Time to stand up and show your interest

[Markus Spring]

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Hi list,
as lightzone for linux seemed really to be dead and buried, I was more than
astonished that this company answered one of my emails:

In october I received an announcement for a new lz version and answered that
they should remove me from their mailinglist until they had something to offer
for linux again. Probably not worth the time spent to write the mail, but off it
went. And - I got an answer, stating that they had genuine interest in exploring
the linux business and asking me some thoughtful questions about various aspects.

So probably it's time to write emails to them, asking what their plans are and
showing interest in this part of their (possible) business. I think it's worth
the try

Best regards

Markus
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[Jacek Gozdz]

> Hi list,
> as lightzone for linux seemed really to be dead and buried, I was more than
> astonished that this company answered one of my emails:
>
> In october I received an announcement for a new lz version and answered that
> they should remove me from their mailinglist until they had something to offer
> for linux again. Probably not worth the time spent to write the mail, but off it
> went. And - I got an answer, stating that they had genuine interest in exploring
> the linux business and asking me some thoughtful questions about various aspects.
>
> So probably it's time to write emails to them, asking what their plans are and
> showing interest in this part of their (possible) business. I think it's worth
> the try
>
> Best regards

What a surprise! As I am now member of Lightcraft's Customer Advisory Board I will try to get as much information as possible. Hope this is not another generic "polite shut up" post. Hope they are really thinking at least about WINE support.

I'll post here if I find anything specific.

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[Paolo-23]

Hello,
it's nice to read something new here! And it's nice to learn that LZ Linux
could pop up again somewhere in the future!
I've been exploring a few other photo tools recently (krita, cinepaint, gimp,
anc so on) but I have kept falling back to LZ.
Also, nice to see Jacek got officially  involved with LightCrafts
Regards
Paolo


On Sunday 11 November 2007 12:01:03 Jacek Gozdz wrote:

> > Hi list,
> > as lightzone for linux seemed really to be dead and buried, I was more
> > than astonished that this company answered one of my emails:
> >
> > In october I received an announcement for a new lz version and answered
> > that they should remove me from their mailinglist until they had
> > something to offer for linux again. Probably not worth the time spent to
> > write the mail, but off it went. And - I got an answer, stating that they
> > had genuine interest in exploring the linux business and asking me some
> > thoughtful questions about various aspects.
> >
> > So probably it's time to write emails to them, asking what their plans
> > are and showing interest in this part of their (possible) business. I
> > think it's worth the try
> >
> > Best regards
>
> What a surprise! As I am now member of Lightcraft's Customer Advisory Board
> I will try to get as much information as possible. Hope this is not another
> generic "polite shut up" post. Hope they are really thinking at least about
> WINE support.
>
> I'll post here if I find anything specific.

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[Jacek Gozdz]

On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:03:21 -0800
dan <danbowman@...> wrote:

> is there any one person/department to express our
> interest?

Well, there is Grant Kim who does most of the sales/support job and Kirby who cooperates with some users (me), and another few guys, but all of them are only working for Fabio. They are not the development team, and not the bosses (Grant may be the closest one).

There is a thread on the forum (poll for linux release). Some people write there from time to time, and at least Grant visits the forum (not too often). I think it is a better policy to write there than to send emails to an individual. They will consider it as attack, not request.

Their weakest point is money. They don't listen to users, they listen to paid users that want to leave, or someone who is willing to pay, but decided to invest linux based software.

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[David-330]

On Nov 11, 2007 9:33 AM, Jacek Gozdz <cuniek@...> wrote:

> On Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:03:21 -0800
> dan <danbowman@...> wrote:
>
> > is there any one person/department to express our
> > interest?
>
> Well, there is Grant Kim who does most of the sales/support job and Kirby who cooperates with some users (me), and another few guys, but all of them are only working for Fabio. They are not the development team, and not the bosses (Grant may be the closest one).
>
> There is a thread on the forum (poll for linux release). Some people write there from time to time, and at least Grant visits the forum (not too often). I think it is a better policy to write there than to send emails to an individual. They will consider it as attack, not request.
>
> Their weakest point is money. They don't listen to users, they listen to paid users that want to leave, or someone who is willing to pay, but decided to invest linux based software.
>
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While I've benefitted from the Linux releases, but mostly the product
design and model, the vieled threat that it was only a hobby/test case
left me feeling that LightCrafts will not support it.  Consider
Hamrick's VueScan, and LZ efforts seem too weak to justify trust from
end users of an application, willing to pay for products and services.
 A 17 year user of FOSS and Linux, I know it's not free ;)

If LC doesn't see the Linux port as worthy by now, we Linux using folk
will move on.  Last thing I would do is both develop the business
model and then turn around and pay for my own work!  The weakest point
is not money... money's cheap, a means; it's vision that's expensive,
and something customers will pay others to share in that vision.

rgds,
Dave
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[Ade Rixon]

11 Nov 06:33:29 PM: Meanwhile in the Sheraton, Jacek Gozdz wrote:
> There is a thread on the forum (poll for linux release). Some people
> write there from time to time, and at least Grant visits the forum (not
> too often). I think it is a better policy to write there than to send
> emails to an individual. They will consider it as attack, not request.

I'm afraid I'm put off the forum thread by some of the ill-tempered
rantings and aggrieved sense of entitlement displayed there. LightCrafts
didn't want to continue with LZ because they couldn't see any financial
return - fine, it's a great pity but I accept that. The poll tends to bear
this out (i.e. 46 out of 58 people who bothered to vote would be prepared
to pay some unspecified amount - hardly inspires confidence, does it?)

For the record, I'm still using LZ 2.4 as my main editor and I plan to
continue doing so. Even if I bought a new, unsupported camera, I'd
probably still do the initial raw conversion in Bibble and then export to
LZ for "proper" editing, unless one of the free Linux editors takes a
quantum leap meantime. So my money's there for the taking (although
reviews of the LZ 3.x releases haven't been especially enticing - the
quality of the product may currently be of greater concern than the
availability of a Linux port).

Ade_
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[Martin Chojnowski]

On Nov 12, 2007 4:30 PM, Ade Rixon <listsub@...> wrote:
> For the record, I'm still using LZ 2.4 as my main editor and I plan to
> continue doing so. Even if I bought a new, unsupported camera, I'd
> probably still do the initial raw conversion in Bibble and then export to
> LZ for "proper" editing, unless one of the free Linux editors takes a
> quantum leap meantime. So my money's there for the taking (although
> reviews of the LZ 3.x releases haven't been especially enticing - the
> quality of the product may currently be of greater concern than the
> availability of a Linux port).

If you already do this (use bible to convert) you can easily upgrade
2.4 to 3.1 by just copying all java files. You will loose RAW options
and GUI will look not great but you will get all the options available
for linux users. It just proves how easy it is to port to linux, there
are just 2 small libs that lightcrafts would have to compile for linux
to give us full working latest version.

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