Ukraine is UA, not UK

[Simone Carletti]

Hi all,

I've just come across the folder http://framework.zend.com/fisheye/browse/Zend_Framework/trunk/documentation/manual/uk including the Ukraine translation.
I would suggest to rename the folder as UA as defined by ISO Country Codes.
http://www.nw.com/zone/iso-country-codes

What do you think?

Simone

[thomasW]

And I was already surprised why our British fellows need a own translation.
;-)

Greetings
Thomas Weidner, I18N Team Leader
http://www.thomasweidner.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Simone Carletti" <weppos@...>
To: <fw-docs@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:43 PM
Subject: Ukraine is UA, not UK

>
> Hi all,
>
> I've just come across the folder
> http://framework.zend.com/fisheye/browse/Zend_Framework/trunk/documentation/manual/uk
> including the Ukraine translation.
> I would suggest to rename the folder as UA as defined by ISO Country
> Codes.
> http://www.nw.com/zone/iso-country-codes
>
> What do you think?
>
> Simone
> --
> View this message in context:
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[Darby Felton]

http://uk.wikipedia.org

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language

ISO 639-1 is "uk"

I've copied Joseph, the lead translator for the Ukrainian translation,
for further discussion.

Best regards,
Darby

Simone Carletti wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I've just come across the folder
> http://framework.zend.com/fisheye/browse/Zend_Framework/trunk/documentation/manual/uk
> including the Ukraine translation.
> I would suggest to rename the folder as UA as defined by ISO Country Codes.
> http://www.nw.com/zone/iso-country-codes
>
> What do you think?
>
> Simone

[thomasW]

Beside the joke I made before, is darbys information right.

The language code for ukrainian is uk...
What Simone meant was the country code (UK/UA) which is not the language
code.

See here for language code:
http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php
See here for country code:
http://www.iso.org/iso/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/english_country_names_and_code_elements.htm#u..

So I would keep "uk", also because when you set ukrainian in your browser as
preferred language the browser will send "uk" and not "ua" !!

Greetings
Thomas Weidner, I18N Team Leader
http://www.thomasweidner.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darby Felton" <darby@...>
To: "Simone Carletti" <weppos@...>
Cc: <fw-docs@...>; "Joseph Chereshnovsky" <Joseph007@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Ukraine is UA, not UK

> http://uk.wikipedia.org
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language
>
> ISO 639-1 is "uk"
>
> I've copied Joseph, the lead translator for the Ukrainian translation, for
> further discussion.
>
> Best regards,
> Darby
>
> Simone Carletti wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've just come across the folder
>> http://framework.zend.com/fisheye/browse/Zend_Framework/trunk/documentation/manual/uk
>> including the Ukraine translation.
>> I would suggest to rename the folder as UA as defined by ISO Country
>> Codes.
>> http://www.nw.com/zone/iso-country-codes
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Simone

[Joseph Chereshnovsky]

Hello,

So, all is correct now.

"uk" language code was used according to "ISO 639-2" language codes table.

Thanks for explanation, Thomas.

Regards,
Joseph

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Weidner [mailto:thomas.weidner@...]
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 5:35 PM
To: Darby Felton; Simone Carletti
Cc: fw-docs@...; Joseph Chereshnovsky
Subject: Re: Ukraine is UA, not UK

Beside the joke I made before, is darbys information right.

The language code for ukrainian is uk...
What Simone meant was the country code (UK/UA) which is not the language
code.

See here for language code:
http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php
See here for country code:
http://www.iso.org/iso/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/english_country_nam
es_and_code_elements.htm#u..

So I would keep "uk", also because when you set ukrainian in your browser as

preferred language the browser will send "uk" and not "ua" !!

Greetings
Thomas Weidner, I18N Team Leader
http://www.thomasweidner.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "Darby Felton" <darby@...>
To: "Simone Carletti" <weppos@...>
Cc: <fw-docs@...>; "Joseph Chereshnovsky" <Joseph007@...>
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Ukraine is UA, not UK


> http://uk.wikipedia.org
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language
>
> ISO 639-1 is "uk"
>
> I've copied Joseph, the lead translator for the Ukrainian translation, for

> further discussion.
>
> Best regards,
> Darby
>
> Simone Carletti wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I've just come across the folder
>>

http://framework.zend.com/fisheye/browse/Zend_Framework/trunk/documentation/
manual/uk
>> including the Ukraine translation.
>> I would suggest to rename the folder as UA as defined by ISO Country
>> Codes.
>> http://www.nw.com/zone/iso-country-codes
>>
>> What do you think?
>>
>> Simone

[Simone Carletti]

I was not aware of this information. :)
I just read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ISO_639-2_codes

In this case, it's fine for me as well.

Simone

On Tue, Apr 22, 2008 at 4:35 PM, Thomas Weidner <thomas.weidner@...> wrote:

What Simone meant was the country code (UK/UA) which is not the language code.

[...] 

So I would keep "uk", also because when you set ukrainian in your browser as preferred language the browser will send "uk" and not "ua" !!

[wllm]

I was *actually* surprised that the Ukraine needed its own code, since
my impression was that all  Ukrainians are very comfortable reading
documentation in Russian. I have lots of Ukrainian friends here in the
states, and all of them tell me they can speak Russian much better than
Ukrainian at this point. It's probably a combination of the fact that
they represent the reality during the Soviet era more than today's
reality and they tend to spend a lot of their time with Russians
speaking Russian, but is the situation so different in the Ukraine now?
Are there people who can understand docs significantly better in
Ukrainian than in Russian?

Just curious. Plus, I'd love to get to know some of our Ukrainian
community members. :)

,Wil

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Weidner [mailto:thomas.weidner@...]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 7:35 AM
> To: Darby Felton; Simone Carletti
> Cc: fw-docs@...; Joseph Chereshnovsky
> Subject: Re: Ukraine is UA, not UK
>
> Beside the joke I made before, is darbys information right.
>
> The language code for ukrainian is uk...
> What Simone meant was the country code (UK/UA) which is not the
> language
> code.
>
> See here for language code:
> http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/code_list.php
> See here for country code:
>

http://www.iso.org/iso/country_codes/iso_3166_code_lists/english_countr

> y_names_and_code_elements.htm#u..
>
> So I would keep "uk", also because when you set ukrainian in your
> browser as
> preferred language the browser will send "uk" and not "ua" !!
>
> Greetings
> Thomas Weidner, I18N Team Leader
> http://www.thomasweidner.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Darby Felton" <darby@...>
> To: "Simone Carletti" <weppos@...>
> Cc: <fw-docs@...>; "Joseph Chereshnovsky"
> <Joseph007@...>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 3:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Ukraine is UA, not UK
>
>
> > http://uk.wikipedia.org
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_language
> >
> > ISO 639-1 is "uk"
> >
> > I've copied Joseph, the lead translator for the Ukrainian
> translation, for
> > further discussion.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Darby
> >
> > Simone Carletti wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I've just come across the folder
> >>
>

http://framework.zend.com/fisheye/browse/Zend_Framework/trunk/documenta
> tion/manual/uk
> >> including the Ukraine translation.
> >> I would suggest to rename the folder as UA as defined by ISO
Country
> >> Codes.
> >> http://www.nw.com/zone/iso-country-codes
> >>
> >> What do you think?
> >>
> >> Simone