks the social, wiki-ish aspect. Bibsonomy is a bit better for
that, though not great. I have ranted about this a while ago here:
<http://brightbyte.de/page/The_Bibliography_Thing>. Even sparked some discussion.

In the long run, all this should be tied into a "wiki research planet" type
thing, independant of wikimedia. I look forward to exchange more ideas with more
people :)

Han-Teng Liao (OII) schrieb:

> Hello,
> The 'Research' page on the Meta is the first place to go.
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research
>
> I am looking forward to using Zotero for future collaboration. Even
> now we can start using Zotero and share the references easily by
> exporting the individual's local reference database onto the any wiki
> pages via Wikipedia citation format.
> http://www.zotero.org/
> It has been speculated that Zotero will be mature and ready for real
> collaborative citation. Hence I feel it might be a great way to start
> your own citation database while contributing to the research community
> via exporting them periodically.
>
> After I finished my proposal exam next Monday, I will begin to write
> how-to pages. For the moment, may I suggest we use the Meta page as
> portal?
>
> Best regards,
> hanteng
>
> Anne GOLDENBERG wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Hi Andrea,
>>
>> I'm looking for litterature about Wikipedia projects (and portals) and
>> their status in regards with the Wikipedia construction.
>>
>> I know that Andrea Forte mentionned that there's been a focus on
>> Wikipedia projects, I think it was during her presentation at Wikisym.
>> But any other references about this is also welcome :).
>>
>> Anne Goldenberg
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Re: About Wikipedia projects

2008-09-15T15:01:52Z

Hello,
The 'Research' page on the Meta is the first place to go.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research

I am looking forward to using Zotero for future collaboration. Even
now we can start using Zotero and share the references easily by
exporting the individual's local reference database onto the any wiki
pages via Wikipedia citation format.
http://www.zotero.org/
It has been speculated that Zotero will be mature and ready for real
collaborative citation. Hence I feel it might be a great way to start
your own citation database while contributing to the research community
via exporting them periodically.

After I finished my proposal exam next Monday, I will begin to write
how-to pages. For the moment, may I suggest we use the Meta page as
portal?

Best regards,
hanteng

Anne GOLDENBERG wrote:

> Hi all,
> Hi Andrea,
>
> I'm looking for litterature about Wikipedia projects (and portals) and
> their status in regards with the Wikipedia construction.
>
> I know that Andrea Forte mentionned that there's been a focus on
> Wikipedia projects, I think it was during her presentation at Wikisym.
> But any other references about this is also welcome :).
>
> Anne Goldenberg
>
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About Wikipedia projects

2008-09-15T10:50:24Z

Hi all,
Hi Andrea,

I'm looking for litterature about Wikipedia projects (and portals) and
their status in regards with the Wikipedia construction.

I know that Andrea Forte mentionned that there's been a focus on
Wikipedia projects, I think it was during her presentation at Wikisym.
But any other references about this is also welcome :).

Anne Goldenberg

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Re: Wikimedia access data

2008-09-05T22:00:50Z

Thanks for sharing the info. We are looking for the IP addresses as well, with anonymous names (like A, B, C) because we want to identify user sessions from the log.

Regards,
Phani

On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:22 AM, Reid Priedhorsky <reid@...> wrote:

Phanikumar Bhamidipati wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> We are two research students looking for Wikipedia access data. We tried to
> use the statistics available at http://dammit.lt/wikistats/. But, we would
> like to know these data in detail: drilled down to per page access, i.e.,
> triplets of the form <Page, IP, Date&Time>.
>
> Could you please let us know if we can get such information? The IP details
> can be anonymous, if required. We are only looking for a detailed Wikipedia
> page access log information.

Wikimedia was kind enough to share a 1/10 streaming sample of their
access logs with us and several other researchers. I do not know if they
still do this. It's a LOT of data: several gigs per day even after
compression. They consider IP addresses to be private data and share
only <Page, Date&Time>.

Our contact for this is Tim Starling, tstarling@... I think.

Reid

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Archives Wiki

2008-09-03T00:50:46Z

Dear All,

I've just been informed that the American Historical Association (AHA) has begun their own wiki: "Archives Wiki"

http://archiveswiki.historians.org/index.php/Main_Page

It is a media-wiki distribution and is intended to be a clearing house of information for historians about the various archives that professional historians use around the world - the opening hours, the quirky cataloging, the important collections etc etc.

The announcement was made in the association's fortnightly newsletter here:

http://www.historians.org/members/emails/2008/September/FortnightlyNews1.cfm#wiki

I encourage anyone who is a historian or uses archives in general to log in there and help out. This could be a very useful resource in its own right but also, if it works, will help break down the barriers to having more professional academics using and helping out on wikimedia projects.

All the best,

-Liam Wyatt

wikipediaweekly.org

Skype - Wittylama

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Re: Wikimedia access data

2008-09-02T12:52:26Z

Phanikumar Bhamidipati wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> We are two research students looking for Wikipedia access data. We tried to
> use the statistics available at http://dammit.lt/wikistats/. But, we would
> like to know these data in detail: drilled down to per page access, i.e.,
> triplets of the form <Page, IP, Date&Time>.
>
> Could you please let us know if we can get such information? The IP details
> can be anonymous, if required. We are only looking for a detailed Wikipedia
> page access log information.

Wikimedia was kind enough to share a 1/10 streaming sample of their
access logs with us and several other researchers. I do not know if they
still do this. It's a LOT of data: several gigs per day even after
compression. They consider IP addresses to be private data and share
only <Page, Date&Time>.

Our contact for this is Tim Starling, tstarling@... I think.

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Re: Wikimedia access data

2008-08-30T23:58:21Z

Have you tried: http://stats.grok.se/

This is not what you want exactly, but it does give detailed listings of pageviews per article.

I don't think you'll be able to find stats for viewing rates per IP address but I might be wrong. You can for editing stats, but not viewing stats.

Best,

-Liam

www.wikipediaweekly.org

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On 31/08/2008, at 4:10 PM, Phanikumar Bhamidipati wrote:

Hi All,

We are two research students looking for Wikipedia access data. We tried to use the statistics available at http://dammit.lt/wikistats/. But, we would like to know these data in detail: drilled down to per page access, i.e., triplets of the form <Page, IP, Date&Time>.

Could you please let us know if we can get such information? The IP details can be anonymous, if required. We are only looking for a detailed Wikipedia page access log information.

Thanks,
Phani

On Tue, Feb 19, 2008 at 3:42 AM, Erik Moeller <erik@...> wrote:

For those of you who haven't seen it, take a look at Domas' Mituzas wiki-stats:

http://dammit.lt/wikistats/

This is real, accurate hourly snapshot data on the access to Wikipedia
captured from the Wikimedia Squid servers. Project counts show the
total access in a time period to the different language editions.

This is great stuff for visualization, behavioral pattern analysis,
and other purposes. If you do something with it, let us know. :-)

URL may change in the future - we'll put a redirect on the above one
if that happens.
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