WAV Titles

[Robert (Sandy) Noyes]

Gurus and Fellow Users -

Is it possible to attach track names to WAV files as is possible with
MP3 files?  I would like to put in selection name/track name, composer,
performing groups, etc.  Can it be done??

[acmeprecision]

I don't know very much about the topic, other than from what I've seen
(mostly on this list, but elsewhere as well) that .wavs don't support
tags, but to get around that, I have EAC name the files with an "@"
separating the specific information like artist, title, disc title,
etc.  I then pull that info out automatically with my library program
to manage the files.  Works well for most things, except on some
classical recordings, you have to be careful about getting filenames
that are too long and then truncated.

I'm just as eager to find better information about this as you are!



--- In eac@..., "Robert (Sandy) Noyes" <boojum@...> wrote:
>
> Gurus and Fellow Users -
>
> Is it possible to attach track names to WAV files as is possible with
> MP3 files?  I would like to put in selection name/track name,
composer,
> performing groups, etc.  Can it be done??
>

[James Thomas-7]

I'd love to know how to do this as well.  From everything I've read .WAV
files don't support tags.
 
~~Jim

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Subject: [eac] Re: WAV Titles



I don't know very much about the topic, other than from what I've seen
(mostly on this list, but elsewhere as well) that .wavs don't support
tags, but to get around that, I have EAC name the files with an "@"
separating the specific information like artist, title, disc title,
etc. I then pull that info out automatically with my library program
to manage the files. Works well for most things, except on some
classical recordings, you have to be careful about getting filenames
that are too long and then truncated.

I'm just as eager to find better information about this as you are!

--- In eac@yahoogroups. <mailto:eac%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Robert (Sandy)
Noyes" <boojum@...> wrote:
>
> Gurus and Fellow Users -
>
> Is it possible to attach track names to WAV files as is possible with
> MP3 files? I would like to put in selection name/track name,
composer,
> performing groups, etc. Can it be done??
>



 


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[Mike Richter-2]

Robert (Sandy) Noyes wrote:
> Gurus and Fellow Users -
>
> Is it possible to attach track names to WAV files as is possible with
> MP3 files?  I would like to put in selection name/track name, composer,
> performing groups, etc.  Can it be done??

Sorry: it is not possible. There is no space in the format for such a
tag. I do not know what would happen if you had an ID3 tag on an MP3 and
packaged that in a WAV envelope, but that would not serve your purpose
either. (And my guess is that it would not work - which is one reason
people no longer use WAV envelopes for MP3s.)

Have you considered tagging a lossless format such as FLAC or APE?

Mike
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[Robert (Sandy) Noyes]

Mike -

I am trying to tag tracks for a CD of chorale music I recorded and
mastered.  That is the deal.  Looks like they will have to be pleased
with the liner notes.  For what they have paid they will be pleased.

Thanks.  I pretty much knew WAV has no header space for that.  BWF has
header space, but not for track titles etc.  Such is life.


Cheers

Mike Richter wrote:

>
> Robert (Sandy) Noyes wrote:
> > Gurus and Fellow Users -
> >
> > Is it possible to attach track names to WAV files as is possible with
> > MP3 files? I would like to put in selection name/track name, composer,
> > performing groups, etc. Can it be done??
>
> Sorry: it is not possible. There is no space in the format for such a
> tag. I do not know what would happen if you had an ID3 tag on an MP3 and
> packaged that in a WAV envelope, but that would not serve your purpose
> either. (And my guess is that it would not work - which is one reason
> people no longer use WAV envelopes for MP3s.)
>
> Have you considered tagging a lossless format such as FLAC or APE?
>
> Mike
> --
> mrichter@... <mailto:mrichter%40cpl.net>
> http://www.mrichter.com/ <http://www.mrichter.com/>
>
>  

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[Mike Richter-2]

Robert (Sandy) Noyes wrote:
> Mike -
>
> I am trying to tag tracks for a CD of chorale music I recorded and
> mastered.  That is the deal.  Looks like they will have to be pleased
> with the liner notes.  For what they have paid they will be pleased.
>
> Thanks.  I pretty much knew WAV has no header space for that.  BWF has
> header space, but not for track titles etc.  Such is life.

If you're writing an audio CD (CD-DA), you're not writing WAVs per se.
The audio stream on a CD-DA track has the same bits as a WAV file, but
they are reorganized.

I gather what you want to do is to transfer some track information into
CDText on your final disc. Of course, you don't want to throw away
information with a lossy compression you don't need; that's why I
suggested a lossless compressor. It's possible that some lossless scheme
will let you tag the data and that an appropriate mastering program with
a suitable plugin will transfer them to CDText.

Mike
--
mrichter@...
http://www.mrichter.com/

[Robert (Sandy) Noyes]

Mike -

OK, I can do that with FLAC.  Cool idea.



Mike Richter wrote:

>
> Robert (Sandy) Noyes wrote:
> > Mike -
> >
> > I am trying to tag tracks for a CD of chorale music I recorded and
> > mastered. That is the deal. Looks like they will have to be pleased
> > with the liner notes. For what they have paid they will be pleased.
> >
> > Thanks. I pretty much knew WAV has no header space for that. BWF has
> > header space, but not for track titles etc. Such is life.
>
> If you're writing an audio CD (CD-DA), you're not writing WAVs per se.
> The audio stream on a CD-DA track has the same bits as a WAV file, but
> they are reorganized.
>
> I gather what you want to do is to transfer some track information into
> CDText on your final disc. Of course, you don't want to throw away
> information with a lossy compression you don't need; that's why I
> suggested a lossless compressor. It's possible that some lossless scheme
> will let you tag the data and that an appropriate mastering program with
> a suitable plugin will transfer them to CDText.
>
> Mike
> --
> mrichter@... <mailto:mrichter%40cpl.net>
> http://www.mrichter.com/ <http://www.mrichter.com/>
>
>  

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[LarsS]

Robert (Sandy) Noyes wrote:

> Gurus and Fellow Users -
>
> Is it possible to attach track names to WAV files as is possible with
> MP3 files?  I would like to put in selection name/track name, composer,
> performing groups, etc.  Can it be done??


Yes, it is possible with (for instance) Tag & Rename
http://www.softpointer.com/tr.htm just like a flac, ape or mp3.
However, the file will then be marked with "-e" when checked
with ShnTool (= "WAVE file contains [e]xtra chunks").
This tag will be stripped in certain programs if wav-file is "saved"
(or if the wav-file is converted to something else) or it may prevent
the wav-file to be converted (without stripping first).

/LarS



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[harphound]

"Robert (Sandy) Noyes" wrote:

> I am trying to tag tracks for a CD of chorale music
> I recorded and mastered.  That is the deal.  Looks
> like they will have to be pleased with the liner notes.
> For what they have paid they will be pleased.
>
> Thanks.  I pretty much knew WAV has no header space for
> that.  BWF has header space, but not for track titles
> etc.  Such is life.

Why not use a CUE sheet and burn off that, using either EAC or Burrrn.

If you rip a disc to WAVs + CUE that will give you an example of the
format.

I typically rip to a disc image + cue, so my cue sheets looks like the
following, and I don't recall the details for using multiple .WAV files.

REM GENRE Celtic
REM DATE 1999
REM DISCID 850DFD0A
REM COMMENT "ExactAudioCopy v0.95b4"
CATALOG 1001081264165
PERFORMER "Robin Huw Bowen"
TITLE "Hen Aelwyd (Old Hearth)"
FILE "Robin Huw Bowen - Hen Aelwyd (Old Hearth).wav" WAVE
  TRACK 01 AUDIO
    TITLE "Hen Aelwyd / Llif Ystwyth (Old Hearth / Ystwyth's Flow)"
    PERFORMER "Robin Huw Bowen"
    ISRC 404846400594
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
  TRACK 02 AUDIO
    TITLE "Morfa'r Frenhines (The Queen's Marsh)"
    PERFORMER "Robin Huw Bowen"
    ISRC 404846400594
    INDEX 00 04:32:67
    INDEX 01 04:32:69
[...]

--- Timothy

[John A. Fensome]

Dear LarsS

Yes, you can enter the file information to each track using the 'F2' key
for the track name instead of trying to
read it from freedb whatever. Just Press 'F2' where... EAC displays "01
- Track01" whatever EAC displays,

place your mouse over it, and then just press F2 for the first filename,
as you enter each filename with either
the [Return] (the one under backspace) you can then edit the next filename,
BEFORE you do the RIP!

Check each filename when you've completed filling in all the
Track-names, and if any are wrong or mis-spelt, then
just repeat the process.

When you have all the Track information completed (to save the data)
Select "Database" and "Submit" your info' off
to a minimum of two places, personally I use 'CDplayer.ini' and '.CDT'
file (where the filename will be selected from
the original "CD Title" that you entered.

Then you have all the data saved.  Iff (if & only if)  you also want to
save them off to a seperate list, then just "Submit" it
off into a TEXT file, entering the name when requested. I think that's
what you're asking for.

O.K. ?

Chow

John

LarsS wrote:

>Robert (Sandy) Noyes wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Gurus and Fellow Users -
>>
>>Is it possible to attach track names to WAV files as is possible with
>>MP3 files?  I would like to put in selection name/track name, composer,
>>performing groups, etc.  Can it be done??
>>    
>>
>
>
>Yes, it is possible with (for instance) Tag & Rename
>http://www.softpointer.com/tr.htm just like a flac, ape or mp3.
>However, the file will then be marked with "-e" when checked
>with ShnTool (= "WAVE file contains [e]xtra chunks").
>This tag will be stripped in certain programs if wav-file is "saved"
>(or if the wav-file is converted to something else) or it may prevent
>the wav-file to be converted (without stripping first).
>
>/LarS
>
>
>
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[Jeff-7]

Mike Richter said:

> I gather what you want to do is to transfer some track information into
> CDText on your final disc. Of course, you don't want to throw away
> information with a lossy compression you don't need; that's why I
> suggested a lossless compressor. It's possible that some lossless scheme
> will let you tag the data and that an appropriate mastering program with
> a suitable plugin will transfer them to CDText.

Burrrn will cheerfully accept tagged FLAC files as input and convert the
tags to CD-Text.