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The future of PDAs?
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Thought this might be an interesting device to test
5" touch screen, GPS cradle, Wifi, etc Win Moblie 5.0 Cowon Qw5 http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/cowon/q5w/ It's starting to get into the Ultra Mobile PC range but looks to have a much better battery life then all the UMPCs I've looked at. For kicks also take a peek at the Asus eepc. http://eeepc.asus.com/global/ Alex |
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Re: The future of PDAs?
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>>> On 3/5/2008 at 14:26, "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> wrote:
> Thought this might be an interesting device to test > 5" touch screen, GPS cradle, Wifi, etc Win Moblie 5.0 > Cowon Qw5 > http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/cowon/q5w/ > > It's starting to get into the Ultra Mobile PC range but looks to have a much > better battery life then all the UMPCs I've looked at. > For kicks also take a peek at the Asus eepc. > http://eeepc.asus.com/global/ > > Alex Forgot to mention the Nokia 810 too. http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N810-Portable-Internet-Tablet/dp/B000Y4AH3C/ref=pd_bbs_11?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1204755981&sr=8-11 Alex |
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Re: The future of PDAs?
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so we recently ordered and are about to return a new magellan triton 2000
the thing can display raster maps but overall it sucks so back it goes today i just ordered a Nokia n810 to test out for the same pourpose 1. daylight read able screen 2. built in keyboard 3. cheap nokia battery 4. built in gps (not the best one though) 5. Maemo Mapper which apparently downloads google tiles as the mapping background as well as other raster tiled sources we ordered it from newegg ill tell you how it works out when i get a chance to use it Tracy Love Research Analyst tlove@... California Department of Fish and Game Bay Delta Region p.o box 47 Yountville, CA 707-944-5532 (cell) 707-227-4568 >>> "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> 3/5/2008 2:28 PM >>> >>> On 3/5/2008 at 14:26, "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> wrote: > Thought this might be an interesting device to test > 5" touch screen, GPS cradle, Wifi, etc Win Moblie 5.0 > Cowon Qw5 > http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/cowon/q5w/ > > It's starting to get into the Ultra Mobile PC range but looks to have a much > better battery life then all the UMPCs I've looked at. > For kicks also take a peek at the Asus eepc. > http://eeepc.asus.com/global/ > > Alex Forgot to mention the Nokia 810 too. http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N810-Portable-Internet-Tablet/dp/B000Y4AH3C/ref=pd_bbs_11?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1204755981&sr=8-11 Alex |
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Re: The future of PDAs?
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I'll be real interested to hear about results. Keep in mind since it's a linux platform it shouldn't be to hard to package up some really good software for it. I'll check up with the QGIS developers to see if any of them have a had chance to try it yet. I bet we could also setup a local WMS service with an OpenLayers html page locally on the device to server raster tiles ourself in a web browser as well as any other Library layers we want over the web.
What interests me the most though is that with a real OS we can look at things like Python and Java more realistically for cross platform multi device programs. In terms of the GPS you can easily add a bluetooth one from this page http://www.semsons.com/bluetgpsrec.html I've used the Holux m1000 but heard good things about the iBlue too. I'm currently running field tests of statistical significance with the Holux M1000, Garmin 60Csx, Trimble Juno and Timble Geo XT and will let you all know the results of that test when they become available. Alex >>> On 3/5/2008 at 18:08, "Tracy Love" <tlove@...> wrote: > so we recently ordered and are about to return a new magellan triton 2000 > the thing can display raster maps > but overall it sucks so back it goes > > today i just ordered a Nokia n810 to test out for the same pourpose > 1. daylight read able screen > 2. built in keyboard > 3. cheap nokia battery > 4. built in gps (not the best one though) > 5. Maemo Mapper which apparently downloads google tiles as the mapping > background as well as other raster tiled sources > > we ordered it from newegg > ill tell you how it works out when i get a chance to use it > > > > > Tracy Love > Research Analyst > tlove@... > California Department of Fish and Game > Bay Delta Region > p.o box 47 > Yountville, CA > 707-944-5532 > (cell) 707-227-4568 > > >>>> "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> 3/5/2008 2:28 PM >>> >>>> On 3/5/2008 at 14:26, "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> wrote: >> Thought this might be an interesting device to test >> 5" touch screen, GPS cradle, Wifi, etc Win Moblie 5.0 >> Cowon Qw5 >> http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/cowon/q5w/ >> >> It's starting to get into the Ultra Mobile PC range but looks to have a much > >> better battery life then all the UMPCs I've looked at. >> For kicks also take a peek at the Asus eepc. >> http://eeepc.asus.com/global/ >> >> Alex > > Forgot to mention the Nokia 810 too. > http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N810-Portable-Internet-Tablet/dp/B000Y4AH3C/ref=pd_b > bs_11?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1204755981&sr=8-11 > > Alex |
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Re: The future of PDAs?
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(fyi ; ive been doing allot of google mashup stuff lately, super cool
not so hard turns out) its an ARM processor and the screen resolution is 800 × 480 so some things would be a pain i would think to port. i have been spending a fair amount of time looking at x86 based UMPCS particularly the ones with GEODE or VIA processors but few have daylight readable displays and the cost is still up there for an agency like DFG. but yes cross platform application would be tremendous but i have a hard time seeing staff useing say QGIS or UDIG on a UMPC in the field, just not tailored enough. the n810 mapping application apparently is purely orriented towards raster and those developing it have no plan on integrating reading say KML ontop of the raster background. thier raster method is apparently to read google style tile sets directly from disk. so i believe you can create your own tile sets (ive seen the tools) without needing to work through a server. but i have been wondering if a server setup on the unit could facilitate dynamic shp/kml rendering. i need to buy one of those bluetooth ones and try it out (geeez i need a real hardware research budget) the one that caught my eye recently was at the semsons site under data loggers.... http://www.semsons.com/hogr3bldalog.html it uses a AA battery and still runs for a fair time, works as a data logger or bluetooth DFG needs a general hardware research budget where we buy gear and pass it around for groups JUST to test so for gps we would buy members of the trimble line and also buy a number of PDA/ tablet/UMPC products for mobile computing testing Tracy Love Research Analyst tlove@... California Department of Fish and Game Bay Delta Region p.o box 47 Yountville, CA 707-944-5532 (cell) 707-227-4568 >>> "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> 3/6/2008 12:47 AM >>> I'll be real interested to hear about results. Keep in mind since it's a linux platform it shouldn't be to hard to package up some really good software for it. I'll check up with the QGIS developers to see if any of them have a had chance to try it yet. I bet we could also setup a local WMS service with an OpenLayers html page locally on the device to server raster tiles ourself in a web browser as well as any other Library layers we want over the web. What interests me the most though is that with a real OS we can look at things like Python and Java more realistically for cross platform multi device programs. In terms of the GPS you can easily add a bluetooth one from this page http://www.semsons.com/bluetgpsrec.html I've used the Holux m1000 but heard good things about the iBlue too. I'm currently running field tests of statistical significance with the Holux M1000, Garmin 60Csx, Trimble Juno and Timble Geo XT and will let you all know the results of that test when they become available. Alex >>> On 3/5/2008 at 18:08, "Tracy Love" <tlove@...> wrote: > so we recently ordered and are about to return a new magellan triton 2000 > the thing can display raster maps > but overall it sucks so back it goes > > today i just ordered a Nokia n810 to test out for the same pourpose > 1. daylight read able screen > 2. built in keyboard > 3. cheap nokia battery > 4. built in gps (not the best one though) > 5. Maemo Mapper which apparently downloads google tiles as the mapping > background as well as other raster tiled sources > > we ordered it from newegg > ill tell you how it works out when i get a chance to use it > > > > > Tracy Love > Research Analyst > tlove@... > California Department of Fish and Game > Bay Delta Region > p.o box 47 > Yountville, CA > 707-944-5532 > (cell) 707-227-4568 > > >>>> "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> 3/5/2008 2:28 PM >>> >>>> On 3/5/2008 at 14:26, "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> wrote: >> Thought this might be an interesting device to test >> 5" touch screen, GPS cradle, Wifi, etc Win Moblie 5.0 >> Cowon Qw5 >> http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/cowon/q5w/ >> >> It's starting to get into the Ultra Mobile PC range but looks to > >> better battery life then all the UMPCs I've looked at. >> For kicks also take a peek at the Asus eepc. >> http://eeepc.asus.com/global/ >> >> Alex > > Forgot to mention the Nokia 810 too. > http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N810-Portable-Internet-Tablet/dp/B000Y4AH3C/ref=pd_b > bs_11?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1204755981&sr=8-11 > > Alex |
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hardware research budget
by Steven Goldman
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Hey all,
Regarding a hardware budget, at BDB we generally have a decent equipment budget so there is potential there. If we're going to be purchasing stuff for testing though we really need some standard metrics to report back to the group. This again is really where a wiki site on the intranet would come in handy. ITB is really stalling on doing anything about that - I'll bug them again. Alex, I know you have some standard accuracy testing that you do, which is great. BTW, it sounds like you have a Juno, yes? I'm purchasing a couple for Isaac to use at OSPR and was thinking of adding one more to the order for wider testing use, if that would be helpful for anyone. -Steve >>> "Tracy Love" <tlove@...> 3/6/2008 11:17 AM >>> (fyi ; ive been doing allot of google mashup stuff lately, super cool not so hard turns out) its an ARM processor and the screen resolution is 800 * 480 so some things would be a pain i would think to port. i have been spending a fair amount of time looking at x86 based UMPCS particularly the ones with GEODE or VIA processors but few have daylight readable displays and the cost is still up there for an agency like DFG. but yes cross platform application would be tremendous but i have a hard time seeing staff useing say QGIS or UDIG on a UMPC in the field, just not tailored enough. the n810 mapping application apparently is purely orriented towards raster and those developing it have no plan on integrating reading say KML ontop of the raster background. thier raster method is apparently to read google style tile sets directly from disk. so i believe you can create your own tile sets (ive seen the tools) without needing to work through a server. but i have been wondering if a server setup on the unit could facilitate dynamic shp/kml rendering. i need to buy one of those bluetooth ones and try it out (geeez i need a real hardware research budget) the one that caught my eye recently was at the semsons site under data loggers.... http://www.semsons.com/hogr3bldalog.html it uses a AA battery and still runs for a fair time, works as a data logger or bluetooth DFG needs a general hardware research budget where we buy gear and pass it around for groups JUST to test so for gps we would buy members of the trimble line and also buy a number of PDA/ tablet/UMPC products for mobile computing testing Tracy Love Research Analyst tlove@... California Department of Fish and Game Bay Delta Region p.o box 47 Yountville, CA 707-944-5532 (cell) 707-227-4568 >>> "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> 3/6/2008 12:47 AM >>> I'll be real interested to hear about results. Keep in mind since it's a linux platform it shouldn't be to hard to package up some really good software for it. I'll check up with the QGIS developers to see if any of them have a had chance to try it yet. I bet we could also setup a local WMS service with an OpenLayers html page locally on the device to server raster tiles ourself in a web browser as well as any other Library layers we want over the web. What interests me the most though is that with a real OS we can look at things like Python and Java more realistically for cross platform multi device programs. In terms of the GPS you can easily add a bluetooth one from this page http://www.semsons.com/bluetgpsrec.html I've used the Holux m1000 but heard good things about the iBlue too. I'm currently running field tests of statistical significance with the Holux M1000, Garmin 60Csx, Trimble Juno and Timble Geo XT and will let you all know the results of that test when they become available. Alex >>> On 3/5/2008 at 18:08, "Tracy Love" <tlove@...> wrote: > so we recently ordered and are about to return a new magellan triton 2000 > the thing can display raster maps > but overall it sucks so back it goes > > today i just ordered a Nokia n810 to test out for the same pourpose > 1. daylight read able screen > 2. built in keyboard > 3. cheap nokia battery > 4. built in gps (not the best one though) > 5. Maemo Mapper which apparently downloads google tiles as the mapping > background as well as other raster tiled sources > > we ordered it from newegg > ill tell you how it works out when i get a chance to use it > > > > > Tracy Love > Research Analyst > tlove@... > California Department of Fish and Game > Bay Delta Region > p.o box 47 > Yountville, CA > 707-944-5532 > (cell) 707-227-4568 > > >>>> "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> 3/5/2008 2:28 PM >>> >>>> On 3/5/2008 at 14:26, "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> wrote: >> Thought this might be an interesting device to test >> 5" touch screen, GPS cradle, Wifi, etc Win Moblie 5.0 >> Cowon Qw5 >> http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/cowon/q5w/ >> >> It's starting to get into the Ultra Mobile PC range but looks to > >> better battery life then all the UMPCs I've looked at. >> For kicks also take a peek at the Asus eepc. >> http://eeepc.asus.com/global/ >> >> Alex > > Forgot to mention the Nokia 810 too. > http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N810-Portable-Internet-Tablet/dp/B000Y4AH3C/ref=pd_b > bs_11?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1204755981&sr=8-11 > > Alex Yahoo! 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Re: hardware research budget
by Tracy Love
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what i was thinking of was more along the lines of being able to purchase hardware JUST to test and pass around for everyone to play with. maybe its a silly idea, but im thinking of a hardware library sort of, and i see this as part of fulfilling our science initiative and the directive that "a modern scientific infrastructure forms the basis of the Departments ability to uphold the integrity of current scientific programs and to study emerging challenges" (directors memo from November).
it just seemed kind of a shame to send back the magellan triton i just had. it didnt fulfill my need but it would have been great to have sent it to sac and put it on a list somewhere for anyone to check out like a library book. it doesnt mean that your going to do a critical review of it but if someone does a critical review of the unit then that person can act as a in house peer reviewer. Along these lines we would have a hardware library that went beyond GIS gear and included stuff like remote sampling and data loggers, UMPC/tablet pc, bar code tools, rfid, etc etc. just a crazy idea Tracy Love Research Analyst tlove@... California Department of Fish and Game Bay Delta Region p.o box 47 Yountville, CA 707-944-5532 (cell) 707-227-4568 >>> "Steven Goldman" <sgoldman@...> 3/11/2008 11:01 AM >>> Hey all, Regarding a hardware budget, at BDB we generally have a decent equipment budget so there is potential there. If we're going to be purchasing stuff for testing though we really need some standard metrics to report back to the group. This again is really where a wiki site on the intranet would come in handy. ITB is really stalling on doing anything about that - I'll bug them again. Alex, I know you have some standard accuracy testing that you do, which is great. BTW, it sounds like you have a Juno, yes? I'm purchasing a couple for Isaac to use at OSPR and was thinking of adding one more to the order for wider testing use, if that would be helpful for anyone. -Steve >>> "Tracy Love" <tlove@...> 3/6/2008 11:17 AM >>> (fyi ; ive been doing allot of google mashup stuff lately, super cool not so hard turns out) its an ARM processor and the screen resolution is 800 * 480 so some things would be a pain i would think to port. i have been spending a fair amount of time looking at x86 based UMPCS particularly the ones with GEODE or VIA processors but few have daylight readable displays and the cost is still up there for an agency like DFG. but yes cross platform application would be tremendous but i have a hard time seeing staff useing say QGIS or UDIG on a UMPC in the field, just not tailored enough. the n810 mapping application apparently is purely orriented towards raster and those developing it have no plan on integrating reading say KML ontop of the raster background. thier raster method is apparently to read google style tile sets directly from disk. so i believe you can create your own tile sets (ive seen the tools) without needing to work through a server. but i have been wondering if a server setup on the unit could facilitate dynamic shp/kml rendering. i need to buy one of those bluetooth ones and try it out (geeez i need a real hardware research budget) the one that caught my eye recently was at the semsons site under data loggers.... http://www.semsons.com/hogr3bldalog.html it uses a AA battery and still runs for a fair time, works as a data logger or bluetooth DFG needs a general hardware research budget where we buy gear and pass it around for groups JUST to test so for gps we would buy members of the trimble line and also buy a number of PDA/ tablet/UMPC products for mobile computing testing Tracy Love Research Analyst tlove@... California Department of Fish and Game Bay Delta Region p.o box 47 Yountville, CA 707-944-5532 (cell) 707-227-4568 >>> "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> 3/6/2008 12:47 AM >>> I'll be real interested to hear about results. Keep in mind since it's a linux platform it shouldn't be to hard to package up some really good software for it. I'll check up with the QGIS developers to see if any of them have a had chance to try it yet. I bet we could also setup a local WMS service with an OpenLayers html page locally on the device to server raster tiles ourself in a web browser as well as any other Library layers we want over the web. What interests me the most though is that with a real OS we can look at things like Python and Java more realistically for cross platform multi device programs. In terms of the GPS you can easily add a bluetooth one from this page http://www.semsons.com/bluetgpsrec.html I've used the Holux m1000 but heard good things about the iBlue too. I'm currently running field tests of statistical significance with the Holux M1000, Garmin 60Csx, Trimble Juno and Timble Geo XT and will let you all know the results of that test when they become available. Alex >>> On 3/5/2008 at 18:08, "Tracy Love" <tlove@...> wrote: > so we recently ordered and are about to return a new magellan triton 2000 > the thing can display raster maps > but overall it sucks so back it goes > > today i just ordered a Nokia n810 to test out for the same pourpose > 1. daylight read able screen > 2. built in keyboard > 3. cheap nokia battery > 4. built in gps (not the best one though) > 5. Maemo Mapper which apparently downloads google tiles as the mapping > background as well as other raster tiled sources > > we ordered it from newegg > ill tell you how it works out when i get a chance to use it > > > > > Tracy Love > Research Analyst > tlove@... > California Department of Fish and Game > Bay Delta Region > p.o box 47 > Yountville, CA > 707-944-5532 > (cell) 707-227-4568 > > >>>> "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> 3/5/2008 2:28 PM >>> >>>> On 3/5/2008 at 14:26, "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> wrote: >> Thought this might be an interesting device to test >> 5" touch screen, GPS cradle, Wifi, etc Win Moblie 5.0 >> Cowon Qw5 >> http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/cowon/q5w/ >> >> It's starting to get into the Ultra Mobile PC range but looks to > >> better battery life then all the UMPCs I've looked at. >> For kicks also take a peek at the Asus eepc. >> http://eeepc.asus.com/global/ >> >> Alex > > Forgot to mention the Nokia 810 too. > http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N810-Portable-Internet-Tablet/dp/B000Y4AH3C/ref=pd_b > bs_11?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1204755981&sr=8-11 > > Alex Yahoo! 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Re: hardware research budget
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Tracy,
This was a secondary benefit of the equipment database I was developing. If we could get that launched and widely supported it would make it easier to track such items. Which may make some programs more likely to purchase and share some new items if they knew it would be easy to get them back when needed. I know it doesn't sound hard to keep track of, but I speak from experience when I say that it is and that people covet their equipment for fear of not having it around when they need it or never getting it back (A legitimate concern). Someone or some automated system would need to be setup to send reminders to people about what they have and when they're supposed to return them(web interface with one click emailing). I'm still trying to play catchup on my database and get back items no longer in use and that are being requested by others. I've got the whole database scheme layed out, just need help finalizing it in SQL server and then running a full inventory check of what I have so that it can be made available. This includes mp3 players, broadcast speakers, lead acid batteries, bluetooth gps units, trailmasters, underwater cameras, li-ion rechargeable Crv3, otterboxes... and all sorts of other stuff we've used, some of which will need to be back here for the coming field season but could easily be borrowed for short periods of time if we had a library/librarian running and some ground rules. Alex >>> On 3/12/2008 at 10:25, "Tracy Love" <tlove@...> wrote: > what i was thinking of was more along the lines of being able to purchase > hardware JUST to test and pass around for everyone to play with. maybe its a > silly idea, but im thinking of a hardware library sort of, and i see this as > part of fulfilling our science initiative and the directive that "a modern > scientific infrastructure forms the basis of the Departments ability to > uphold the integrity of current scientific programs and to study emerging > challenges" (directors memo from November). > > it just seemed kind of a shame to send back the magellan triton i just had. > it didnt fulfill my need but it would have been great to have sent it to sac > and put it on a list somewhere for anyone to check out like a library book. > it doesnt mean that your going to do a critical review of it but if someone > does a critical review of the unit then that person can act as a in house > peer reviewer. > > Along these lines we would have a hardware library that went beyond GIS gear > and included stuff like remote sampling and data loggers, UMPC/tablet pc, bar > code tools, rfid, etc etc. > just a crazy idea > > > Tracy Love > Research Analyst > tlove@... > California Department of Fish and Game > Bay Delta Region > p.o box 47 > Yountville, CA > 707-944-5532 > (cell) 707-227-4568 > >>>> "Steven Goldman" <sgoldman@...> 3/11/2008 11:01 AM >>> > Hey all, > > Regarding a hardware budget, at BDB we generally have a decent > equipment budget so there is potential there. If we're going to be > purchasing stuff for testing though we really need some standard metrics > to report back to the group. This again is really where a wiki site on > the intranet would come in handy. ITB is really stalling on doing > anything about that - I'll bug them again. > > Alex, I know you have some standard accuracy testing that you do, which > is great. BTW, it sounds like you have a Juno, yes? I'm purchasing a > couple for Isaac to use at OSPR and was thinking of adding one more to > the order for wider testing use, if that would be helpful for anyone. > -Steve > >>>> "Tracy Love" <tlove@...> 3/6/2008 11:17 AM >>> > (fyi ; ive been doing allot of google mashup stuff lately, super cool > not so hard turns out) > > its an ARM processor and the screen resolution is 800 * 480 so some > things would be a pain i would think to port. > > i have been spending a fair amount of time looking at x86 based UMPCS > particularly the ones with GEODE or VIA processors but few have > daylight readable displays and the cost is still up there for an > agency > like DFG. but yes cross platform application would be tremendous but i > have a hard time seeing staff useing say QGIS or UDIG on a UMPC in the > field, just not tailored enough. > > the n810 mapping application apparently is purely orriented towards > raster and those developing it have no plan on integrating reading say > KML ontop of the raster background. thier raster method is apparently > to > read google style tile sets directly from disk. so i believe you can > create your own tile sets (ive seen the tools) without needing to work > through a server. but i have been wondering if a server setup on the > unit could facilitate dynamic shp/kml rendering. > > i need to buy one of those bluetooth ones and try it out (geeez i need > a real hardware research budget) > the one that caught my eye recently was at the semsons site under data > loggers.... > > http://www.semsons.com/hogr3bldalog.html > > it uses a AA battery and still runs for a fair time, works as a data > logger or bluetooth > > DFG needs a general hardware research budget where we buy gear and > pass > it around for groups JUST to test > so for gps we would buy members of the trimble line > and also buy a number of PDA/ tablet/UMPC products for mobile > computing > testing > > > > > > Tracy Love > Research Analyst > tlove@... > California Department of Fish and Game > Bay Delta Region > p.o box 47 > Yountville, CA > 707-944-5532 > (cell) 707-227-4568 > > >>>> "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> 3/6/2008 12:47 AM >>> > I'll be real interested to hear about results. Keep in mind since it's > a linux platform it shouldn't be to hard to package up some really > good > software for it. I'll check up with the QGIS developers to see if any > of > them have a had chance to try it yet. I bet we could also setup a > local > WMS service with an OpenLayers html page locally on the device to > server > raster tiles ourself in a web browser as well as any other Library > layers we want over the web. > > What interests me the most though is that with a real OS we can look > at > things like Python and Java more realistically for cross platform > multi > device programs. > > In terms of the GPS you can easily add a bluetooth one from this page > http://www.semsons.com/bluetgpsrec.html > I've used the Holux m1000 but heard good things about the iBlue too. > > I'm currently running field tests of statistical significance with the > Holux M1000, Garmin 60Csx, Trimble Juno and Timble Geo XT and will let > you all know the results of that test when they become available. > > Alex > > >>>> On 3/5/2008 at 18:08, "Tracy Love" <tlove@...> wrote: >> so we recently ordered and are about to return a new magellan triton > 2000 >> the thing can display raster maps >> but overall it sucks so back it goes >> >> today i just ordered a Nokia n810 to test out for the same pourpose >> 1. daylight read able screen >> 2. built in keyboard >> 3. cheap nokia battery >> 4. built in gps (not the best one though) >> 5. Maemo Mapper which apparently downloads google tiles as the > mapping >> background as well as other raster tiled sources >> >> we ordered it from newegg >> ill tell you how it works out when i get a chance to use it >> >> >> >> >> Tracy Love >> Research Analyst >> tlove@... >> California Department of Fish and Game >> Bay Delta Region >> p.o box 47 >> Yountville, CA >> 707-944-5532 >> (cell) 707-227-4568 >> >> >>>>> "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> 3/5/2008 2:28 PM >>> >>>>> On 3/5/2008 at 14:26, "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> wrote: >>> Thought this might be an interesting device to test >>> 5" touch screen, GPS cradle, Wifi, etc Win Moblie 5.0 >>> Cowon Qw5 >>> http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/cowon/q5w/ >>> >>> It's starting to get into the Ultra Mobile PC range but looks to > have a much >> >>> better battery life then all the UMPCs I've looked at. >>> For kicks also take a peek at the Asus eepc. >>> http://eeepc.asus.com/global/ >>> >>> Alex >> >> Forgot to mention the Nokia 810 too. >> > http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N810-Portable-Internet-Tablet/dp/B000Y4AH3C/ref=pd_b > > > >> bs_11?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1204755981&sr=8-11 >> >> Alex > > > > > > > Yahoo! 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Re: hardware research budget
by Isaac Oshima
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Hey Tracy, I agree about the circulation of new tech to test when
possible; limiting factors being time, money and purpose. Some analyst having none and others all three or combinations. Not all have to be passed about and tested, for example, I completely trust your evaluation (house peer reviewer) of the Triton and do not have to have it hand and tested it myself. It is more important that we are able to return it and perhaps get something else to use/test. We currently have a hardware, software, etc listing... that are shared via Will's documentation (see attachment) and I'm assuming he is managing. This is a great addition and makes a bit less informal a previously very informal and less known process of resource sharing. We can add to this listing by emailing Will. A database would be cool, but not sure if the demand and frequency of transactions are there. Also, not sure about (could be wording issue here) buying JUST to test and pass around. Generally,for me; there's enough of an issue to get hardware for which I have a sense of purpose so I doubt that I would spend the little money that I have, just to buy to test and pass around. And I'm in a fairly good position being a hybrid of BDB and OSPR (source of equipment funding-wise). Perhaps since BDB is GIS central; it can take some of the XX percent overhead for GIS positions and allocate towards R/D and have the GIS folks collectively decide what new tech to try out? My 2 cents.... What do you think? Isaac Isaac Oshima ioshima@... Research Program Specialist 1, GIS California Department of Fish and Game ><((((º> Office of Spill Prevention and Response 1700 K Street, Suite 150 Sacramento, California 95814 916-324-9817 916-324-8829 fax >>> "Tracy Love" <tlove@...> 2008-03-12 10:25 AM >>> what i was thinking of was more along the lines of being able to purchase hardware JUST to test and pass around for everyone to play with. maybe its a silly idea, but im thinking of a hardware library sort of, and i see this as part of fulfilling our science initiative and the directive that "a modern scientific infrastructure forms the basis of the Departments ability to uphold the integrity of current scientific programs and to study emerging challenges" (directors memo from November). it just seemed kind of a shame to send back the magellan triton i just had. it didnt fulfill my need but it would have been great to have sent it to sac and put it on a list somewhere for anyone to check out like a library book. it doesnt mean that your going to do a critical review of it but if someone does a critical review of the unit then that person can act as a in house peer reviewer. Along these lines we would have a hardware library that went beyond GIS gear and included stuff like remote sampling and data loggers, UMPC/tablet pc, bar code tools, rfid, etc etc. just a crazy idea Tracy Love Research Analyst tlove@... California Department of Fish and Game Bay Delta Region p.o box 47 Yountville, CA 707-944-5532 (cell) 707-227-4568 >>> "Steven Goldman" <sgoldman@...> 3/11/2008 11:01 AM >>> Hey all, Regarding a hardware budget, at BDB we generally have a decent equipment budget so there is potential there. If we're going to be purchasing stuff for testing though we really need some standard metrics to report back to the group. This again is really where a wiki site on the intranet would come in handy. ITB is really stalling on doing anything about that - I'll bug them again. Alex, I know you have some standard accuracy testing that you do, which is great. BTW, it sounds like you have a Juno, yes? I'm purchasing a couple for Isaac to use at OSPR and was thinking of adding one more to the order for wider testing use, if that would be helpful for anyone. -Steve >>> "Tracy Love" <tlove@...> 3/6/2008 11:17 AM >>> (fyi ; ive been doing allot of google mashup stuff lately, super cool not so hard turns out) its an ARM processor and the screen resolution is 800 * 480 so some things would be a pain i would think to port. i have been spending a fair amount of time looking at x86 based UMPCS particularly the ones with GEODE or VIA processors but few have daylight readable displays and the cost is still up there for an agency like DFG. but yes cross platform application would be tremendous but i have a hard time seeing staff useing say QGIS or UDIG on a UMPC in the field, just not tailored enough. the n810 mapping application apparently is purely orriented towards raster and those developing it have no plan on integrating reading say KML ontop of the raster background. thier raster method is apparently to read google style tile sets directly from disk. so i believe you can create your own tile sets (ive seen the tools) without needing to work through a server. but i have been wondering if a server setup on the unit could facilitate dynamic shp/kml rendering. i need to buy one of those bluetooth ones and try it out (geeez i need a real hardware research budget) the one that caught my eye recently was at the semsons site under data loggers.... http://www.semsons.com/hogr3bldalog.html it uses a AA battery and still runs for a fair time, works as a data logger or bluetooth DFG needs a general hardware research budget where we buy gear and pass it around for groups JUST to test so for gps we would buy members of the trimble line and also buy a number of PDA/ tablet/UMPC products for mobile computing testing Tracy Love Research Analyst tlove@... California Department of Fish and Game Bay Delta Region p.o box 47 Yountville, CA 707-944-5532 (cell) 707-227-4568 >>> "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> 3/6/2008 12:47 AM >>> I'll be real interested to hear about results. Keep in mind since it's a linux platform it shouldn't be to hard to package up some really good software for it. I'll check up with the QGIS developers to see if any of them have a had chance to try it yet. I bet we could also setup a local WMS service with an OpenLayers html page locally on the device to server raster tiles ourself in a web browser as well as any other Library layers we want over the web. What interests me the most though is that with a real OS we can look at things like Python and Java more realistically for cross platform multi device programs. In terms of the GPS you can easily add a bluetooth one from this page http://www.semsons.com/bluetgpsrec.html I've used the Holux m1000 but heard good things about the iBlue too. I'm currently running field tests of statistical significance with the Holux M1000, Garmin 60Csx, Trimble Juno and Timble Geo XT and will let you all know the results of that test when they become available. Alex >>> On 3/5/2008 at 18:08, "Tracy Love" <tlove@...> wrote: > so we recently ordered and are about to return a new magellan triton 2000 > the thing can display raster maps > but overall it sucks so back it goes > > today i just ordered a Nokia n810 to test out for the same pourpose > 1. daylight read able screen > 2. built in keyboard > 3. cheap nokia battery > 4. built in gps (not the best one though) > 5. Maemo Mapper which apparently downloads google tiles as the mapping > background as well as other raster tiled sources > > we ordered it from newegg > ill tell you how it works out when i get a chance to use it > > > > > Tracy Love > Research Analyst > tlove@... > California Department of Fish and Game > Bay Delta Region > p.o box 47 > Yountville, CA > 707-944-5532 > (cell) 707-227-4568 > > >>>> "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> 3/5/2008 2:28 PM >>> >>>> On 3/5/2008 at 14:26, "Alex Mandel" <amandel@...> wrote: >> Thought this might be an interesting device to test >> 5" touch screen, GPS cradle, Wifi, etc Win Moblie 5.0 >> Cowon Qw5 >> http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/cowon/q5w/ >> >> It's starting to get into the Ultra Mobile PC range but looks to > >> better battery life then all the UMPCs I've looked at. >> For kicks also take a peek at the Asus eepc. >> http://eeepc.asus.com/global/ >> >> Alex > > Forgot to mention the Nokia 810 too. > http://www.amazon.com/Nokia-N810-Portable-Internet-Tablet/dp/B000Y4AH3C/ref=pd_b > bs_11?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1204755981&sr=8-11 > > Alex Yahoo! 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