Teman2, ada yang bisa bantu? (ibatis)

[Ogi-2]

Teman2 JUG, mohon pencerahannya.

Saya mendapatkan error, yang sampai sekarang saya tidak bisa resolve.
Cuplikan dari error log adalah seperti ini:

[20:10:48] CdmsMgr - getNextJob: java.sql.SQLException: Closed Connection
java.sql.SQLException: Closed Connection
        at
oracle.jdbc.driver.DatabaseError.throwSqlException(DatabaseError.java:112)
        at
oracle.jdbc.driver.DatabaseError.throwSqlException(DatabaseError.java:146)
        at
oracle.jdbc.driver.DatabaseError.throwSqlException(DatabaseError.java:208)
        at
oracle.jdbc.driver.PhysicalConnection.rollback(PhysicalConnection.java:1142)
        at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
        at
sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39)
        at
sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25)
        at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:585)
        at
com.ibatis.common.jdbc.SimpleDataSource$SimplePooledConnection.invoke(SimpleDataSource.java:958)
        at $Proxy0.rollback(Unknown Source)
        at
com.ibatis.sqlmap.engine.transaction.jdbc.JdbcTransaction.rollback(JdbcTransaction.java:72)
        at
com.ibatis.sqlmap.engine.transaction.TransactionManager.end(TransactionManager.java:105)
        at
com.ibatis.sqlmap.engine.impl.SqlMapExecutorDelegate.endTransaction(SqlMapExecutorDelegate.java:782)
        at
com.ibatis.sqlmap.engine.impl.SqlMapSessionImpl.endTransaction(SqlMapSessionImpl.java:176)
        at
com.ibatis.sqlmap.engine.impl.SqlMapClientImpl.endTransaction(SqlMapClientImpl.java:154)
*        at com.XXXX.db.mgr.rpcif.CdmsMgr.getNextJob(CdmsMgr.java:136)*
        at com.XXXX.rpcif.cdms.mt.MTSendDemon.run(MTSendDemon.java:132)
        at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:595)

Intinya, saya selalu mendapatkan error  java.sql.SQLException: Closed
Connection. Setelah googling sekian lama, akhirnya saya mendapatkan
kesimpulan bahwa error tersebut dikarenakan connection ke database terputus.
Tapi yang membuat saya heran, kenapa hanya terjadi di method
CdmsMgr.getNextJob(), sedangkan di tempat lain di aplikasi yang sama banyak
melakukan akses ke database, dan tidak menimbulkan error. Jadi, sebenarnya
apa yang menimbulkan error seperti di atas, dan bagaimana solusinya?

Mungkin ada rekan2 di JUG yang pernah mengalami hal yang sama? Oh ya,
databasenya adalah Oracle 10g, OS nya HP-UX, app servernya tomcat 5.5, dan
java 1.5.

code snipet CdmsMgr.getNextJob() , line 136 di code tersebut saya warnai
merah.

public ArrayList<MyQueue> getNextJob(String priority, String status, int
size) {
        SqlMapClient sqlMap = mDb.getOracleMap();
        ArrayList returnList = null;
        try {
            sqlMap.startTransaction();

            MyQueuePa pa = new MyQueuePa();
            pa.setPriority(priority);
            pa.setStatus(status);
            pa.setFromIndex(1);
            pa.setToIndex(size);
            returnList = (ArrayList)
sqlMap.queryForList("rpcif.Cdms.getNextJob", pa) ;
            //ArrayList list = (ArrayList)
sqlMap.queryForList("rpcif.Cdms.getNextJob", pa);
            for (Iterator<MyQueue> it = returnList.iterator();
it.hasNext();) {
                MyQueue q = it.next();
                q.setStatus(MyQueue.SC_START);
                sqlMap.update("rpcif.Cdms.setJobMark", q);
            }

            sqlMap.commitTransaction();

        }
        catch (SQLException e) {
            mLogger.error(e, e);

        }
        finally {
            try {
                sqlMap.endTransaction();
            } catch (SQLException e) {
                mLogger.error(e, e);
            }
        }
        return returnList;
    }

dan rpcif.Cdms.getNextJob

<select id="getNextJob" parameterClass="com.*XXXX*.db.entity.rpcif.MyQueue"
resultMap="MyQueue_re">
        select sms_id, tid, sid, tariff_code, mdn, title, caid, ca_url,
msg_time, mt_sc, dr_sc, priority,
        status, resend_yn
        from tsms_queue
        where priority =#priority# and status=#status#
        and rownum <![CDATA[<= ]]> #toIndex# order by sms_id
        <!--FOR UPDATE-->
 </select>

Terima kasih sebelumnya..

[Ogi-2]

Maaf, salah cut-n-paste.

Error nya seperti ini..:


java.sql.SQLException: Io exception: Socket closed
         at
oracle.jdbc.driver.DatabaseError.throwSqlException(DatabaseError.java:11\
2)
         at
oracle.jdbc.driver.DatabaseError.throwSqlException(DatabaseError.java:14\
6)
         at
oracle.jdbc.driver.DatabaseError.throwSqlException(DatabaseError.java:25\
5)
         at
oracle.jdbc.driver.T4CConnection.doRollback(T4CConnection.java:577)
         at
oracle.jdbc.driver.PhysicalConnection.rollback(PhysicalConnection.java:1\
145)
         at
com.ibatis.common.jdbc.SimpleDataSource.popConnection(SimpleDataSource.j\
ava:629)
         at
com.ibatis.common.jdbc.SimpleDataSource.getConnection(SimpleDataSource.j\
ava:222)
         at
com.ibatis.sqlmap.engine.transaction.jdbc.JdbcTransaction.init(JdbcTrans\
action.java:48)
         at
com.ibatis.sqlmap.engine.transaction.jdbc.JdbcTransaction.getConnection(\
JdbcTransaction.java:89)
         at
com.ibatis.sqlmap.engine.mapping.statement.GeneralStatement.executeQuery\
ForList(GeneralStatement.java:123)
         at
com.ibatis.sqlmap.engine.impl.SqlMapExecutorDelegate.queryForList(SqlMap\
ExecutorDelegate.java:615)
         at
com.ibatis.sqlmap.engine.impl.SqlMapExecutorDelegate.queryForList(SqlMap\
ExecutorDelegate.java:589)
         at
com.ibatis.sqlmap.engine.impl.SqlMapSessionImpl.queryForList(SqlMapSessi\
onImpl.java:118)
         at
com.ibatis.sqlmap.engine.impl.SqlMapClientImpl.queryForList(SqlMapClient\
Impl.java:95)
         at com.indosat.db.mgr.rpcif.CdmsMgr.getNextJob(CdmsMgr.java:136)
         at
com.indosat.rpcif.cdms.mt.MTSendDemon.run(MTSendDemon.java:132)
         at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:595)


--- In jug-indonesia@..., Ogi <ogi.prayogo@...> wrote:
>
> Teman2 JUG, mohon pencerahannya.

[Samuel Franklyn]

Ogi wrote:

>
> Teman2 JUG, mohon pencerahannya.
>
> Saya mendapatkan error, yang sampai sekarang saya tidak bisa resolve.
> Cuplikan dari error log adalah seperti ini:
>
> [20:10:48] CdmsMgr - getNextJob: java.sql.SQLException: Closed Connection
> java.sql.SQLException: Closed Connection
>         at
> oracle.jdbc.driver.DatabaseError.throwSqlException(DatabaseError.java:112)
>         at
> oracle.jdbc.driver.DatabaseError.throwSqlException(DatabaseError.java:146)
>         at
> oracle.jdbc.driver.DatabaseError.throwSqlException(DatabaseError.java:208)
>         at
> oracle.jdbc.driver.PhysicalConnection.rollback(PhysicalConnection.java:1142)
>         at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
>         at
> sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:39)
>         at
> sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:25)
>         at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:585)
>         at
> com.ibatis.common.jdbc.SimpleDataSource$SimplePooledConnection.invoke(SimpleDataSource.java:958)
>         at $Proxy0.rollback(Unknown Source)
>         at
> com.ibatis.sqlmap.engine.transaction.jdbc.JdbcTransaction.rollback(JdbcTransaction.java:72)
>         at
> com.ibatis.sqlmap.engine.transaction.TransactionManager.end(TransactionManager.java:105)
>         at
> com.ibatis.sqlmap.engine.impl.SqlMapExecutorDelegate.endTransaction(SqlMapExecutorDelegate.java:782)
>         at
> com.ibatis.sqlmap.engine.impl.SqlMapSessionImpl.endTransaction(SqlMapSessionImpl.java:176)
>         at
> com.ibatis.sqlmap.engine.impl.SqlMapClientImpl.endTransaction(SqlMapClientImpl.java:154)
> *        at com.XXXX.db.mgr.rpcif.CdmsMgr.getNextJob(CdmsMgr.java:136)*
>         at com.XXXX.rpcif.cdms.mt.MTSendDemon.run(MTSendDemon.java:132)
>         at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:595)
>
> Intinya, saya selalu mendapatkan error  java.sql.SQLException: Closed
> Connection. Setelah googling sekian lama, akhirnya saya mendapatkan
> kesimpulan bahwa error tersebut dikarenakan connection ke database
> terputus. Tapi yang membuat saya heran, kenapa hanya terjadi di method
> CdmsMgr.getNextJob(), sedangkan di tempat lain di aplikasi yang sama
> banyak melakukan akses ke database, dan tidak menimbulkan error. Jadi,
> sebenarnya apa yang menimbulkan error seperti di atas, dan bagaimana
> solusinya?
>
> Mungkin ada rekan2 di JUG yang pernah mengalami hal yang sama? Oh ya,
> databasenya adalah Oracle 10g, OS nya HP-UX, app servernya tomcat 5.5,
> dan java 1.5.
>
> code snipet CdmsMgr.getNextJob() , line 136 di code tersebut saya warnai
> merah.
>
> public ArrayList<MyQueue> getNextJob(String priority, String status, int
> size) {
>         SqlMapClient sqlMap = mDb.getOracleMap();
>         ArrayList returnList = null;
>         try {
>             sqlMap.startTransaction();
>
>             MyQueuePa pa = new MyQueuePa();
>             pa.setPriority(priority);
>             pa.setStatus(status);
>             pa.setFromIndex(1);
>             pa.setToIndex(size);
>             returnList = (ArrayList)
> sqlMap.queryForList("rpcif.Cdms.getNextJob", pa) ;
>             //ArrayList list = (ArrayList)
> sqlMap.queryForList("rpcif.Cdms.getNextJob", pa);
>             for (Iterator<MyQueue> it = returnList.iterator();
> it.hasNext();) {
>                 MyQueue q = it.next();
>                 q.setStatus(MyQueue.SC_START);
>                 sqlMap.update("rpcif.Cdms.setJobMark", q);
>             }
>
>             sqlMap.commitTransaction();
>
>         }
>         catch (SQLException e) {
>             mLogger.error(e, e);
>            
>         }
>         finally {
>             try {
>                 sqlMap.endTransaction();
>             } catch (SQLException e) {
>                 mLogger.error(e, e);
>             }
>         }
>         return returnList;
>     }
>
> dan rpcif.Cdms.getNextJob
>
> <select id="getNextJob"
> parameterClass="com.*XXXX*.db.entity.rpcif.MyQueue" resultMap="MyQueue_re">
>         select sms_id, tid, sid, tariff_code, mdn, title, caid, ca_url,
> msg_time, mt_sc, dr_sc, priority,
>         status, resend_yn
>         from tsms_queue
>         where priority =#priority# and status=#status#
>         and rownum <![CDATA[<= ]]> #toIndex# order by sms_id
>         <!--FOR UPDATE-->
>  </select>
>

Ini sekedar dugaan saja ya karena saya tidak pakai Oracle.
Tapi kalau dilihat dari errornya koneksi ditutup
karena terjadi rollback. Anda melakukan select for update
lalu melakukan update. Mungkinkah loop melakukan update anda
itu cukup lama sehingga pada saat yang bersamaan
ada user yang mengupdate juga? Karena ada update bersamaan
maka terjadi deadlock lalu program anda yang dipilih oleh
database untuk di tutup koneksinya untuk menghentikan deadlock?

Lalu solusinya bagaimana? Anda jangan melakukan select for update
pada banyak record melainkan cuma pada 1 record saja. Ini akan
mengurangi kemungkinan deadlock.

[ANDI KUSNADI-3]

Memakai connection bertipe Serializable , jangan yang read Uncommited.
kalau di Sun Apps itu ada settingannya di JDBC .
dan database oracle udah bisa TRUE serializable connection.


 Best Regards,


Andi Kusnadi,Skom
0813 1883 92 37
programmer .net, java, streamezzo



----- Original Message ----
From: Samuel Franklyn <sfranklyn@...>
To: jug-indonesia@...
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 8:35:46 AM
Subject: Re: [JUG-Indonesia]  Teman2, ada yang bisa bantu? (ibatis)


Ogi wrote:

>
> Teman2 JUG, mohon pencerahannya.
>
> Saya mendapatkan error, yang sampai sekarang saya tidak bisa resolve.
> Cuplikan dari error log adalah seperti ini:
>
> [20:10:48] CdmsMgr - getNextJob: java.sql.SQLExcepti on: Closed Connection
> java.sql.SQLExcepti on: Closed Connection
>         at
> oracle.jdbc. driver.DatabaseE rror.throwSqlExc eption(DatabaseE rror.java: 112)
>         at
> oracle.jdbc. driver.DatabaseE rror.throwSqlExc eption(DatabaseE rror.java: 146)
>         at
> oracle.jdbc. driver.DatabaseE rror.throwSqlExc eption(DatabaseE rror.java: 208)
>         at
> oracle.jdbc. driver.PhysicalC onnection. rollback( PhysicalConnecti on.java:1142)
>         at sun.reflect. NativeMethodAcce ssorImpl. invoke0(Native Method)
>         at
> sun.reflect. NativeMethodAcce ssorImpl. invoke(NativeMet hodAccessorImpl. java:39)
>         at
> sun.reflect. DelegatingMethod AccessorImpl. invoke(Delegatin gMethodAccessorI mpl.java: 25)
>         at java.lang.reflect. Method.invoke( Method.java: 585)
>         at
> com.ibatis.common. jdbc.SimpleDataS ource$SimplePool edConnection. invoke(SimpleDat aSource.java: 958)
>         at $Proxy0.rollback( Unknown Source)
>         at
> com.ibatis.sqlmap. engine.transacti on.jdbc.JdbcTran saction.rollback (JdbcTransaction .java:72)
>         at
> com.ibatis.sqlmap. engine.transacti on.TransactionMa nager.end( TransactionManag er.java:105)
>         at
> com.ibatis.sqlmap. engine.impl. SqlMapExecutorDe legate.endTransa ction(SqlMapExec utorDelegate. java:782)
>         at
> com.ibatis.sqlmap. engine.impl. SqlMapSessionImp l.endTransaction (SqlMapSessionIm pl.java:176)
>         at
> com.ibatis.sqlmap. engine.impl. SqlMapClientImpl .endTransaction( SqlMapClientImpl .java:154)
> *        at com.XXXX.db. mgr.rpcif. CdmsMgr.getNextJ ob(CdmsMgr. java:136) *
>         at com.XXXX.rpcif. cdms.mt.MTSendDe mon.run(MTSendDe mon.java: 132)
>         at java.lang.Thread. run(Thread. java:595)
>
> Intinya, saya selalu mendapatkan error  java.sql.SQLExcepti on: Closed
> Connection. Setelah googling sekian lama, akhirnya saya mendapatkan
> kesimpulan bahwa error tersebut dikarenakan connection ke database
> terputus. Tapi yang membuat saya heran, kenapa hanya terjadi di method
> CdmsMgr.getNextJob( ), sedangkan di tempat lain di aplikasi yang sama
> banyak melakukan akses ke database, dan tidak menimbulkan error. Jadi,
> sebenarnya apa yang menimbulkan error seperti di atas, dan bagaimana
> solusinya?
>
> Mungkin ada rekan2 di JUG yang pernah mengalami hal yang sama? Oh ya,
> databasenya adalah Oracle 10g, OS nya HP-UX, app servernya tomcat 5.5,
> dan java 1.5.
>
> code snipet CdmsMgr.getNextJob( ) , line 136 di code tersebut saya warnai
> merah.
>
> public ArrayList<MyQueue> getNextJob(String priority, String status, int
> size) {
>         SqlMapClient sqlMap = mDb.getOracleMap( );
>         ArrayList returnList = null;
>         try {
>             sqlMap.startTransac tion();
>
>             MyQueuePa pa = new MyQueuePa();
>             pa.setPriority( priority) ;
>             pa.setStatus( status);
>             pa.setFromIndex( 1);
>             pa.setToIndex( size);
>             returnList = (ArrayList)
> sqlMap.queryForList ("rpcif.Cdms. getNextJob" , pa) ;
>             //ArrayList list = (ArrayList)
> sqlMap.queryForList ("rpcif.Cdms. getNextJob" , pa);
>             for (Iterator<MyQueue> it = returnList.iterator ();
> it.hasNext() ;) {
>                 MyQueue q = it.next();
>                 q.setStatus( MyQueue.SC_ START);
>                 sqlMap.update( "rpcif.Cdms. setJobMark" , q);
>             }
>
>             sqlMap.commitTransa ction();
>
>         }
>         catch (SQLException e) {
>             mLogger.error( e, e);
>
>         }
>         finally {
>             try {
>                 sqlMap.endTransacti on();
>             } catch (SQLException e) {
>                 mLogger.error( e, e);
>             }
>         }
>         return returnList;
>     }
>
> dan rpcif.Cdms.getNextJ ob
>
> <select id="getNextJob"
> parameterClass= "com.*XXXX* .db.entity. rpcif.MyQueue" resultMap="MyQueue_ re">
>         select sms_id, tid, sid, tariff_code, mdn, title, caid, ca_url,
> msg_time, mt_sc, dr_sc, priority,
>         status, resend_yn
>         from tsms_queue
>         where priority =#priority# and status=#status#
>         and rownum <![CDATA[<= ]]> #toIndex# order by sms_id
>         <!--FOR UPDATE-->
>  </select>
>

Ini sekedar dugaan saja ya karena saya tidak pakai Oracle.
Tapi kalau dilihat dari errornya koneksi ditutup
karena terjadi rollback. Anda melakukan select for update
lalu melakukan update. Mungkinkah loop melakukan update anda
itu cukup lama sehingga pada saat yang bersamaan
ada user yang mengupdate juga? Karena ada update bersamaan
maka terjadi deadlock lalu program anda yang dipilih oleh
database untuk di tutup koneksinya untuk menghentikan deadlock?

Lalu solusinya bagaimana? Anda jangan melakukan select for update
pada banyak record melainkan cuma pada 1 record saja. Ini akan
mengurangi kemungkinan deadlock.
   


     

[Ogi-2]

Pak Samuel, terima kasih responsnya.
Dugaan pak Samuel sama dengan dugaan awal saya.

select sms_id, tid, sid, tariff_code, mdn, title, caid, ca_url, msg_time,
mt_sc, dr_sc, priority,
        status, resend_yn
        from tsms_queue
        where priority =#priority# and status=#status#
        and rownum <![CDATA[<= ]]> #toIndex# order by sms_id
        <!--FOR UPDATE-->

statement "FOR UPDATE" nya saya comment, saat ini aplikasi berjalan dengan
error yang sama berkurang. Masih terjadi, tapi jauuh berkurang. Tapi error
tersebut masih terjadi.

Query ini memang di-execute sering sekali dalam 1 detik, karena terus
menerus mengecek queue. Mungkin ada baiknya juga apabila saya tambahkan
waktu "sleep"nya dalam thread..
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do you sp[eak english?



     

[Dedy Alamsyah]

welcome aboard sir  !
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Rodel Andawey
  To: jug-indonesia@...
  Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:43 AM
  Subject: [JUG-Indonesia] hellow!


        do you sp[eak english?
       



   

[Ardhio Wibowo Sutjipto]

Where're you from? Btw

 

Of course ppl here almost all speak English :D

 

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Sent: 25 Juli 2008 12:43
To: jug-indonesia@...
Subject: [JUG-Indonesia] hellow!

 

do you sp[eak english?


 

[Necromancer-2]

Welcome to Java user Group Indonesia,  Rodel.

Our primary language is bahasa Indonesia, but you can post your question in
english and get the answer in english too;)

 

From: jug-indonesia@... [mailto:jug-indonesia@...]
On Behalf Of Rodel Andawey
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:43 AM
To: jug-indonesia@...
Subject: [JUG-Indonesia] hellow!

 


do you sp[eak english?

 

 

[Rodel Andawey]

--- In jug-indonesia@..., "Necromancer" <masmarga@...> wrote:
>
> Welcome to Java user Group Indonesia,  Rodel.
>
> Our primary language is bahasa Indonesia, but you can post your
question in
> english and get the answer in english too;)
>
>  
>
> From: jug-indonesia@...
[mailto:jug-indonesia@...]
> On Behalf Of Rodel Andawey
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:43 AM
> To: jug-indonesia@...
> Subject: [JUG-Indonesia] hellow!
>
>  
>
> would you help me to learn the concept of programming? and can you
guys give me a favor?
> do you sp[eak english?
>

[Rodel Andawey]

--- In jug-indonesia@..., "Ardhio Wibowo Sutjipto"
<Ardhio.Sutjipto@...> wrote:

>
> Where're you from? Btw
>
>  
>
> Of course ppl here almost all speak English :D
>
>  
>
> --
>
> Please plug in to add some intelligence.
>
> http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d40/bowozer/intelplug.gif
>
> Thank you:-).
>
>  
> helow! i'm from Phillipines... would it be fine if i will be joining

the group?

> ________________________________
>
> From: jug-indonesia@...
> [mailto:jug-indonesia@...] On Behalf Of Rodel Andawey
> Sent: 25 Juli 2008 12:43
> To: jug-indonesia@...
> Subject: [JUG-Indonesia] hellow!
>
>  
>
> do you sp[eak english?
>

[Alpha Bagus Sunggono]

You're welcome.
If you want to learn about algorithm , you better get article from MIT
OpenCourse.
If you need something flavor about wise of veteran coders,
you may read "Hacker's Delight" and
Art of Programming.

Am I answer your question?


On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 11:35 AM, rhod087 <rhod087@...> wrote:

>> would you help me to learn the concept of programming? and can you
> guys give me a favor?
>> do you sp[eak english?
>>
>
>



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[Indonesia] sebuah bangsa kuli dan jadi kuli bangsa-bangsa lain

eine Nation von koeli und koeli unter den Nationen
(Helfferich)

[jesperForum]

when you are asking about concept programming, i think there are a lot
of programming concepts, you should have heard about OOP (Object
Oriented Programming), and it is also a concept, and its too wide to
describe, and as standard manner you can get from google or wiki if
you're new with a word or statement, here is the link in wiki about
OOP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Object_oriented

and it's good choice for you to join java mailing list, because java
is made for OOP concept.

and the last thing is it will be better for us to try build
applications using java rather than reading books or other theories,
and asking each other when we find an error in our applications, coz
there are plenty of technologies/some other stuff that we cannot
mastered all of them.


--- In jug-indonesia@..., "rhod087" <rhod087@...> wrote:

>
> --- In jug-indonesia@..., "Necromancer" <masmarga@> wrote:
> >
> > Welcome to Java user Group Indonesia,  Rodel.
> >
> > Our primary language is bahasa Indonesia, but you can post your
> question in
> > english and get the answer in english too;)
> >
> >  
> >
> > From: jug-indonesia@...
> [mailto:jug-indonesia@...]
> > On Behalf Of Rodel Andawey
> > Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:43 AM
> > To: jug-indonesia@...
> > Subject: [JUG-Indonesia] hellow!
> >
> >  
> >
> > would you help me to learn the concept of programming? and can you
> guys give me a favor?
> > do you sp[eak english?
> >
>

[FITRAZH AL-KHANZA]

welcome...... in jug INDONESIA. kopi Hangat for you....