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Tcl/Tk on the iPhone

by Hans-Christoph Steiner :: Rate this Message:

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Has anyone tried building Tcl/Tk on the iPhone?

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Re: Tcl/Tk on the iPhone

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Hi Hans,
wouldn't that require moving from Carbon to Cocoa?

There was quite a bit of discussion about the future of Carbon on  
this mailing list a while ago.

kind regards,
Uwe


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Re: Tcl/Tk on the iPhone

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Right, I forgot that.  I wonder if there is X11 for iPhone.  Then Tcl/
Tk could be built for that.  It seems there used to be, but now there  
is the official SDK...

.hc

On Mar 17, 2008, at 4:14 AM, Uwe Kirschner wrote:

> Hi Hans,
> wouldn't that require moving from Carbon to Cocoa?
>
> There was quite a bit of discussion about the future of Carbon on
> this mailing list a while ago.
>
> kind regards,
> Uwe
>
>
> On 16.03.2008, at 23:12, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>>
>> Has anyone tried building Tcl/Tk on the iPhone?
>>
>> .hc
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Re: Tcl/Tk on the iPhone

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You are right that there is no Carbon on the phone.  But also the  
iPhone UIKit (the marketing name is Cocoa Touch) isn't the same as  
Cocoa, it's got different upper level event & drawing models.  Both  
are ObjC and as you get into the lower layers they start looking the  
same, but there would be differences in the ports to Cocoa & Cocoa  
Touch.

Jim

On Mar 17, 2008, at 1:14 AM, Uwe Kirschner wrote:

> Hi Hans,
> wouldn't that require moving from Carbon to Cocoa?
>
> There was quite a bit of discussion about the future of Carbon on
> this mailing list a while ago.
>
> kind regards,
> Uwe
>
>
> On 16.03.2008, at 23:12, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>
>>
>> Has anyone tried building Tcl/Tk on the iPhone?
>>
>> .hc
>>
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Re: Tcl/Tk on the iPhone

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     I think you're looking more at doing what the guy who wrote  
PalmTcl did.  Which was basically creating a Tcl layer with hooks into  
the guts to make writing apps really pleasant.  Then, you can use Tcl  
to write your apps, but you don't get Tk, you use the native routines  
to do whatever.

     Mind you, you could model your new interface after Tk and get  
pretty decent results.  Not sure why you'd wanna' do this other than  
just writing in Tcl instead of ObjC, because you're going to end up  
writing a bunch of ObjC to get it all up and running anyway. 0-]

     In the end, it would be kinda' cool.  Everyone will hate you  
because you didn't choose Python, Ruby or language of the week though.  
0-]  I would probably base the work around Jim though (not Jim Ingham,  
the Jim language) so that you can get Tcl's syntax in a very small  
footprint.

D


On Mar 20, 2008, at 12:14 PM, Jim Ingham wrote:

> You are right that there is no Carbon on the phone.  But also the
> iPhone UIKit (the marketing name is Cocoa Touch) isn't the same as
> Cocoa, it's got different upper level event & drawing models.  Both
> are ObjC and as you get into the lower layers they start looking the
> same, but there would be differences in the ports to Cocoa & Cocoa
> Touch.
>
> Jim
>
> On Mar 17, 2008, at 1:14 AM, Uwe Kirschner wrote:
>> Hi Hans,
>> wouldn't that require moving from Carbon to Cocoa?
>>
>> There was quite a bit of discussion about the future of Carbon on
>> this mailing list a while ago.
>>
>> kind regards,
>> Uwe
>>
>>
>> On 16.03.2008, at 23:12, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Has anyone tried building Tcl/Tk on the iPhone?
>>>
>>> .hc
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Re: Tcl/Tk on the iPhone

by J. Todd Slack :: Rate this Message:

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Hi All,

I have some free time, I could port from Carbon to Cocoa, I have done this
many a times for other companies. Does anyone think this would be a good
idea and a worthwhile undertaking? I have the next 6+ months...

-Jason




On 3/20/08 10:14 AM, "Jim Ingham" <jingham@...> wrote:

> You are right that there is no Carbon on the phone.  But also the
> iPhone UIKit (the marketing name is Cocoa Touch) isn't the same as
> Cocoa, it's got different upper level event & drawing models.  Both
> are ObjC and as you get into the lower layers they start looking the
> same, but there would be differences in the ports to Cocoa & Cocoa
> Touch.
>
> Jim
>
> On Mar 17, 2008, at 1:14 AM, Uwe Kirschner wrote:
>> Hi Hans,
>> wouldn't that require moving from Carbon to Cocoa?
>>
>> There was quite a bit of discussion about the future of Carbon on
>> this mailing list a while ago.
>>
>> kind regards,
>> Uwe
>>
>>
>> On 16.03.2008, at 23:12, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Has anyone tried building Tcl/Tk on the iPhone?
>>>
>>> .hc
>>>
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Re: Tcl/Tk on the iPhone

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On Mar 20, 2008, at 3:54 PM, J. Todd Slack wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have some free time, I could port from Carbon to Cocoa, I have  
> done this many a times for other companies. Does anyone think this  
> would be a good idea and a worthwhile undertaking? I have the next 6
> + months...

If you were to accomplish that, many, many, many TCL/TK fans would  
worship you openly at Starbucks shops all over this planet :-).  And,  
you could probably get your own channel on Sirius.

Such a success would definitely move me more into the TCL/TK camp for  
more than simple tools.

Tim


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Re: Tcl/Tk on the iPhone

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Hi Tim,

Well if enough people here think that it would be beneficial, I am happy to
work on it and blog my progress. I have the next 6+ months at least of down
time from corporate BS.

Maybe people here can help me formulate a game plan?

Jason


On 3/20/08 4:10 PM, "Tim Jones" <tjmac@...> wrote:

>
> On Mar 20, 2008, at 3:54 PM, J. Todd Slack wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have some free time, I could port from Carbon to Cocoa, I have
>> done this many a times for other companies. Does anyone think this
>> would be a good idea and a worthwhile undertaking? I have the next 6
>> + months...
>
> If you were to accomplish that, many, many, many TCL/TK fans would
> worship you openly at Starbucks shops all over this planet :-).  And,
> you could probably get your own channel on Sirius.
>
> Such a success would definitely move me more into the TCL/TK camp for
> more than simple tools.
>
> Tim
>
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Re: Tcl/Tk on the iPhone

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On Thu, Mar 20, 2008 at 7:14 PM, J. Todd Slack
<mailinglists@...> wrote:

>  Hi Tim,
>
>  Well if enough people here think that it would be beneficial, I am happy to
>  work on it and blog my progress. I have the next 6+ months at least of down
>  time from corporate BS.
>
>  Maybe people here can help me formulate a game plan?
>
>  Jason

Although I am not knowledgeable about the particular challenges of
porting Tcl/Tk to Cocoa (for the iPhone or the Mac), I get the
impression it would be a valuable step in the long-range life of
Tcl/Tk on the Mac, and therefore a welcome effort.

I see that some Cocoa work has been listed as an idea for a Google
"Summer of Code" project. I don't know much about that program, but
the description is here: http://wiki.tcl.tk/20832#pagetoc8a734dd7

I remember there have been a few threads in the past year or so about
Cocoa, such as http://aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/Mail/Message/tcl-mac/3505520

Kevin Walzer has written about the Tcl/Tk Carbon/Cocoa issue, too:
http://www.codebykevin.com/blosxom.cgi

Jim

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Re: Tcl/Tk on the iPhone

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J. Todd Slack wrote:

> Hi Tim,
>
> Well if enough people here think that it would be beneficial, I am happy to
> work on it and blog my progress. I have the next 6+ months at least of down
> time from corporate BS.
>
> Maybe people here can help me formulate a game plan?
>
> Jason
>

Not sure what the game plan should be, but I for one salute your efforts.

Perhaps Daniel Steffen or Jim Ingham can chime in with more detail about
possible approaches to take.

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Re: Tcl/Tk on the iPhone

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On 21/03/2008, at 7:54 AM, J. Todd Slack wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I have some free time, I could port from Carbon to Cocoa, I have  
> done this
> many a times for other companies. Does anyone think this would be a  
> good
> idea and a worthwhile undertaking?

Is the Pope a Catholic?

Jason, if you've got the time and the interest then I'm sure that many  
many people will appreciate the effort.

Steve

> On 3/20/08 10:14 AM, "Jim Ingham" <jingham@...> wrote:
>
>> You are right that there is no Carbon on the phone.  But also the
>> iPhone UIKit (the marketing name is Cocoa Touch) isn't the same as
>> Cocoa, it's got different upper level event & drawing models.  Both
>> are ObjC and as you get into the lower layers they start looking the
>> same, but there would be differences in the ports to Cocoa & Cocoa
>> Touch.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2008, at 1:14 AM, Uwe Kirschner wrote:
>>> Hi Hans,
>>> wouldn't that require moving from Carbon to Cocoa?
>>>
>>> There was quite a bit of discussion about the future of Carbon on
>>> this mailing list a while ago.
>>>
>>> kind regards,
>>> Uwe
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16.03.2008, at 23:12, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone tried building Tcl/Tk on the iPhone?
>>>>
>>>> .hc
>>>>
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Re: Tcl/Tk on the iPhone

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Le 20 mars 08 à 23:54, J. Todd Slack a écrit :

> I have some free time, I could port from Carbon to Cocoa, I have  
> done this
> many a times for other companies. Does anyone think this would be a  
> good
> idea and a worthwhile undertaking? I have the next 6+ months...


Of course it is! I have no skill to help you for this (except testing)  
but your effort will be very welcome all over the (mac || tcl)world.

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Re: Tcl/Tk on the iPhone

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I throw in my words of support, I think it sounds like a very good  
project to bring Tcl up to date. :)

.hc

On Mar 21, 2008, at 12:25 AM, Steve Landers wrote:

>
> On 21/03/2008, at 7:54 AM, J. Todd Slack wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I have some free time, I could port from Carbon to Cocoa, I have
>> done this
>> many a times for other companies. Does anyone think this would be a
>> good
>> idea and a worthwhile undertaking?
>
> Is the Pope a Catholic?
>
> Jason, if you've got the time and the interest then I'm sure that many
> many people will appreciate the effort.
>
> Steve
>
>> On 3/20/08 10:14 AM, "Jim Ingham" <jingham@...> wrote:
>>
>>> You are right that there is no Carbon on the phone.  But also the
>>> iPhone UIKit (the marketing name is Cocoa Touch) isn't the same as
>>> Cocoa, it's got different upper level event & drawing models.  Both
>>> are ObjC and as you get into the lower layers they start looking the
>>> same, but there would be differences in the ports to Cocoa & Cocoa
>>> Touch.
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2008, at 1:14 AM, Uwe Kirschner wrote:
>>>> Hi Hans,
>>>> wouldn't that require moving from Carbon to Cocoa?
>>>>
>>>> There was quite a bit of discussion about the future of Carbon on
>>>> this mailing list a while ago.
>>>>
>>>> kind regards,
>>>> Uwe
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 16.03.2008, at 23:12, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone tried building Tcl/Tk on the iPhone?
>>>>>
>>>>> .hc
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Parent Message unknown Re: Tcl/Tk on the iPhone

by Torsten Berg :: Rate this Message:

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> I could port from Carbon to Cocoa, I have done this
> many a times for other companies. Does anyone think this would be a
> good idea and a worthwhile undertaking?
>>


This would be fantastic! It is definitely worth the work, however  
hard it may be (I can't tell).

Although it would be a great thing to have Tcl on the iPhone (would  
make it even harder for me not to buy it) I woud propose to focus on  
Tcl for the Mac in the first place. The user community is much larger  
there, and I would assume help is nearer too. And, Tcl and Tk already  
run on the Mac, so this is a good place to start, while the iPhone  
doesn't even have Tcl now. Is there a Tcl version for the iPhone CPU  
(ARM?) anyway?

Torsten

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Re: Tcl/Tk on the iPhone

by J. Todd Slack :: Rate this Message:

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Hi All,

OK, well since a lot of people think this is worth while, I will start  
doing this and I will blog my progress.

I will post a URL to the blog in a few days, I am re-arranging my web  
hosting now based upon some other business items.

Feel free to contact me anytime for an update.

-Jason




On Mar 22, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Torsten Berg wrote:

>
>> I could port from Carbon to Cocoa, I have done this
>> many a times for other companies. Does anyone think this would be a
>> good idea and a worthwhile undertaking?
>>>
>
>
> This would be fantastic! It is definitely worth the work, however
> hard it may be (I can't tell).
>
> Although it would be a great thing to have Tcl on the iPhone (would
> make it even harder for me not to buy it) I woud propose to focus on
> Tcl for the Mac in the first place. The user community is much larger
> there, and I would assume help is nearer too. And, Tcl and Tk already
> run on the Mac, so this is a good place to start, while the iPhone
> doesn't even have Tcl now. Is there a Tcl version for the iPhone CPU
> (ARM?) anyway?
>
> Torsten
>
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