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Tom's Boom Pin Question - My solution
by Arthur H. Czerwonky
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Rummy,
Given the unavailability of the car, and hopefully it is available from Stan, I stand by my interim recommendation. A replacement car is obviously the better long term choice. Additionally, I would have the boom supported in either upper or lower position by some means, if a replacement car is not fixed to the mast. What better temporary alternative do you recommend to a properly fitted screw? A fastpin is possible but may be too large. In no case would I allow the boom to be supported be the smaller PT fixture. We have have a different approach to sail management. Underway solo, if winds get heavy enough, I will first first shorten the mainsail and headsail versus lowering the boom. I would never leave the helm or cockpit in heavy or gusty wind conditions - not good headwork. If I had a reliable crew I might then lower the boom, and then possibly readjust the sails. Best resolution of all, as we have learned, is to anticipate wind conditions before getting underway. I also prefer the cockpit mobility available with the boom up. Ultimately, the greatest attribute of a good skipper depends on brain mass, not body mass. Chow, Art -----Original Message----- >From: R22RumRunner@... >Sent: Jul 16, 2008 8:39 AM >To: rhodes22-list@... >Subject: [Rhodes22-list] progress/bad advice > >Art, >Not good advice. A replacement car is readily available from GB. I wouldn't >use anything but an original replacement and certainly not a machine screw. >Being able to drop the boom is one of the easiest ways to adjust the rigging >for big winds. However, some of our Rhodies obviously have enough mass that >they don't have a need to lower the center of effort on their boat. :) > >Rummy > > >In a message dated 7/16/2008 7:44:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >czerwonky@... writes: > >Tom, >I wouldn't lose sleep over the archives issue. Our Rhoadie skippers, with >just a few exceptions, have enough patience with our fleet colleagues to >address specific questions like this, even given that many are repeated. Your >picture says it all - you can see both pins are the same - Stan will probably >not have a replacement, but can tell you where he gets the assembled 'car'. In >the interim, the boom will have to be moved up or down infrequently - I have >never had to put mine into the lower position - use a #6 machine screw (or >one with reasonable fit, including length) from HD to hold it in either >position, until you can replace the pin. Stan may be able to send you a >replacement car for a cost. >R, >Art > >-----Original Message----- >>From: Tom Hogarty <tjhogarty@...> >>Sent: Jul 15, 2008 7:42 PM >>To: rhodes22-list@... >>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] progress >> >> >>Thanks, Art, here is a picture of parts of the two "cars" on the lower >mast. >>I can see the indentation where the collar of the boom pin latch fit. How >>do I obtain and replace the pin? Does the mast need to be lowered? >>I did not find the archives helpful. >>Many Thanks, >>Tom http://www.nabble.com/file/p18477261/IMG_0657.jpeg >> >> >> >>Arthur H. Czerwonky wrote: >>> >>> Tom, >>> Re. the boom dropping - yes, there is a separate pin latch for each of the >>> two 'cars' that travel up and down the mast. Be aware that on the IMF >>> mast, when you adjust the upper car, the IMF sail and its furling tube >>> ride up or down the mast also, so additional weight is involved. I >>> believe the pin for the upper car will be 28 1/2 " above the base of the >>> mast. >>> Happy sailing on a spectacular boat! >>> Art >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>>From: Tom Hogarty <tjhogarty@...> >>>>Sent: Jul 13, 2008 9:33 PM >>>>To: rhodes22-list@... >>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] progress >>>> >>>> >>>>Mast went up on our newly named "acorn" this afternoon. Yoke and mast >>winch >>>>worked great as did the help from the documentation by former owner, Bob >>>>Dobson, this wonderful forum, and Stan's great engineering. Easy as >pie! >>>>Skiptress Alice cranked it all by herself. I had thought we would need to >>>>host a barn raising party, but we did it all by ourselfs. It did take >>much, >>>>much longer than 20 minutes, but we learned so much about our boat in the >>>>process. Acorn is still trailered at Holiday Hill on the Rhodes River >>south >>>>of Annapolis and has a mess of details to go before launch. I pulled the >>>>pin to lower the pop top mast attachment and the boom came down as well. >>Is >>>>there a separate control pin for the boom? The pin for the pop top >>>>attachment is on the starboard side of the mast. None on the port side >>>>where I might expect on for the boom. My archive search was not as yet >>>>helpful. >>>>Thanks, >>>>Tom Hogarty >>>>-- >>>>View this message in context: >>http://www.nabble.com/progress-tp18436119p18436119.html >>>>Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>> >>>>__________________________________________________ >>>>To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to >>http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>__________________________________________________ >>> >>> __________________________________________________ >>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to >>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>> __________________________________________________ >>> >>> >> >>-- >>View this message in context: >http://www.nabble.com/progress-tp18436119p18477261.html >>Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >>__________________________________________________ >>To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to >http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>__________________________________________________ > >__________________________________________________ >To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to >http://www.rhodes22.org/list >__________________________________________________ > > > > > >**************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music >scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! >(http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) >__________________________________________________ >To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list >__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ |
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Re: Tom's Boom Pin Question - My solution
by R22MikeW
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Rather than using screws and such, why not equip your on-board tool kit with
a few fast pins of various diameters and lengths to use temporarily or in emergencies. Next time you wander through WM or your favorite sail hardware website, just buy a couple of 3/16" to 1/4" diameter, 1", 2" and 3" pins to have when needed. In addition, I always carry scraps of wire (mostly 12-2 w/gnd) to use for whatever. Before I changed the cockpit seat drains to larger diameters, the wire was routinely used as a "snake" to clear debris. When I lost the fast pin below our boom, I used a piece of wire (with insulation) to secure it until I had replaced the pin. Mike s/v Shanghai'd Summer ('81) Nissequogue River, NY From: <R22RumRunner@...>Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:14 AM > Art, > The simple and proper solution is to order the replacement from GB. Stan > is > known for sending parts out quickly. In the interim, I would use a roofing > nail. It doesn't have coarse threads and it has a large head which will > keep it > from disappearing into the mast and it is galvanized which means it won't > rust. I replaced my cars with new factory replacements several years ago > and the > newer plastic holds up much better. > Different way to approach sail management in heavy air, but the majority > of > skippers will lower the boom prior to reducing sail. The main reason would > be > not to give up hull speed and still maintain control. If I know what the > winds are prior to going out, I will adjust the boom and the sheets > accordingly. > Making any further adjustments while out sailing are usually done after > furling all sail and then going forward if need be. Furling Jenny and > furling main > sail make it an easy proposition, unless you have had to much rum to > drink, > which I never do while sailing. > > Rummy > > > In a message dated 7/16/2008 9:55:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > czerwonky@... writes: > > Rummy, > > Given the unavailability of the car, and hopefully it is available from > Stan, I stand by my interim recommendation. A replacement car is > obviously the > better long term choice. Additionally, I would have the boom supported > in > either upper or lower position by some means, if a replacement car is not > fixed > to the mast. What better temporary alternative do you recommend to a > properly fitted screw? A fastpin is possible but may be too large. In > no case > would I allow the boom to be supported be the smaller PT fixture. > > We have have a different approach to sail management. Underway solo, if > winds get heavy enough, I will first first shorten the mainsail and > headsail > versus lowering the boom. I would never leave the helm or cockpit in > heavy or > gusty wind conditions - not good headwork. If I had a reliable crew I > might > then lower the boom, and then possibly readjust the sails. Best > resolution of > all, as we have learned, is to anticipate wind conditions before getting > underway. > > I also prefer the cockpit mobility available with the boom up. > > Ultimately, the greatest attribute of a good skipper depends on brain > mass, > not body mass. > > Chow, > > Art > > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: R22RumRunner@... >>Sent: Jul 16, 2008 8:39 AM >>To: rhodes22-list@... >>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] progress/bad advice >> >>Art, >>Not good advice. A replacement car is readily available from GB. I >>wouldn't > >>use anything but an original replacement and certainly not a machine >>screw. > >>Being able to drop the boom is one of the easiest ways to adjust the > rigging >>for big winds. However, some of our Rhodies obviously have enough mass > that >>they don't have a need to lower the center of effort on their boat. :) >> >>Rummy >> >> >>In a message dated 7/16/2008 7:44:55 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >>czerwonky@... writes: >> >>Tom, >>I wouldn't lose sleep over the archives issue. Our Rhoadie skippers, >>with > >>just a few exceptions, have enough patience with our fleet colleagues to >>address specific questions like this, even given that many are repeated. > Your >>picture says it all - you can see both pins are the same - Stan will > probably >>not have a replacement, but can tell you where he gets the assembled > 'car'. In >>the interim, the boom will have to be moved up or down infrequently - I > have >>never had to put mine into the lower position - use a #6 machine screw >>(or >>one with reasonable fit, including length) from HD to hold it in either >>position, until you can replace the pin. Stan may be able to send you a >>replacement car for a cost. >>R, >>Art >> >>-----Original Message----- >>>From: Tom Hogarty <tjhogarty@...> >>>Sent: Jul 15, 2008 7:42 PM >>>To: rhodes22-list@... >>>Subject: Re: [Rhodes22-list] progress >>> >>> >>>Thanks, Art, here is a picture of parts of the two "cars" on the lower >>mast. >>>I can see the indentation where the collar of the boom pin latch fit. > How >>>do I obtain and replace the pin? Does the mast need to be lowered? >>>I did not find the archives helpful. >>>Many Thanks, >>>Tom http://www.nabble.com/file/p18477261/IMG_0657.jpeg >>> >>> >>> >>>Arthur H. Czerwonky wrote: >>>> >>>> Tom, >>>> Re. the boom dropping - yes, there is a separate pin latch for each >>>> of > the >>>> two 'cars' that travel up and down the mast. Be aware that on the >>>> IMF >>>> mast, when you adjust the upper car, the IMF sail and its furling >>>> tube >>>> ride up or down the mast also, so additional weight is involved. I >>>> believe the pin for the upper car will be 28 1/2 " above the base of > the >>>> mast. >>>> Happy sailing on a spectacular boat! >>>> Art >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>From: Tom Hogarty <tjhogarty@...> >>>>>Sent: Jul 13, 2008 9:33 PM >>>>>To: rhodes22-list@... >>>>>Subject: [Rhodes22-list] progress >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Mast went up on our newly named "acorn" this afternoon. Yoke and >>>>>mast >>>winch >>>>>worked great as did the help from the documentation by former owner, >>>>>Bob >>>>>Dobson, this wonderful forum, and Stan's great engineering. Easy as >>pie! >>>>>Skiptress Alice cranked it all by herself. I had thought we would >>>>>need > to >>>>>host a barn raising party, but we did it all by ourselfs. It did >>>>>take >>>much, >>>>>much longer than 20 minutes, but we learned so much about our boat in > the >>>>>process. Acorn is still trailered at Holiday Hill on the Rhodes >>>>>River >>>south >>>>>of Annapolis and has a mess of details to go before launch. I pulled > the >>>>>pin to lower the pop top mast attachment and the boom came down as > well. >>>Is >>>>>there a separate control pin for the boom? The pin for the pop top >>>>>attachment is on the starboard side of the mast. None on the port >>>>>side >>>>>where I might expect on for the boom. My archive search was not as > yet >>>>>helpful. >>>>>Thanks, >>>>>Tom Hogarty >>>>>-- >>>>>View this message in context: >>>http://www.nabble.com/progress-tp18436119p18436119.html >>>>>Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>>>> >>>>>__________________________________________________ >>>>>To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go >>>>>to >>>http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>>>__________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go >>>> to >>>> http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>> __________________________________________________ >>>> >>>> >>> >>>-- >>>View this message in context: >>http://www.nabble.com/progress-tp18436119p18477261.html >>>Sent from the Rhodes 22 mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >>> >>>__________________________________________________ >>>To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to >>http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>>__________________________________________________ >> >>__________________________________________________ >>To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to >>http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>__________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> >> >>**************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live > music >>scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! >>(http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) >>__________________________________________________ >>To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list >>__________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > > > > > **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live > music > scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! > (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) > __________________________________________________ > To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to > http://www.rhodes22.org/list > __________________________________________________ > > __________________________________________________ To subscribe/unsubscribe or for help with using the mailing list go to http://www.rhodes22.org/list __________________________________________________ |
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