Nabble - The Canon

Re: The Monster of Peladon

2008-10-27T21:26:40Z

Hello Llin and others,

I recently bought the audio CD of the Monster of Peladon (after taking two ruddy months to get here in Hobart once I ordered it!).

It sounds good on disc with our Lis doing the narration between every scene.
She fills in a few gaps, and there's a 'lost' scene in Episode 1 that I can't recall in the video, having watched it a few times in recent years on and off.

Ep 1. After Aggador's image appears and blasts away, once everyone has gone, Gebek and Eckersley linger and examine the rockface where the heat focussed.
Gebek says that the rock is still warm to the touch.

I simply don't recall this scene and I'm now thinking of borrowing this video from my local library and watching it some rainy weekend (if we ever get one in drought ridden Tassie!), just too match up the video of the story with the audio CD.

Question:
Does anyone else have this video to hand and if so, could they have a short look in Ep 1 to see if the scene I describe is there.

I'm hoping this story appears on DVD some time next year at the earliest, although I have no insight on this.
I understand the DVD people hope to get out all the extant Dr who's by the end of 2012 which is a high workload.
Reading their thinking, they like to put out box sets and the methodology has been to find some commonality between stories eg. The Sontaran box set etc.

I've said before that a dual box set of the Pelodon stories would be a logical progression if they adhere to their ideas.
Both stories are Pertwee one's, same planet and similar cast (Alpha Centauri and the Ice Warriors).

Finally there is a short interview with Lis at the end of the CD on her memories of the story and show.

I recall that for the Silurians, Caroline John did the audio narration for that and then the next year or so it was out on DVD, lets hope we get lucky with Monster of Pelodon.

Aroon, aroon, aroon..............

Phil

Re: Hand of Fear

2008-04-16T22:09:48Z

I recently found the Hand of fear book by Terrance Dicks in a second hand book shop here in Hobart

I also found this item too on the conditions during filming at the time
http://archive.thenorthernecho.co.uk/2001/7/5/166513.html

If you look at the dvd, you can see from the outset just how hot it was as the air has that shimmering heat look in the background scenes.
Friends from the UK here and living there then and now, tell me that 1976 was a real scorcher as this article hints.
In the dvd you can also see how dry the grass is (brown) but at some point during filming they must have had a downpour in Gloucester near Oldbury power station .

With an interest in the weather, my research reveals that the dry spell actually started in '75 as for instance the Android Invasion filmed in Oxfordshire looks similarly sunny and very light.
Here in Tasmania, we're used to hot weather, but the consistant heat in the UK in '76 seems beyond that what even we're used too, but I know my mainland friends would say we get it easy in Tasmania and the rest of Australia really cops it with horrid heat over time during summer.

Still interesting background for the filming and its no wonder Lis swallowed a fly during filming!.

See you in Cromhall quarry
Phil

Re: Hand of Fear

2008-03-05T20:45:22Z

Yes, I too liked this episode.
I agree the end was moving and I think Lis in the dvd commentary was correct in highlighting what wasn't said between her and the Doctor that was resonant.

Clearly for the era in which it was made, the producers couldn't go to far, which stand in contrast to the criticisms of the era (by some) that the '70's were 'anything goes' and 'too liberal'.

Here in Australia, there were tears and an unconscious willing of more to be said between them and in 'School Reunion' this was again open and the tears freely flowed even amongst the fellers who as men today, were boys at the time.
Sarah Jane will always be the iconic assistant and worthy of costarrng in her own right as she progressed in the show, she became a double act that people wanted to watch as much as the Doctor.
The widespread view is that the mid '70's were a much more simpler, stable era which although with its share of problems in the U.K and Australia, at least there was greater community coherence and less weight bearing down from 'governements' and their mad cronies.
Shows like 'Life on Mars' and the popularity it engenders here and elsewhere, confirm that
we've lost something in the 30 + years since the "Sarah Jane" era.

Here in Australia, the view is that we've gone backwards societally, especially in the past 25 years and moreso since 2001 with governments pushing us around in unwanted directions .
The world didn't change, only a minority did, dragging the rest of us along in unwanted directions.
The Hand of fear end, reminds us of a more humane time where there was still more hope
and care.
Besides it was a pleasure to see a show that by that time resonated with success and energy, people here eagerly looked forward to the next story in that era.
Hand of fear marks the end of a very successful era.
Someone should try to recapture that spirit of the time in future .

Thanks for the discussion and your time
Phil in Australia.

Re: Should Alan and SJ get together?

2008-02-28T15:21:35Z

Oh, I don't know, in general I think as long as they're consenting adults and on the same wavelength, it's ok!
Although as I've said, in the specific, I don't think this should happen, even though in other circumstances it would be cute!

'Life is the most wonderful fairy tale of all!' - Hans Christian Andersen, from What The Whole Family Said

Re: Thanx for Harry info

2008-02-26T18:58:09Z

Llin wrote:

You're welcome, ooh, this fic sounds exciting!
Maybe we should have a thread for linking to fics?

I'd love to read other people's fanfic, provided that it's not rated X. (I've been unpleasantly surprised by some of the fanfic that's out there.)

As for the story I'm working on, it won't be done for quite some time. But I'm glad that it sounds exciting to you. :)

Re: Should Alan and SJ get together?

2008-02-14T04:00:26Z

Forgive me, but after such a long time not responding here I feel it necessary to do it. It is interesting reading all the points of view but in reality Sarah and Alan just can't ever get it on. I mean.... the woman is 60 [well the character is 56ish. ] The point is Alan is in his 30's and it's just not feasible for anyone to even ascertain the notion of them ever getting it on. I'd really love all this train of thought to disappear. It shouldn't even be discussed. I love Sarah and Alan both and it would be lovely for one or more of them to get a love interest if that is what it takes to keep the shallow soapy minded viewers entertained. Yes I'm all for the Superintendant of police that arrested Sarah in the Lost Boy to come calling upon her. He wasn't so bad looking and more in her age group. I really think the question of Sarah and Alan getting it on is moot. Sorry but I can't see the point in debating this issue at all. Of course people will, as that is freedom, and I love to read others' points of view but really......come on......in real life can you imagine your grandmother getting it on with your uncles' mate? Or your mum getting it on with your mate? Although......I have seen a few eps of Jerry Springer, so I guess it is possible. LOL.

Re: Merchandise

2008-02-13T04:12:01Z

Has everyone seen the board game?

http://www.forbiddenplanet.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=43009

Bet it's not as good as mine :P

'Life is the most wonderful fairy tale of all!' - Hans Christian Andersen, from What The Whole Family Said

Re: Thanx for Harry info

2008-02-13T04:07:41Z

You're welcome, ooh, this fic sounds exciting!
Maybe we should have a thread for linking to fics?

'Life is the most wonderful fairy tale of all!' - Hans Christian Andersen, from What The Whole Family Said

Re: Series Two - PSYCH!!!

2008-02-12T18:53:53Z

*sung during happy-dancing*

o/~ We got season 2, yeah! We got season 2, yeah! Torchwood cries boo-hoo, yeah! Coz we got season 2, yeah! Sarah's gonna kick them too, yeah! Coz she's got season 2! o/~

Normally I'd say "You've no idea how happy I was when I heard this news", except that this is the Sarah Jane Wardrobe Appreciation Society and everybody here *does* know, coz you're all just as happy ^___^ I am *THRILLED!!!!!* about this!! Lis Sladen's got the come-back she deserves and I just *love* what they've done with Sarah Jane, I was really hoping there'd be more. The ratings were so high (she was kicking down records with every episode!) I figured there'd have to be, but to have it confirmed is just so wonderful. Sarah's become so wise and capable and though she's not a genius, she's learned to really use the intelligence she was given; she's a wonderful role model, not only as a woman, but as an older (almost elderly! *gasp!!*) woman. She's kicking down stereotypes as well as records - go go Sarah Jane!

I'm really looking forward to more SJA also because of the excellent workmanship. The actors have developed their characters and owned them, making them strong and easily identifiable (contrast with Torchwood, who are "so secret, they don't even know their own characters' motivations" ^_~ ) The writing is strong, with good tight (if simplified) plots and a reliance on good storytelling (that's how you can tell it's a children's show *snerk* .....what do you mean 'my opinions are showing'? ^_^ ) Simply put, this is really good television, something that's been hard to find for the last two decades.

Re: DVD

2008-02-10T03:12:54Z

i have to admit that when i was watching the commentry for this and any others where Tom Baker was on it, i found it abit annoying and i now view him as abit of a dirty old man. It ruins it abit because i really want ot hear what Lis is saying about a scene or even her outfit and Tom just goes on about how cute so and so was

"There was only ever one man for me, and after him nothing compared"

Re: Series Two - PSYCH!!!

2008-02-09T23:09:05Z

My Oath!!!!!
I heard this a while back and was really stoked. I think they would be really stupid not to put more SJA on. It's a great show and has broken ratings records on CBBC and done really well on BBC. RTD and writers have done a wonderful job and the actors are all fantastic. It's a great show and even if it didn't have my old best mate Sarah in it, it'd still be a great show. Bring on more and more and more and more eps.

Thanx for Harry info

2008-02-09T20:00:36Z

Revolutionaren and Llin, thanks for the info on Harry books. Wow--I don't think it will be very easy for me to get my hands on these books. The reason that I'm so interested in Harry lately is that I'm writing a fan-fic story in which Harry makes a brief (and mysterious) appearance. I think that what I'm writing will fit in fine with the character's history (as it's detailed on Wikipedia), so I can still go forth with my story as planned.

DVD

2008-02-09T19:26:46Z

I just recently watched this DVD. Either in the commentary or in one of the extras, Elisabeth Sladen mentions the name of the shop where the costumers got the Andy Pandy outfit. Although the store is now closed, as far as I understand, those of you searching for vintage Andy Pandy duds may find it useful.

Is anyone else out there annoyed that all Tom Baker ever seems to talk about on his commentary tracks is how attractive he finds his female co-stars? It is really bugging me. I know he's an actor, and maybe playing the "dirty old man" is his shtick right now, but honestly! Why doesn't he ever talk about how good an actress Elisabeth Sladen (or Judith Paris, or Mary Tamm, etc.) is, instead of just talking about her body???

Thank goodness, on her commentary Elisabeth Sladen seems unafraid to mention how good her acting is. She does this in a very classy way. She doesn't sound conceited at all. She'll just say something like, "Ooh, that was a good bit," and then go on to explain what her mindset or inspiration was as she was acting that particular bit of the story.

This is still my favorite Dr. Who story, but if I ever listen to the audio commentary again I am going to tune out Tom Baker.

Yes!!! Yes!!! Yes!!!

2008-02-09T19:06:02Z

Yay--we FINALLY get official confirmation on Series Two! I am soooooo happy! And what's more, SJA will finally air in the USA!!! I am beyond ecstatic! :)

Re: The Monster of Peladon

2008-02-09T07:39:07Z

I absolutely loved this episode, it was the first one of Sarah with Jon pertwee's doctor that i saw. Their relationship is soo cute and the rapport between them is amazing, i am totally seeing them as a pairing now lol so in my little world Sarah is with like the 3rd 4th and 10th doctors and any others that are around lol.
I didn't mind this story being in 6 parts, i didn't even think that it should have been up in 4 parts because it allowed lots of cute moments between them, i love how they seem to be constantly touching each other and i was hooked completely, the cliff hangers are soo annoying i'm literally on the edge of my seat (even though i know that they both live). It is such a great story

"There was only ever one man for me, and after him nothing compared"

Series Two - PSYCH!!!

2008-02-08T11:17:57Z

So, yes, it's finally official, we're getting more!
I'm so happy - when news about SJA first got out I was pretty philosophical, and I was thinking, well, even if this is all we ever get, it's still six precious hours of SJ that nobody can ever take away. But then once I saw how COMPLETELY AWESOME it was, I realised that there HAD TO BE MORE.
So yes, I'm pretty happy right now.
Everyone else psyched?

'Life is the most wonderful fairy tale of all!' - Hans Christian Andersen, from What The Whole Family Said

Re: Harry

2008-02-02T18:05:06Z

Harry's been in a few books, some of which are part of the Short Trips range published by Big Finish, I've only read two of them personally. Big Finish used to have 'UNIT Christmas Parties: Ships that Pass' which has Harry in, which you could readon the website, but they seem to have taken it down D:

Anyway, there's also 'Damaged Goods' written by Russell T Davies himself, in which Harry has a cameo. There's other books, and as Llin said, there's a list on Wikipedia. Though some books are harder to get than others. I've seen Harry Sullivan's War sell for around £20. It depends how much of a Harry fan you are...

_{MAKE TEA. NOT WAR}

Re: Other Favourite Companions?

2008-02-02T10:14:52Z

Well aside from SJ, quite a lot really.
I like Harry cause he's adorable ( btw I love the Knight in SHining Armour vid), and I like Romana II, Peri, Tegan, Nyssa, Leela, Susan, Ian and Barbara. Oh, and the UNIT family because you have to love them.
So quite a lot

Re: Harry

2008-01-28T03:01:21Z

Dr. Dasha wrote:

Llin, thanks for the character profile of Harry! I have been trying to learn more about him lately. You mentioned that several original novels give info on him. I have heard of (but not yet read) _Harry Sullivan's War_. What other books tell about him?

You're welcome! To be honest I haven't yet read any of the books with Harry in, I got those bits of information from the Wikipedia entry and various other places, so there should be a list there of which books he's been in.

'Life is the most wonderful fairy tale of all!' - Hans Christian Andersen, from What The Whole Family Said

Re: The Monster of Peladon

2008-01-28T02:56:41Z

sarah_janesmith wrote:

watching monster of peladon makes me want to scratch my eyes out.

Oh no! Definitely don't watch it, then!

'Life is the most wonderful fairy tale of all!' - Hans Christian Andersen, from What The Whole Family Said

Harry

2008-01-27T17:30:06Z

Llin, thanks for the character profile of Harry! I have been trying to learn more about him lately. You mentioned that several original novels give info on him. I have heard of (but not yet read) _Harry Sullivan's War_. What other books tell about him?

Re: Merchandise

2008-01-27T17:26:49Z

*squees*
Awww!! Polly Pocket! I had (and er, still have) so many of them! I mean proper Polly Pocket, none of this new rubbish.
But seriously, a Polly Pocket-esque 13 Bannerman Road, complete with tiny little Sarah, K9, The Kids and what have you, would actually make my life.
I am such a big kid, yes I am.

_{MAKE TEA. NOT WAR}

Re: Merchandise

2008-01-27T09:02:44Z

Has everyone heard that they're doing three new Sarah action figures from SJA?
YAY! :D
Oh, and I've just thought what would be the funnest thing ever - 13 Bannerman Road Polly Pocket! Does anyone remember those, the little houses and things in those sort of clamshell cases? That would be adorable...

'Life is the most wonderful fairy tale of all!' - Hans Christian Andersen, from What The Whole Family Said

Re: Other Favourite Companions?

2008-01-27T09:01:28Z

I do think that, although the Doctor likes all of his companions, there are some that he really, really loves. Sarah is one of them, and I think Jamie is another. Also Evelyn, to whom I've only recently been introduced - but seriously, how cool?!

'Life is the most wonderful fairy tale of all!' - Hans Christian Andersen, from What The Whole Family Said

Re: Hand of Fear

2008-01-22T13:57:29Z

Hand of Fear was the first Who DVD I bought (and I haven't stopped since). I really enjoy it, it's not my favourite Sarah story, but it's a good 'un.
I think the whole trip to Kastria bit let it down though, they could have disposed of Eldrad sooner and had a longer goodbye scene.
Never the less, the ending is wonderfully underplayed and was so sad, really.

And then it turns out he dumped her in Aberdeen, I love how that joke was finally delivered thirty years later...

_{MAKE TEA. NOT WAR}

Re: Other Favourite Companions?

2008-01-22T13:47:57Z

Yes! I was watching some Two for the first time ever the other day (yes, yes, awful, I know). And Jamie is so cute! He and Two are all over each other. I loved it :D

_{MAKE TEA. NOT WAR}

Re: Merchandise

2008-01-21T17:38:09Z

im actually not a big collector but i do have a few action figures, of course i'd buy any sarah jane one they bring out, im waiting right now for the school reunion figure.

Re: Hand of Fear

2008-01-21T17:36:30Z

i love hand of fear, it was the first sarah dvd i bought.

i was a bit dissapointed that she dissapeared off the commentry for a bit too, but oh well.

great story.

Re: The Monster of Peladon

2008-01-21T12:52:50Z

watching monster of peladon makes me want to scratch my eyes out.

Re: The Monster of Peladon

2008-01-20T19:58:29Z

Saw this site while searching for reviews of the Monster of Peladon.

Wanted to say that the Monster of Peladon is definitely available in a video tape format.

Someone recently bought it for me off an internet source. It was on the expensive side for a Whovie (Who+movie) though.

The Curse of Peladon was great. We are only about halfway through with the Monster of Peladon. Good but different from the Curse of Peladon.

Re: Other Favourite Companions?

2008-01-20T15:13:59Z

Awwww. Jamie is lovely. He and Two were very cute together.

'Life is the most wonderful fairy tale of all!' - Hans Christian Andersen, from What The Whole Family Said

Re: Other Favourite Companions?

2008-01-18T19:38:45Z

Jamie! Oh my, do I feel the Jamie love and not merely because of the kilt ^_~ What a mouth that boy had! When it comes to spunk, he stands right and tall beside Our Lady of Perpetual Awesomeness.

Evil Bad Dude: "I have chosen to spare this man's life..."
Jamie: "You mean you missed!"

... really, how can you not love that?? ^__^

I liked the second Romana, and I liked Nyssa a lot. After Nyssa left, I really did not feel any companion love until Ace came along. I liked Rose until she went all Mary-Sue, and of course, love Captain Jack (though I think he works better as a companion than as Torchwood's Deus Ex Machina.)

Re: Hand of Fear

2008-01-14T18:23:41Z

Always loved it. I have been able to quote the entire final scene since it first aired. The DVD was good and so was the commentary and interviews. Tom Baker is a scream of a man. My only disappointment with the DVD is that Lis was not on the commentary for part of either the 3rd or 4th ep. THe bit where the Dr goes into the factory and makes her stay at the gate but she pushes her way in and follows him anyway. The Eldrad woman made comments about that and Tom did too but I really would have liked to hear Lis comment on it. It's one of my favourite scenes. I love all the commentaries, especially those with Tom Baker but as interesting as it is to listen to producers and directors tell us about things we would not usually have known, I do think there isn't enough talk from the actors about what is happening on screen. It's all about the guest actors, sets, makeup, lighting etc. I have the Planet of Evil DVD and it is nice to listen to Elisabeth finally get a chance to talk about the relationship between her and Tom and how that spilled over to enhance the relationship between the Dr and Sarah. There are alot of times when what the actors are doing and talking about on screen, you can't hear, because directors/producers are talking about some obscure technical thing when all I really want is to hear the actors speak about that funny line, or this funny blooper or who adlibbed and what that look really meant etc. I have all the DVDs and it is interesting to see how much more relaxed the actors have become and I find with Lis and Tom, they do talk more about the characters and things they did rather than the official stuff. One funny part in the Planet of Evil commentary is Tom yelling "Look look, there you are adoring me, Lis" So funny. But back to Hand of Fear......it is one of, if not the best of the DVDs so far, in my opinion anyway. I also see that a latest release is Tom Baker reading an audio of the Brain of Morbius. I wish they'd do the DVD on it because it is one of his favourites. I am just pleased about the fact that he is embracing all the DW stuff now and doing the interviews and commentaries.

Re: Other Favourite Companions?

2008-01-14T18:06:43Z

Very Cool about Polly's book. I can't believe I missed K-9. He's my favourite after SJ.

Re: Merchandise

2008-01-12T16:20:07Z

Stardoe wrote:

My friend started a DW club at his school and during lunch, he showed the kids Invasion of the Bane. They loved it so much that when asked to vote on whether to watch SJA or DW each day, they chose SJA.

YAY, go kids! Spread the word!
I showed Invasion of the Bane to the kids I taught out in Russia and they loved it, so I'm planning to send them out the rest of the series when I can.

'Life is the most wonderful fairy tale of all!' - Hans Christian Andersen, from What The Whole Family Said