WTT: 1.5G of PC2700 for 1G of PC100

[Bill Bradford]

On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 05:00:39PM +0100, Mark wrote:
> On 2 May 2008, at 14:54, Joshua Boyd wrote:
>> Also, keep in mind that MrBill needs 10.2 support.  How many people have
>> actually made sure that a flashed Geforce 5200 or 6200 will work with
>> 10.2?
> It might see dismissive but I'd probably advise people on 10.2 to upgrade,
> frankly.

Yes, I do, frequently (I even had one guy still running 10.1 a couple of
weeks ago), but my ultimate goal is to have this machine multi-booting:

OS9.2.2 (mostly for firmware updates, etc)
OSX 10.1.x
OSX 10.2.x
OSX 10.3.x
OSX 10.4.x

Right now my biggest hurdle is finding a 36G SCSI disk; all of my spares
are 18s.

FRANKENMAC WILL LIVE!

Bill

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[Joshua Boyd]

On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 05:00:39PM +0100, Mark wrote:
> On 2 May 2008, at 14:54, Joshua Boyd wrote:
> >Also, keep in mind that MrBill needs 10.2 support.  How many people  
> >have
> >actually made sure that a flashed Geforce 5200 or 6200 will work with
> >10.2?
>
> It might see dismissive but I'd probably advise people on 10.2 to  
> upgrade, frankly.

That would be my advice as well, but MrBill wants to help and he can do
what he wants.
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[Robert Darlington]

Understatement.  I was stuck running 10.2 and 10.3 for Uncle Sam.
Severe non-conformance problems.  Try making NIS work.  Try getting it
to recognize /bin/false when you want to lock out a user.  It doesn't
work.  I'm hopeful that they got this to work in 10.5.

Yah, yah, yah, don't use NIS.  Tell that to .gov.

-Bob

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 10:00 AM, Mark <md.benson@...> wrote:

> On 2 May 2008, at 14:54, Joshua Boyd wrote:
>
> > Also, keep in mind that MrBill needs 10.2 support.  How many people have
> > actually made sure that a flashed Geforce 5200 or 6200 will work with
> > 10.2?
> >
>
>  It might see dismissive but I'd probably advise people on 10.2 to upgrade,
> frankly.
>
>
>
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[Patrick Giagnocavo 717-201-3366]

What number of pins?

====
Right now my biggest hurdle is finding a 36G SCSI disk; all of my spares
are 18s.

FRANKENMAC WILL LIVE!

Bill

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[Dan Sikorski]

Joshua Boyd wrote:
> On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 05:00:39PM +0100, Mark wrote:
>  
>> It might see dismissive but I'd probably advise people on 10.2 to  
>> upgrade, frankly.
>>    
>
> That would be my advice as well, but MrBill wants to help and he can do
> what he wants.
>  

I think the point is that if someone asks Bill for help with something
relatively simple, he will have a reference machine to check and he can
give them an answer.  If someone has a problem with their printer on a
10.2 machine, suggesting that they upgrade would be just plain silly.  
An upgrade might be a good suggestion, but it won't fix their problem,
and some people just won't want to upgrade anyway.

    -Dan Sikorski
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[wa2egp]

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Bill Bradford <mrbill@...>

>
> On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 05:00:39PM +0100, Mark wrote:
> > On 2 May 2008, at 14:54, Joshua Boyd wrote:
> >> Also, keep in mind that MrBill needs 10.2 support.  How many people have
> >> actually made sure that a flashed Geforce 5200 or 6200 will work with
> >> 10.2?
> > It might see dismissive but I'd probably advise people on 10.2 to upgrade,
> > frankly.
>
> Yes, I do, frequently (I even had one guy still running 10.1 a couple of
> weeks ago), but my ultimate goal is to have this machine multi-booting:
>
> OS9.2.2 (mostly for firmware updates, etc)
> OSX 10.1.x
> OSX 10.2.x
> OSX 10.3.x
> OSX 10.4.x
>
> Right now my biggest hurdle is finding a 36G SCSI disk; all of my spares
> are 18s.
>
> FRANKENMAC WILL LIVE!
>
> Bill
>
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> Houston, Texas

Sounds like my Frankenbook. :)

Bob
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[Andrew Weiss]

On May 1, 2008, at 11:12 PM, Bill Bradford wrote:

> On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 09:21:52PM -0400, Andrew Weiss wrote:
>> Sure it is.  I had a version 1 for 6 years.  I just had it straight  
>> from
>> the factory with Ultra 2 LVD (Easy to get the 2940's).  In the end  
>> I had a
>> G4 550 Daystar, 1GB RAM, ATI Radeon Mac Edition, Superdrive  
>> (Pioneer 108),
>> Zip100, and a 72GB + a 9GB drive.  I was running 10.4 just fine  
>> with PCI
>> Extreme.  It was a great machine.
>
> Speaking of, is the Radeon Mac Edition the best PCI video card I'll  
> be able
> to throw into the machine? (and have it work with 10.2/10.3-and-up?)
>
> Bill

Pretty much.  The 7000 lacks the texture memory.  I heard rumor of the  
9200 working, but I don't think it offered much if any improvement.

Andrew

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[velociraptor]

Joost van de Griek wrote:

> My B&W G3 is a rev. 1 with 4-port FirmTek SATA card driving 80 (OS) and
> 250 (data) GB WD drives, 1.1 GHz PPC750FX, 1 GB RAM and a Radeon 9200.
> Makes a great server running Tiger (10.4). Only thing I need to add to
> it now, is a gigabit Ethernet card.

I'm thinking my Quicksilver + an IDE card would make a good backup
system with the TimeMachine system preferences hack for unsupported
network volumes if you could get software RAID 5 or a ZFS pool on there.
  Anyone heard anything about the "when" of full ZFS support on OS X?

A Quicksilver would certainly be quieter than using an unused PC, and
cheaper than a NAS appliance.

=Nadine=
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[velociraptor]

Bill Bradford wrote:

> On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 05:00:39PM +0100, Mark wrote:
>> On 2 May 2008, at 14:54, Joshua Boyd wrote:
>>> Also, keep in mind that MrBill needs 10.2 support.  How many people have
>>> actually made sure that a flashed Geforce 5200 or 6200 will work with
>>> 10.2?
>> It might see dismissive but I'd probably advise people on 10.2 to upgrade,
>> frankly.
>
> Yes, I do, frequently (I even had one guy still running 10.1 a couple of
> weeks ago), but my ultimate goal is to have this machine multi-booting:
>
> OS9.2.2 (mostly for firmware updates, etc)
> OSX 10.1.x
> OSX 10.2.x
> OSX 10.3.x
> OSX 10.4.x
>
> Right now my biggest hurdle is finding a 36G SCSI disk; all of my spares
> are 18s.
>
> FRANKENMAC WILL LIVE!

LOL.  I had a Mac IIc(something) FrankenMac back when I was working the
internal help desk at $network_juggernaut.  I used the SCSI cable from a
Solbourne to hang 3-4 500MB cast off server disks in it.  The lid of the
   Mac was left off and the disks were stacked up one on top and two
laying on the desk.

It was a lot faster for some things than the B&W NCD Xterms and had the
advantage of being color.

=Nadine=
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[Joost van de Griek]

On 04/05/2008, Nadine Miller <velociraptor@...> wrote:

> Joost van de Griek wrote:
>
> > My B&W G3 is a rev. 1 with 4-port FirmTek SATA card driving 80 (OS) and
>> 250 (data) GB WD drives, 1.1 GHz PPC750FX, 1 GB RAM and a Radeon 9200. Makes
>> a great server running Tiger (10.4). Only thing I need to add to it now, is
>> a gigabit Ethernet card.
>
> I'm thinking my Quicksilver + an IDE card would make a good backup system
> with the TimeMachine system preferences hack for unsupported network volumes
> if you could get software RAID 5 or a ZFS pool on there.  Anyone heard
> anything about the "when" of full ZFS support on OS X?

Last I heard, it went Beta. I haven't been paying much attention to
it, I just run HFS+, for now.

>> A Quicksilver would certainly be quieter than using an unused PC, and
>> cheaper than a NAS appliance.

I'm not closely acquainted with the G4 PowerMacs, having jumped from a
Cube to a G5, but I can imagin ethem being slightly better designed
than your average PC, much like the B&W G3's. Although there is still
room for improvement. Quieter fans can make a lot of difference.

I'm toying with the idea of switching from Mac OS X Server to
[Net|Open]BSD for the G3 server, since Tiger is the last supported
version (no XPostFacto voodoo possible, here; Leopard is compiled for
G4, and binarily impossible to run on G3 hardware).

.tsooJ
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[Michael-John Turner-2]

On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 01:27:02PM -0700, Nadine Miller wrote:
> I'm thinking my Quicksilver + an IDE card would make a good backup system
> with the TimeMachine system preferences hack for unsupported network
> volumes if you could get software RAID 5 or a ZFS pool on there.  Anyone
> heard anything about the "when" of full ZFS support on OS X?

Well, if you're prepared to use beta software, you can download a version
of ZFS with write support from the Apple Developer Connection. I haven't
tried it myself and I have heard that it's lacking some features, but it
may be worth investigating anyway.

-mj
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[velociraptor]

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 4:43 AM, Michael-John Turner <mj@...> wrote:

> On Sun, May 04, 2008 at 01:27:02PM -0700, Nadine Miller wrote:
>> I'm thinking my Quicksilver + an IDE card would make a good backup system
>> with the TimeMachine system preferences hack for unsupported network
>> volumes if you could get software RAID 5 or a ZFS pool on there.  Anyone
>> heard anything about the "when" of full ZFS support on OS X?
>
> Well, if you're prepared to use beta software, you can download a version
> of ZFS with write support from the Apple Developer Connection. I haven't
> tried it myself and I have heard that it's lacking some features, but it
> may be worth investigating anyway.

Thanks for the heads up, I may try that when I get back to Vegas.
It'd definitely require software RAID, to do it on the cheap, as IDE
RAID cards for Macs are still getting ridiculous prices on eBay.

=Nadine=
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[Michael-John Turner-2]

On Thu, May 08, 2008 at 02:15:07PM -0500, velociraptor wrote:
> Thanks for the heads up, I may try that when I get back to Vegas.
> It'd definitely require software RAID, to do it on the cheap, as IDE
> RAID cards for Macs are still getting ridiculous prices on eBay.

Something else you may want to check out: http://zfs.macosforge.org.
Apparently it's more up-to-date than the version of ZFS available from the
ADC.

-mj
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