What does it take to program an ATMEGA 8515?

[James Newtons Massmind]

What is the cost of a device to ICSP (in circuit serial program) an
ATMEGA8515 16JC 0452C in a 44J package?

The datasheet shows which pins and actually gives some detail on the
signals, but I'll be darned if I can find anything on the Atmel page that
specifies a programming device for it.

Most likely I'm just going blind, but hopefully someone out there knows off
the top of their heads.

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[William Couture]

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 1:43 PM, James Newton <jamesnewton@...> wrote:
> What is the cost of a device to ICSP (in circuit serial program) an
> ATMEGA8515 16JC 0452C in a 44J package?
>
> The datasheet shows which pins and actually gives some detail on the
> signals, but I'll be darned if I can find anything on the Atmel page that
> specifies a programming device for it.
>
> Most likely I'm just going blind, but hopefully someone out there knows off
> the top of their heads.

Bringing up AVR Studio and going into tools, the AVRISP mkII
has the ATMega8515 on it's drop down list.  This is not a guarantee
that it will actually work, since I don't have that chip here to test it.

The AVRISP mkII is $35.91 at digikey.

Bill

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[Moses McKnight]

The AVRISP mkII can program all AVR 8-bit devices with an ISP interface.

http://www.atmel.com/dyn/products/tools_card.asp?family_id=607&family_name=AVR%AE+8%2DBit+RISC+&tool_id=3808

It can be bought from Mouser or DigiKey for about $36

Moses


On Fri, 2008-05-23 at 10:43 -0700, James Newton wrote:

> What is the cost of a device to ICSP (in circuit serial program) an
> ATMEGA8515 16JC 0452C in a 44J package?
>
> The datasheet shows which pins and actually gives some detail on the
> signals, but I'll be darned if I can find anything on the Atmel page that
> specifies a programming device for it.
>
> Most likely I'm just going blind, but hopefully someone out there knows off
> the top of their heads.
>
> James Newton: PICList webmaster/Admin
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[PicDude]

Last  time I looked into programming an Atmel, I found some low-cost entry-level programmers at sparkfun.

James Newtons Massmind wrote:

What is the cost of a device to ICSP (in circuit serial program) an
ATMEGA8515 16JC 0452C in a 44J package?
...

[John Samperi]

At 05:23 AM 24/05/2008, you wrote:
>Last  time I looked into programming an Atmel, I found some low-cost
>entry-level programmers at sparkfun.

DO NOT FALL for cheap programmers!! They cost a LOT more
in wasted time and dead chips.

The price of a real AVRISP is nothing even for a hobbiest,
so for a professional like James it should be a mandatory
purchase. :-)



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[Brian B. Riley]

... amen ... Atmel's AVRISP mkII In System Programmer is Mouser p/n:  
556-ATAVRISP2 and sells for $35.91 in qty=1! (plus shipping of course)  
It will, among many others, program an 8515.


On May 23, 2008, at 5:34 PM, John Samperi wrote:

> At 05:23 AM 24/05/2008, you wrote:
>> Last  time I looked into programming an Atmel, I found some low-cost
>> entry-level programmers at sparkfun.
>
> DO NOT FALL for cheap programmers!! They cost a LOT more
> in wasted time and dead chips.
>
> The price of a real AVRISP is nothing even for a hobbiest,
> so for a professional like James it should be a mandatory
> purchase. :-)
>
> Regards
>
> John Samperi

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[BryanW-3]

On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 10:34 PM, John Samperi
<samperi@...> wrote:

> At 05:23 AM 24/05/2008, you wrote:
>>Last  time I looked into programming an Atmel, I found some low-cost
>>entry-level programmers at sparkfun.
>
> DO NOT FALL for cheap programmers!! They cost a LOT more
> in wasted time and dead chips.
>
> The price of a real AVRISP is nothing even for a hobbiest,
> so for a professional like James it should be a mandatory
> purchase. :-)

The original AVRISP from the company that designed the original AVR
starter kits, now works from USB.
http://www.kanda.com/products/Kanda/AVRISP-U.html

And a note, Our handheld standalone programmer product is programmable
with USB also.
http://www.kanda.com/products/Kanda/HH0010U.html

Contact support or sales @ kanda.com and we will add any device which
may not be at this time supported. We try to keep the device support
up to date, but sometimes Atmel sneaks them past us. :)

BryanW
Software Engineer, Embedded Results ltd, t/a kanda.com
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[John Samperi]

At 08:13 AM 24/05/2008, you wrote:
>The original AVRISP from the company that designed the original AVR
>starter kits, now works from USB.

$59.00?? What do you get for the extra cost than an
AVRISP?...well apart from the 10W to 6 way adaptor,
or is that extra? :-)


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[William "Chops" Westfield]

>> DO NOT FALL for cheap programmers!! They cost a LOT more
>> in wasted time and dead chips.

Are you basing that on actual experience with cheap AVR programmers?  
My impression has been that due to fewer changes in technology, fewer  
chips, and perhaps a more forward-thinking algorithm, the "cheap" AVR  
programmers were more reliable than cheap PIC programmers, for example.

For instance, the cheap tiny11 programmer (serial port bit-bang) that  
I built works better than my STK-500 (which I never got to work for  
tiny11s.)

OTOH, many of the cheap designs use the PC parallel port, which is  
likely to have all the same problems of other parallel port  
programmers on modern PCs.

BillW

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[John Samperi]

At 09:36 AM 24/05/2008, you wrote:
>Are you basing that on actual experience with cheap AVR programmers?

I'm basing it on 7 years helping out people on Avrfreaks that
kill their chips with cheap programmer, especially parallel port
programmer with their confusing hex fuse setting software.

For me, I just do not want to exit Studio, all that I need is in
one IDE which works fairly well...apart from the occasional bug...

Having said that I started off with a PPP with the 4 resistors,
(233 MHz processor win 3.11) but once I started to use AVRs for
real I got an AVRISP, it just works.

I also have a STK500 and a Dragon which can be used as backup
programmers.

Regards

John Samperi

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[BryanW-3]

On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 12:16 AM, John Samperi
<samperi@...> wrote:
> At 08:13 AM 24/05/2008, you wrote:
>>The original AVRISP from the company that designed the original AVR
>>starter kits, now works from USB.
>
> $59.00?? What do you get for the extra cost than an
> AVRISP?...well apart from the 10W to 6 way adaptor,
> or is that extra? :-)

USB and NO firmware. So it won't update and never work again. Also its
the real price not the subsidised by marketing price. Oh and it has an
avrstudio plugin too, if you don't want to leave studio.
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