WTT: 1.5G of PC2700 for 1G of PC100

[Bill Bradford]

I've got 1.5G of PC2700 RAM here (2 512s, 2 256s) that I'd like to trade
for 1G (4x256) of PC100 RAM that will work in a B&W PowerMac G3.

Bill

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[Mark Benson-2]

On 1 May 2008, at 06:20, Bill Bradford wrote:
> I've got 1.5G of PC2700 RAM here (2 512s, 2 256s) that I'd like to  
> trade
> for 1G (4x256) of PC100 RAM that will work in a B&W PowerMac G3.

FYI: Most PC133 works fine too, also be sure all 4 RAM modules are the  
same timing code (eg 2-2-2, 3-2-2 etc). Differences cause crashes and  
lockups in my extensive experience of B&W G3s (had one since 2000).
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[William Enestvedt]

Bill;

   Can a Blue & White G# actually address that much RAM? If not, I've
got a pair of 128MB PC133 Value RAM (a.k.a. Kingston) sticks that you
can have outright.

- Will
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[Mark Benson-2]

On 1 May 2008, at 13:54, William Enestvedt wrote:
> Bill;
>
>   Can a Blue & White G# actually address that much RAM?

Yes, 1GB is it's ceiling. If you want to max it you need 256MB strips,  
though.


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[William Enestvedt]

I'm fond of those systems, but I feel that putting that much RAM in them
is like mounting a spoiler on a pickup truck. :7)

- Will
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[Geoffrey S. Mendelson]

On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 08:54:10AM -0400, William Enestvedt wrote:

>    Can a Blue & White G# actually address that much RAM? If not, I've
> got a pair of 128MB PC133 Value RAM (a.k.a. Kingston) sticks that you
> can have outright.

It can hold 4 DIMMS. It can address up to 128 megabytes per set of
8 chips, so you can have 512m of RAM with 4 128m DIMMs, 1g of RAM
with 4 16 chip 256m DIMMs, or 512m of RAM with 4 8 chip 256m DIMMs.

The DIMMs have to have to be the same speed 100/133 and type, e.g.
2-2-2. For some reason you could assort them under OS9, but it won't
work under OSX.

IMHO it had better be a version 2 motherboard, otherwise, it's not
worth the effort. The best you will be able to do without extra
hardware is a single 10g IDE hard drive and if you replace the optical
drive a 16X PC CDROM or 4X DVD drive.

The motherboard will not support 66mHz DMA, but MacOS will try to use it,
so you need drives that are not capable of going faster than 33mHz. Apple
sold faster hard and optical drives which were "fixed" in the firmware.
The same fix was in OSX 10.0-10.2, but not 10.3 or later.

Geoff.

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[Bill Bradford]

On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 09:08:24AM -0400, William Enestvedt wrote:
> I'm fond of those systems, but I feel that putting that much RAM in them
> is like mounting a spoiler on a pickup truck. :7)

I'm answering 10-15 questions a day from people sending "help me" emails to
questions@....  The G3 was donated (I paid cost-of-shipping) by one
of the "readers" so that I can dual-boot 10.2/10.3/etc and try to
duplicate/reproduce problems people have with the older OSes.  So, I'd like
to have as much RAM as possible.

I'd prefer a G4, but I takes what I can gets.

Bill

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[Mark Benson-2]

On 1 May 2008, at 14:53, Bill Bradford wrote:

> I'd prefer a G4, but I takes what I can gets.

I've got an untested G4/400 ZIF here. I it got for my 8550 but it  
didn't like my ZIF carrier. Should drop straight into a G3 if you do  
Enable G4 the Firmware patch on it (should be available from Sonnet  
Technologies I think).

I can test it before I ship it, as I have a G4/500 B&W here already.  
It's yours if you are interested, just gimme a shipping address.  
Consider it a donation to SunHELP/MacHELP.

B&W PowerMacs won't run Leopard unfortunately. I've tried, on more  
than 1 occasion.


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[Joshua Boyd]

On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 09:08:24AM -0400, William Enestvedt wrote:
> I'm fond of those systems, but I feel that putting that much RAM in them
> is like mounting a spoiler on a pickup truck. :7)

I disagree with that assessment.  OSX clearly likes its RAM, so anything
you can feed it will extend the life of the system.
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[Joshua Boyd]

On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 01:43:23PM -0400, William Enestvedt wrote:

>    Oh, I said it was only a feeling, not anything factual. And I agree
> with you: OS X does perform better the more memory you give it --
> especially with a slow ol' ATA drive. But it does strike me that the
> kind of work I ever did on one of those computers (file server,
> NFS-to-AppleShare gateway, FileWave server, etc.) was pretty
> workmanlike, just like a pick-'em-up truck you haul with more than you
> race.
>
>    Though I hear there's a NASCAR circuit just for trucks....

I see quite a few trucks around where I live that give every appearence
of being built for drag racing.

There is one up the road that is something like a Sierra 1500.  It is
radically lowered (sits lower than my Jetta and must scrape terribly
over spead bumps), and it has the flared bed that usually goes over 4
rear tires, but instead it has 2 foot wide tires on the back.  It also
has one of those paint jobs that changes colored based on your angle to
the surface.

There is also a truck I drive past regularly that has the engine in the
rear frame sticking up through the bed.  This one hasn't particularly
been lowered, but it still does have very wide tires in the back.
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[William Enestvedt]

Bill;

   I can't give you a G4, but I asked our support guys to look for some
PC100 memory in their Big Ol' Box Of RAM. I have four Value RAM sticks,
256 MB each ( ).

   That sound good?

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[William Enestvedt]

Josh wrote:
> > I'm fond of those systems, but I feel that putting that much RAM in
them
> > is like mounting a spoiler on a pickup truck. :7)
>
> I disagree with that assessment.  OSX clearly likes its RAM, so
anything
> you can feed it will extend the life of the system.
>
   Oh, I said it was only a feeling, not anything factual. And I agree
with you: OS X does perform better the more memory you give it --
especially with a slow ol' ATA drive. But it does strike me that the
kind of work I ever did on one of those computers (file server,
NFS-to-AppleShare gateway, FileWave server, etc.) was pretty
workmanlike, just like a pick-'em-up truck you haul with more than you
race.

   Though I hear there's a NASCAR circuit just for trucks....

- Will
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[William Enestvedt]

*ahem* That's part number KVR100X64C2/256.

- will
P.S. Guess who had a 30-hour day on Tueasday/Wednesday for a data
cwenter shut-down? :7(
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[Mike Hebel]

*clatter* *clank* *ratchet* *DING!* Message from: Steve Hatle. Shall I
*bzzt**crackle* dispatch the *pop!* robotic Richard Simmons sir?

> On 5/1/08 12:44 PM, "William Enestvedt" wrote:
>
>> *ahem* That's part number KVR100X64C2/256.
>>
>> - will
>> P.S. Guess who had a 30-hour day on Tueasday/Wednesday for a data
>> cwenter shut-down? :7(
>
>
> Why should that take 30 hours? Hit the Big Red Button and BOOM data center
> is shut down.
>
> Should only take a minute or two at most...
>
> :-)

Provided the BRB doesn't activate the halon system...  :-)

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[Steve Hatle]

On 5/1/08 12:44 PM, "William Enestvedt" wrote:

> *ahem* That's part number KVR100X64C2/256.
>
> - will
> P.S. Guess who had a 30-hour day on Tueasday/Wednesday for a data
> cwenter shut-down? :7(


Why should that take 30 hours? Hit the Big Red Button and BOOM data center
is shut down.

Should only take a minute or two at most...

:-)

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[Bill Bradford]

On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 01:44:22PM -0400, William Enestvedt wrote:
> *ahem* That's part number KVR100X64C2/256.

I emailed you offlist.

> P.S. Guess who had a 30-hour day on Tueasday/Wednesday for a data
> cwenter shut-down? :7(

I've got one of those coming up next Friday.

Bill

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[Bill Bradford]

On Thu, May 01, 2008 at 01:03:01PM -0500, Steve Hatle wrote:
> Why should that take 30 hours? Hit the Big Red Button and BOOM data center
> is shut down.
> Should only take a minute or two at most...

My first day at $JOB-1 was like that.  I was sitting at my boss' desk,
filling out paperwork, when there suddenly came a quiet in the room (the DC
was on the other side of the wall).

People started popping up from cubes like a game of whack-a-mole, and then
everyone ran into the DC.

I walked in just in time to see the last bit of equipment with power in the
room, some EMC Symmetrix frames, shut down and go off their internal
emergency UPS backup.  It was eerily quiet.

What happened was that someone (who was new - but it WASNT me) had gone
into the other side of the DC and not shut the door properly, and it was
buzzing at her.  Someone else was waving at her to shut the door to make
the noise stop - so she figured that the big red button next to the door
was the "alarm stop" switch, right?

The following week EVERYONE in the building had to go through a short
course of "This is the PROTECTED[0] Big Red Switch.  This is what it
does, this is when you should and should not touch it, and if you touch
it without authorization you will be escorted out of the building and
your employment terminated." [1]

Bill

[0] Previously, it had not had any sort of protective cover, labeling,
etc - everyone just knew what it was.  Now it had a flip-up cover like
a fire alarm, along with descripive labeling.

[1] There was no corrective action taken against the perpetrator, as
she had not been properly educated on what the Big Red Button was,
and so forth.  The ribbing she got from her coworkers sufficed.

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[Sandwich Maker]

" From: Joshua Boyd <jdboyd@...>
"
" >    Oh, I said it was only a feeling, not anything factual. And I agree
" > with you: OS X does perform better the more memory you give it --
" > especially with a slow ol' ATA drive. But it does strike me that the
" > kind of work I ever did on one of those computers (file server,
" > NFS-to-AppleShare gateway, FileWave server, etc.) was pretty
" > workmanlike, just like a pick-'em-up truck you haul with more than you
" > race.
" >
" >    Though I hear there's a NASCAR circuit just for trucks....

has been for several years now, though the 'trucks' are just pastiche
bodies pasted over more-or-less regular nascar chassis.  they aren't
even close to fullsize.  nor are the races biathlon format - race a
few laps, stop and shoot at roadside targets...

" I see quite a few trucks around where I live that give every appearence
" of being built for drag racing.

there are folks that will dragrace anything with a motor.  there's an
active bunch racing cummins diesels, the b5.9 that normally makes
300hp.  they're up to 1500hp and 3000 ft-lbs and are having difficulty
finding transmissions that will stand up, even 1/4mi at a time.

serious mud boggers will place the engine in the middle; weight
distribution counts...
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[Carl R. Friend]

    On Thu, 1 May 2008, Sandwich Maker wrote:
> [There's been a NASCAR circuit for trucks and] has been for several
> years now, though the 'trucks' are just pastiche bodies pasted over
> more-or-less regular nascar chassis. [...] the races [are not]
> biathlon format - race a few laps, stop and shoot at roadside
> targets...

    Dammit.  Time to clean up the beer spray....

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[wa2egp]

> What happened was that someone (who was new - but it WASNT me) had gone
> into the other side of the DC and not shut the door properly, and it was
> buzzing at her.  Someone else was waving at her to shut the door to make
> the noise stop - so she figured that the big red button next to the door
> was the "alarm stop" switch, right?
>
> The following week EVERYONE in the building had to go through a short
> course of "This is the PROTECTED[0] Big Red Switch.  This is what it
> does, this is when you should and should not touch it, and if you touch
> it without authorization you will be escorted out of the building and
> your employment terminated." [1]
>
> Bill

That happened a number of years ago in my old school building.  We had a "computer" room with 30 desktops and a server.  I was at the door talking to a student who went to lean on the wall but nailed the button instead.  The outcry was amazing since it was the end of the year were all the term papers were due.  Took this poor kid a few minutes to realize what he did.  Obviously, never did it again. :)

Bob
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