Validity of ICC in France

[Ian Litton]

I'm not clear, after reading the article on the new French licensing system in the latest Blue Flag, if a UK ICC still permits me to skipper our 22.96m Dutch barge on the French canals. Do I need to take a certificat Grande Plaisance? Can anyone clarify the situation?

Many thanks.

[Stewart MacLennan]

My question is similar to Ian's, but as our barge will be 17.5m, I'm wondering if we need a Permis Plaicance in addition to the ICC we plan to take in the UK?  Hoping someone can calify this.
Stewart MacLennan

Ian Litton wrote:

I'm not clear, after reading the article on the new French licensing system in the latest Blue Flag, if a UK ICC still permits me to skipper our 22.96m Dutch barge on the French canals. Do I need to take a certificat Grande Plaisance? Can anyone clarify the situation?

[Andy Soper]

The ICC with CEVNI endorsement is still valid in France for vessels up to 24m for visiting pleasure craft.  If you plan to take up residence or operate as business then you should obtain a PP /GP and in the latter case appropriate commercial licences.  
Tam has pointed out that the ICC with CEVNI will permit foreigners to sit the GP without taking PP first.
Hope that is clear!
Best Wishes
Andy

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Subject: Re: DBAm: Validity of ICC in France
From: Stewart MacLennan <s.maclennan@...>
Date: 11/07/2008 01:17


My question is similar to Ian's, but as our barge will be 17.5m, I'm
wondering if we need a Permis Plaicance in addition to the ICC we plan to
take in the UK?  Hoping someone can calify this.
Stewart MacLennan


Ian Litton wrote:
>
> I'm not clear, after reading the article on the new French licensing
> system in the latest Blue Flag, if a UK ICC still permits me to skipper
> our 22.96m Dutch barge on the French canals. Do I need to take a
> certificat Grande Plaisance? Can anyone clarify the situation?
>
>
>

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[Guy Toye]

'Morning all -

My reply is based on what I believe ought to happen - which is, now I
come to think of it, what all the replies will be based on.

The ICC is accepted in France as a valid certificate for a skipper.  The
limits of the ICC's validity are stated on it - the maximum length, the
maximum power and deadweight plus the area of validity - coastal or
inland.  These limits should be those for which you have been trained
and tested - so you shouldn't have a limit of 17.5m if you've been
tested on a boat of 12m (say), or have a coastal if you've only been on
the Grand Union (say).  Provided you and your ship are within the stated
limits you should be ok.

Best   -   Guy

Stewart MacLennan wrote:

> My question is similar to Ian's, but as our barge will be 17.5m, I'm
> wondering if we need a Permis Plaicance in addition to the ICC we plan to
> take in the UK?  Hoping someone can calify this.
> Stewart MacLennan
>
>
> Ian Litton wrote:
>  
>> I'm not clear, after reading the article on the new French licensing
>> system in the latest Blue Flag, if a UK ICC still permits me to skipper
>> our 22.96m Dutch barge on the French canals. Do I need to take a
>> certificat Grande Plaisance? Can anyone clarify the situation
>>    

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[Chris Moss-4]

Guy,

I've just checked my ICC and it clearly states "pleasure craft not
exceeding 24m". I got it after doing a day skipper practical course on
what was if I recall correctly a 12m sailing boat some years back. So I
don't think your caveat has any force legally. Of course, I'm not
recommending that someone avoids the proper training for the type of
boat they are intending to use. (But I currently have a 17.6m barge.)
There are limitations stated if, say, one hasn't been tested on coastal
waters.

Chris

Guy Toye wrote:
> These limits should be those for which you have been trained
> and tested - so you shouldn't have a limit of 17.5m if you've been
> tested on a boat of 12m (say), or have a coastal if you've only been on
> the Grand Union (say).  Provided you and your ship are within the stated
> limits you should be ok.
>  

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[Colin Stone]

Do 2007 PP qualifications remain valid??

[Mary Virtue]

We've just enjoyed a lovely summer in France as newbies on our barge.  We have the UK ICC and wonder if this also permits us to skipper the barge into Begium and Holland?  Anyone know?
Thanks
Mary

Ian Litton wrote:

I'm not clear, after reading the article on the new French licensing system in the latest Blue Flag, if a UK ICC still permits me to skipper our 22.96m Dutch barge on the French canals. Do I need to take a certificat Grande Plaisance? Can anyone clarify the situation?

Many thanks.

[Guy Toye]

Mary -

Holland officially accepts the ICC as a valid certificate to skipper a
craft
having the characteristics, or less, stated in the certificate (length,
deadweight, power) and in
the area of validity (coastal or inland waterways).  Belgium states that
"it has no objection to the
acceptance" of a certificate "issued by the authorities of another
country" - a rather vague approach
to the question!  In theory this means that they accept reciprocal
agreements.  However the ICC
is also issued by Governments and therefore should also normally be
accepted in Belgium as well.

HTH

Best   -   Guy

PS  If I can repeat David Beaumont's plea of the other day - do use the
Navigation List for this type of
question - you will get more reponses and normally from members with
better and/or more recent
information re conditions "on the continent".

Mary Virtue wrote:

> We've just enjoyed a lovely summer in France as newbies on our barge.  We
> have the UK ICC and wonder if this also permits us to skipper the barge into
> Begium and Holland?  Anyone know?
> ThanksMary -
>
>
>
>
> Mary
>
>
> Ian Litton wrote:
>  
>> I'm not clear, after reading the article on the new French licensing
>> system in the latest Blue Flag, if a UK ICC still permits me to skipper
>> our 22.96m Dutch barge on the French canals. Do I need to take a
>> certificat Grande Plaisance? Can anyone clarify the situation?
>>
>> Many thanks.
>>    

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