Warehouse

[webmonkey]

Hi All,

Construction is well underway at the new CNFractal Warehouse, thanks to
the efforts of Dave Strohbeen.

I did come across 2 files, the ownership it undertermined - someone
claim them:

1116805063_Melting Icicles.mp3

1148577361_Faith.mp3

We'll keep you updated on progress, and sometime soon let you know when
it is ready!

thanks,

PhilJ

 

[Dave Strohbeen]

Hi All,

The 'CNFractal Warehouse' is almost ready to open - you can check it out at http:/cnfractal.artsong.org/

Current 'CNFractal Warehouse' users do NOT need to re-register; we will automatically create accounts for you.  If you are already registered to use the current warehouse you should receive an activation email (at the email address we have on file for you) that contains your username and a randomly generated password.  You will need to activate within 24 hours of recieving the email or the entry gets automatically erased and you will need to manually register.  If you do not receive such an activation email within the next day (or so) then we probably do not have your current email address - you will have to manually register.

The new site provides capability for attaching reviews, comments, and ratings to uploaded files, and the ability for users to submit news items or articles of general interest to the group - these later items will appear on the main home page for all visitors to see.  Currently submission of most comments, reviews, news items etc, can be performed by any registered user of the warehouse website.  However, uploading files is limited to registered users of the warehouse site who are also registered members of the cnFractal users forum.  

Please note that initially all submissions will be reviewed prior to posting.

As you activate your accounts I will try to associate your uploaded files with your new account ids - please be patient.  As soon as current files are assigned I'll activate your account to enable Uploading.  You will be notified of the activation and a new link will appear on the Your_Account page that will take you to your file management controls.

A few Uploading differences to note:
1) each archive file must have a unique filename - we are no longer appending the numerical 'time stamps' to insure this.  If you are uploading a new version of a previously uploaded file; you will first need to DELETE your old file prior to uploading the new file.  Alternatively if you must keep multiple versions of a project you can name them sequentially as mycoolfile_v2, mycoolfile_v3, etc.  You can only delete/edit your own files.

2) Prior to uploading a new file -  To save time I recommend you search the archives for any existing file already using that filename.  The new upload facility will not allow you to over write an existing file (because it may not be yours); and it will not automatically rename your file.

3) Each user can individually control whether or not to receive email notifications of new file submissions - by toggling the 'receive newsletter' option on the Your_Account page.  

Comments and suggestions are welcome.

Dave S


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: pjfjacks
  To: cnfractal_music@...
  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:48 PM
  Subject: [cnfractal_music] Warehouse


  Hi All,

  Construction is well underway at the new CNFractal Warehouse, thanks to
  the efforts of Dave Strohbeen.

  I did come across 2 files, the ownership it undertermined - someone
  claim them:

  1116805063_Melting Icicles.mp3

  1148577361_Faith.mp3

  We'll keep you updated on progress, and sometime soon let you know when
  it is ready!

  thanks,

  PhilJ

   



   
  Yahoo! Groups Links





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[Dave Strohbeen]

Hi All,

The 'CNFractal Warehouse' is almost ready to open - you can check it out at http:/cnfractal.artsong.org/

Current 'CNFractal Warehouse' users do NOT need to re-register; we will automatically create accounts for you.  If you are already registered to use the current warehouse you should receive an activation email (at the email address we have on file for you) that contains your username and a randomly generated password.  You will need to activate within 24 hours of recieving the email or the entry gets automatically erased and you will need to manually register.  If you do not receive such an activation email within the next day (or so) then we probably do not have your current email address - you will have to manually register.

The new site provides capability for attaching reviews, comments, and ratings to uploaded files, and the ability for users to submit news items or articles of general interest to the group - these later items will appear on the main home page for all visitors to see.  Currently submission of most comments, reviews, news items etc, can be performed by any registered user of the warehouse website.  However, uploading files is limited to registered users of the warehouse site who are also registered members of the cnFractal users forum.  

Please note that initially all submissions will be reviewed prior to posting.

As you activate your accounts I will try to associate your uploaded files with your new account ids - please be patient.  As soon as current files are assigned I'll activate your account to enable Uploading.  You will be notified of the activation and a new link will appear on the Your_Account page that will take you to your file management controls.

A few Uploading differences to note:
1) each archive file must have a unique filename - we are no longer appending the numerical 'time stamps' to insure this.  If you are uploading a new version of a previously uploaded file; you will first need to DELETE your old file prior to uploading the new file.  Alternatively if you must keep multiple versions of a project you can name them sequentially as mycoolfile_v2, mycoolfile_v3, etc.  You can only delete/edit your own files.

2) Prior to uploading a new file -  To save time I recommend you search the archives for any existing file already using that filename.  The new upload facility will not allow you to over write an existing file (because it may not be yours); and it will not automatically rename your file.

3) Each user can individually control whether or not to receive email notifications of new file submissions - by toggling the 'receive newsletter' option on the Your_Account page.  

Comments and suggestions are welcome.

Dave S

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: pjfjacks
  To: cnfractal_music@...
  Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 8:48 PM
  Subject: [cnfractal_music] Warehouse


  Hi All,

  Construction is well underway at the new CNFractal Warehouse, thanks to
  the efforts of Dave Strohbeen.

  I did come across 2 files, the ownership it undertermined - someone
  claim them:

  1116805063_Melting Icicles.mp3

  1148577361_Faith.mp3

  We'll keep you updated on progress, and sometime soon let you know when
  it is ready!

  thanks,

  PhilJ

   



   
  Yahoo! Groups Links





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[Gavin Stevens-2]

Hi Phil & all,

Melting Icicles is by Richard P Kelly (his username was "untoweechja" or
similar).

Not sure about "Faith".

Gavin.

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:48:14 -0000
"pjfjacks" <pjackson1@...> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Construction is well underway at the new CNFractal Warehouse, thanks
> to  the efforts of Dave Strohbeen.
>
> I did come across 2 files, the ownership it undertermined - someone
> claim them:
>
> 1116805063_Melting Icicles.mp3
>
> 1148577361_Faith.mp3
>
> We'll keep you updated on progress, and sometime soon let you know
> when  it is ready!
>
> thanks,
>
> PhilJ
>
>  
>

[Gavin Stevens-2]

Hi Phil & all,

I found the composer of "Faith" - it is Carlos Needham.

Gavin.

On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 02:48:14 -0000
"pjfjacks" <pjackson1@...> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Construction is well underway at the new CNFractal Warehouse, thanks
> to  the efforts of Dave Strohbeen.
>
> I did come across 2 files, the ownership it undertermined - someone
> claim them:
>
> 1116805063_Melting Icicles.mp3
>
> 1148577361_Faith.mp3
>
> We'll keep you updated on progress, and sometime soon let you know
> when  it is ready!
>
> thanks,
>
> PhilJ
>
>  
>

[Victor Hugo-6]

Hi Dave & all:

Very, very thanks for this great job!

Best regards,
Victor H.

--- In cnfractal_music@..., "Dave Strohbeen"
<dstrohbeen@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> The 'CNFractal Warehouse' is almost ready to open - you can check
it out at http:/cnfractal.artsong.org/
>
> Current 'CNFractal Warehouse' users do NOT need to re-register; we
will automatically create accounts for you.  If you are already
registered to use the current warehouse you should receive an
activation email (at the email address we have on file for you) that
contains your username and a randomly generated password.  You will
need to activate within 24 hours of recieving the email or the entry
gets automatically erased and you will need to manually register.  
If you do not receive such an activation email within the next day
(or so) then we probably do not have your current email address -
you will have to manually register.
>
> The new site provides capability for attaching reviews, comments,
and ratings to uploaded files, and the ability for users to submit
news items or articles of general interest to the group - these
later items will appear on the main home page for all visitors to
see.  Currently submission of most comments, reviews, news items
etc, can be performed by any registered user of the warehouse
website.  However, uploading files is limited to registered users of
the warehouse site who are also registered members of the cnFractal
users forum.  
>
> Please note that initially all submissions will be reviewed prior
to posting.
>
> As you activate your accounts I will try to associate your
uploaded files with your new account ids - please be patient.  As
soon as current files are assigned I'll activate your account to
enable Uploading.  You will be notified of the activation and a new
link will appear on the Your_Account page that will take you to your
file management controls.
>
> A few Uploading differences to note:
> 1) each archive file must have a unique filename - we are no
longer appending the numerical 'time stamps' to insure this.  If you
are uploading a new version of a previously uploaded file; you will
first need to DELETE your old file prior to uploading the new file.  
Alternatively if you must keep multiple versions of a project you
can name them sequentially as mycoolfile_v2, mycoolfile_v3, etc.  
You can only delete/edit your own files.
>
> 2) Prior to uploading a new file -  To save time I recommend you
search the archives for any existing file already using that
filename.  The new upload facility will not allow you to over write
an existing file (because it may not be yours); and it will not
automatically rename your file.
>
> 3) Each user can individually control whether or not to receive
email notifications of new file submissions - by toggling
the 'receive newsletter' option on the Your_Account page.  
>
> Comments and suggestions are welcome.
>
> Dave S
>
>  

[Jim K]

I have a new 5 MB mp3 file that I would like to upload to share -
somehow I get "upload failed" at the warehouse. I tried a few names and
file types. Any suggestions on what I might try to get a new file
uploaded?

Thanks,
Jim

[webmonkey]

Hi Jim,

Were you here : http://cnfractal.artsongdirect.com/ 
at the new Warehouse site?  The old one is being
"decommissioned" ....and may well not work at all.

Phil J.
====================

> I have a new 5 MB mp3 file that I would like to upload to share -
> somehow I get "upload failed" at the warehouse. I tried a few names
> and
> file types. Any suggestions on what I might try to get a new file
> uploaded?
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
>
>
>
>  

[Jim K]

--- In cnfractal_music@..., PhilJackson <pjackson1@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> Were you here : http://cnfractal.artsongdirect.com/ 
> at the new Warehouse site?  

Yes, and I can see my existing files with the new names, where the time
date stamps have been removed.

It takes quite a while to get that "upload failed" message - I think it
does upload my 5MB, and then something gets grumpy. I have no idea
what, though!

Thanks,
Jim

[Dave Strohbeen]

Jim,

Sounds like a possible filenaming problem :

1) Have you searched the file archives to ensure that your attempted filename was not already in use (maybe by someone else)? - The new site no longer appends 'timestamps' to ensure unique filenames and the behavior you describe would occur if an newly uploaded file tried to use a filename already in use.

2) or If your filename has spaces or strange characters, try changing the filename to something without any spaces or other strange characters (I think you will need to do this on your computer prior to uploading)...  

Dave S
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jim K
  To: cnfractal_music@...
  Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 6:57 AM
  Subject: [cnfractal_music] Re: Warehouse upload


  --- In cnfractal_music@..., PhilJackson <pjackson1@...>
  wrote:
  >
  > Hi Jim,
  >
  > Were you here : http://cnfractal.artsongdirect.com/ 
  > at the new Warehouse site?  

  Yes, and I can see my existing files with the new names, where the time
  date stamps have been removed.

  It takes quite a while to get that "upload failed" message - I think it
  does upload my 5MB, and then something gets grumpy. I have no idea
  what, though!

  Thanks,
  Jim



   
  Yahoo! Groups Links




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[Jim K]

Thanks for the suggestions... I did have a space in the file name on
my computer. I tried again after fixing that - I even moved the file
so there were no blanks in the path name. Failed again! It takes
quite a while, so my guess is that it finds the file OK on my
computer.

The filename on my computer is now "micropun.mp3". I use that same
name as the title. I am shoosing "Music Files/MP3" as the file
category.

Happy to try any suggestions! Maybe other folks will have similar
difficulties, so the exercise is not for the sake of just this one
file.

Thanks,
Jim

--- In cnfractal_music@..., "Dave Strohbeen"
<dstrohbeen@...> wrote:
>
> Jim,
>
> Sounds like a possible filenaming problem :
>
> 1) Have you searched the file archives to ensure that your
attempted filename was not already in use (maybe by someone else)? -
The new site no longer appends 'timestamps' to ensure unique
filenames and the behavior you describe would occur if an newly
uploaded file tried to use a filename already in use.
>
> 2) or If your filename has spaces or strange characters, try
changing the filename to something without any spaces or other
strange characters (I think you will need to do this on your computer
prior to uploading)...  
>
> Dave S

[Dave Strohbeen]

Hi Jim,

I've run some tests and determined that the problem is not on your end... Upload still works for small files but for larger files (don't know the exact threshold value) either the file size or script execution time is causing an upload failure... I will need to find out what changes the host may have made that would have affected the upload script execution.

Dave S

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jim K
  To: cnfractal_music@...
  Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:58 AM
  Subject: [cnfractal_music] Re: Warehouse upload


  Thanks for the suggestions... I did have a space in the file name on
  my computer. I tried again after fixing that - I even moved the file
  so there were no blanks in the path name. Failed again! It takes
  quite a while, so my guess is that it finds the file OK on my
  computer.

  The filename on my computer is now "micropun.mp3". I use that same
  name as the title. I am shoosing "Music Files/MP3" as the file
  category.

  Happy to try any suggestions! Maybe other folks will have similar
  difficulties, so the exercise is not for the sake of just this one
  file.

  Thanks,
  Jim

  --- In cnfractal_music@..., "Dave Strohbeen"
  <dstrohbeen@...> wrote:
  >
  > Jim,
  >
  > Sounds like a possible filenaming problem :
  >
  > 1) Have you searched the file archives to ensure that your
  attempted filename was not already in use (maybe by someone else)? -
  The new site no longer appends 'timestamps' to ensure unique
  filenames and the behavior you describe would occur if an newly
  uploaded file tried to use a filename already in use.
  >
  > 2) or If your filename has spaces or strange characters, try
  changing the filename to something without any spaces or other
  strange characters (I think you will need to do this on your computer
  prior to uploading)...  
  >
  > Dave S




   
  Yahoo! Groups Links




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[webmonkey]

There should be a couple of values in the PHP.ini file that are used to
limit this
something like max_upload_size and max_file_size
Thinking that this is set to 3 MB by default.

PhilJ.
 

On Tue, 2007-12-18 at 11:31 -0600, Dave Strohbeen wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> I've run some tests and determined that the problem is not on your
> end... Upload still works for small files but for larger files (don't
> know the exact threshold value) either the file size or script
> execution time is causing an upload failure... I will need to find out
> what changes the host may have made that would have affected the
> upload script execution.
>
> Dave S
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jim K
> To: cnfractal_music@...
> Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:58 AM
> Subject: [cnfractal_music] Re: Warehouse upload
>
> Thanks for the suggestions... I did have a space in the file name on
> my computer. I tried again after fixing that - I even moved the file
> so there were no blanks in the path name. Failed again! It takes
> quite a while, so my guess is that it finds the file OK on my
> computer.
>
> The filename on my computer is now "micropun.mp3". I use that same
> name as the title. I am shoosing "Music Files/MP3" as the file
> category.
>
> Happy to try any suggestions! Maybe other folks will have similar
> difficulties, so the exercise is not for the sake of just this one
> file.
>
> Thanks,
> Jim
>
> --- In cnfractal_music@..., "Dave Strohbeen"
> <dstrohbeen@...> wrote:
> >
> > Jim,
> >
> > Sounds like a possible filenaming problem :
> >
> > 1) Have you searched the file archives to ensure that your
> attempted filename was not already in use (maybe by someone else)? -
> The new site no longer appends 'timestamps' to ensure unique
> filenames and the behavior you describe would occur if an newly
> uploaded file tried to use a filename already in use.
> >
> > 2) or If your filename has spaces or strange characters, try
> changing the filename to something without any spaces or other
> strange characters (I think you will need to do this on your computer
> prior to uploading)...
> >
> > Dave S
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>  

[Dave Strohbeen]

Hi Jim,

I think we got it.... you should be able to upload your file now.

thanks

Dave S

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jim K
  To: cnfractal_music@...
  Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 8:58 AM
  Subject: [cnfractal_music] Re: Warehouse upload


  Thanks for the suggestions... I did have a space in the file name on
  my computer. I tried again after fixing that - I even moved the file
  so there were no blanks in the path name. Failed again! It takes
  quite a while, so my guess is that it finds the file OK on my
  computer.

  The filename on my computer is now "micropun.mp3". I use that same
  name as the title. I am shoosing "Music Files/MP3" as the file
  category.

  Happy to try any suggestions! Maybe other folks will have similar
  difficulties, so the exercise is not for the sake of just this one
  file.

  Thanks,
  Jim

  --- In cnfractal_music@..., "Dave Strohbeen"
  <dstrohbeen@...> wrote:
  >
  > Jim,
  >
  > Sounds like a possible filenaming problem :
  >
  > 1) Have you searched the file archives to ensure that your
  attempted filename was not already in use (maybe by someone else)? -
  The new site no longer appends 'timestamps' to ensure unique
  filenames and the behavior you describe would occur if an newly
  uploaded file tried to use a filename already in use.
  >
  > 2) or If your filename has spaces or strange characters, try
  changing the filename to something without any spaces or other
  strange characters (I think you will need to do this on your computer
  prior to uploading)...  
  >
  > Dave S




   
  Yahoo! Groups Links




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[Jim K]

--- In cnfractal_music@..., "Dave Strohbeen"
<dstrohbeen@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> I think we got it.... you should be able to upload your file now.
>

I tried uploading again. This time I got "upload succeeded" - but I
don't see the new file listed in "Your Files" and it doesn't show up
when I search for it. The filename and title are both "micropun2.mp3" -
I tweaked it a bit since I first tried uploading!

Maybe it did upload and it is just hiding somehow?

Thanks,
Jim

[Dave Strohbeen]

Hi Jim,

The file is there... and an upload notice will have been sent to anyone subscribed to the 'newsletter' - but the file will not show up in your personal management area until an administrator adds it.  

You should find it now.

Dave S


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Jim K
  To: cnfractal_music@...
  Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 7:20 PM
  Subject: [cnfractal_music] Re: Warehouse upload


  --- In cnfractal_music@..., "Dave Strohbeen"
  <dstrohbeen@...> wrote:
  >
  > Hi Jim,
  >
  > I think we got it.... you should be able to upload your file now.
  >

  I tried uploading again. This time I got "upload succeeded" - but I
  don't see the new file listed in "Your Files" and it doesn't show up
  when I search for it. The filename and title are both "micropun2.mp3" -
  I tweaked it a bit since I first tried uploading!

  Maybe it did upload and it is just hiding somehow?

  Thanks,
  Jim




   
  Yahoo! Groups Links




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[Jim K]

--- In cnfractal_music@..., "Dave Strohbeen"
<dstrohbeen@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Jim,
>
> The file is there... and an upload notice will have been sent to
anyone subscribed to the 'newsletter' - but the file will not show up
in your personal management area until an administrator adds it.  
>
> You should find it now.
>
> Dave S

Yes, now I see it.

So here is a little blurb I wrote to explain the idea behind this
piece, micropun2.mp3:

The ideas behind this piece start with the Pythagorean principle that
harmonious combinations of notes have
frequencies with simple rational ratios. Based on this, the
straightfoward way to select a collection of notes,
out of which music is to be composed, is to select a collection of
rational numbers along with some root frequency.
This is the "just tuning" system, and it works well.

There are several problems, though, with just tuning. 1) It's not
hard to accumulate an unwieldy number of rational numbers
in even a single musical composition, resulting in a cumbersome
musical instrument. 2)  It becomes almost inevitable
 when one uses a single instrument to play many musical compositions,
especially when they can easily start off
on different notes and head in different directions - the collection
of rational numbers required keeps growing, the
more compositions one wants to play.

But the most curious problem with just tuning is 3) as noted by
Easley Blackwood in his book _The Structure of Recognizable
Diatonic Tunings_, the modern Western classical musical tradition
doesn't really adhere to the Pythagorean principle in
a strict way. There are many pairs of "simple" rational numbers that
differ by quite a small amount - one common musical
difference is 80:81. The ear cannot readily between such closely
spaced notes. Generally the musical context will make
it clear which precise note should fit. But what happens in Western
classical music from Bach to Mahler is that the complex
context creates ambiguity. Certain notes could fit into the context
in different ways, depending on exactly which rational
number their frequency corresponds to. But such precision would
destroy the musical ambiguity - and the ambiguity is a
crucial component in the way the musical composition works.

So it is really impossible to play modern classical music in just
tuning. The music is intimately tied to the 12 tone equal
temperament tuning system. In a tempered system, one note is used to
represent several just-tuned notes whose
frequencies are very close. Equal temperament systems have the huge
advantage of symmetry - every note has the same
harmonic environment. 12 tone equal temperament has a note very close
the the just perfect fifth, and a passable approximation
to a just major third. Obviously, it can be used to create great
music.

53 tone equal temperament should also have excellent harmonic
potential, from a mathematical perspective. It would be
difficult to build practical musical instruments with so many notes,
but there is no challenge in creating the notes when
using electronic synthesis. Composition is not so easy, though. Of
course one can simply transcribe any music that is
composed for just tuning. When the rational interpretation of notes
is ambiguous, as in modern classical music, then
transcribing from one tuning system to another is problematic. Each
tuning system clusters rationals in its own way,
thus creating its own ambiguities with their own compositional
opportunities. 53 note equal temperament demands new
music.

So what I am doing is attempting to explore some of the musical
possibilities of this terrain. I have imposed a sequence of
keys, each key being a preferred set of seven notes. As the note
sequence moves from key to key, some notes have
multiple interpretations in terms of rationals. I can't claim to be
able to hear this feature - right now it is more of a
mathematical exercise. So this project remains at an early stage -
this piece is just one step!

[Hans Stragier]

Re: micropun2.mp3

I cannot find it, but I also do not know where to look.  Can anyone point me
in the right direction?

thanks