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Super Intelligent Machines.I watched a Horizon documentary some time ago concerning the building of an Artilect (Artificial intellect, i.e. Super Intelligent Machine). The Artilect in the Horizon programme was being based on the way the human brain works, but with the potential of being up to a trillion times more intelligent with the addition of computer programming. Could this artilect possibly retain the defence mechanism of a human brain without anyone realising it? At one point in the programme an experiment was shown in which a monkey was physically moving a control stick with its hand and also had electrodes & wires attached from its head to the same control stick. The monkey then released its grip on the control stick and was able to manipulate the control stick just by thinking about it, i.e. electrical impulses from the monkey's
brain were being transmitted down the wires to the control stick (or so we were told). If a monkey could do that, then is it possible that electrical impulses (such as radio waves) could be emitted from a super intelligent machine to control the electrical impulses in the human brain in order to manipulate humans? Would we humans be able to comprehend how ingenious such a machine could be? Once a super intelligent machine was switched on, humans might never again be in control of their own minds to be able to switch it off. Please discuss.
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Re: Super Intelligent Machines.Perhaps this is a good reason for humans to put more effort into keeping their minds strong and protected from machine invasion. Some define human beings as having free will and freedom of choice. Removing that part of the definition for humans, can create a need for another definition, such as BORG. Their must be some sort of protective fabric that humans can wear, and exercises, to help protect their brains from becoming invaded by artilects.
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Re: Super Intelligent Machines.Maybe we would have to wear a wet towel around our heads like in the movie "Total Recall" (Arnold Schwarzenegger), aye??? -Storm
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Re: Super Intelligent Machines.<friendly>Storman Norman! <surprised> wet towels??? </surprised> <robotvoice> Our only protection is to fit coconut shells over our <thought>so very tiny</thought> brains. </robotvoice> <whisper> Don't forget to carve emblems into our coconut heads, that pay tribute to our artilects. :P </whisper> </friendly> Storman Norman <storman777@...> wrote: How would one know if it indeed was happening? (Or is already happening?) Monica Peters I make the Impossible Possible! Web Application Developer Website: Monigarr.com Portfolio: http://www.MonicaLamb.com/blog1 Onkwehonwe Channel: http://www.mogulus.com/onkwehonwe This email and any attachments is intended only for the purpose of the addressee, and may contain confidential information that is subject to privilege, including solicitor-client privilege, the rights to which are expressly claimed and not waived. The contents hereof may not otherwise be distributed, copied, or disclosed. If you have received this email and/or attachments in error, please notify Monica Peters by email, (Monigarr@...) or in-person and ensure its immediate destruction. Any dissemination or copying of this email and any attachments by anyone other than the party to whom it is intended is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ This is the pandorabots-general mailing list To Post, reply to pandorabots-general@... Unsubscribe and change preferences at http://list.pandorabots.com/mailman/listinfo/pandorabots-general Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ |
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Re: Super Intelligent Machines. I always wonder how a programmer can write a program
(that is "programme" with an American accent) that is based on how the brain
works when the best neural scientists have very little knowledge of how the
brain and the mind actually work. (Although we remember pictures, sounds,
events, and can add/subtract/divide/ and such, no scientist has ever
been able to find the brain equivalent of even an MP3, JPG, or a
calculator.)
Our
'bots also have the potential (and 'potential is the limiting word) to be a
trillion times more intelligent than a human. And that would mean programming
into a 'bot enough common sense to "get out of the rain." Dr. Wallace
has the right approach.
As for computers controlling
human bodies with electricity, that is already being done on an
experimental basis for spinal injury patients. http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=201806940
Still
we are long ways away from a Star Trek Borg.
Ken Craggs <w1s2q3@...> wrote:
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Re: Super Intelligent Machines.What concerns me is the human side of it, if a monkey could operate a device as you describe, then perhaps it wouldnt be such a big leap for paralyized humans to become independant yet again? (yes, off topic, but i'm a transhumanist :P)
Going back on topic (sort of) I wonder who came up with the name Artilect?
On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Ken Craggs <w1s2q3@...> wrote:
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Re: Super Intelligent Machines.LOL From: pandorabots-general-bounces+thomas.messerschmidt=av.abbott.com@... [mailto:pandorabots-general-bounces+thomas.messerschmidt=av.abbott.com@...] On Behalf Of Monigarr@... Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 12:38 PM To: pandorabots-general@... Subject: Re: [pandorabots-general] Super Intelligent Machines. <friendly>Storman Norman!
<surprised>
wet towels???
</surprised>
<robotvoice>
Our only protection is to fit coconut shells
over our <thought>so very tiny</thought> brains.
</robotvoice>
<whisper>
Don't forget to carve emblems into our coconut heads, that pay
tribute to our artilects. :P
</whisper>
</friendly> Storman Norman <storman777@...> wrote: How would one know if it indeed was happening? (Or is already happening?) Monica Peters I make the Impossible Possible! Web Application Developer Website: Monigarr.com Portfolio: http://www.MonicaLamb.com/blog1 Onkwehonwe Channel: http://www.mogulus.com/onkwehonwe This email and any attachments is intended only for the purpose of the addressee, and may contain confidential information that is subject to privilege, including solicitor-client privilege, the rights to which are expressly claimed and not waived. The contents hereof may not otherwise be distributed, copied, or disclosed. If you have received this email and/or attachments in error, please notify Monica Peters by email, (Monigarr@...) or in-person and ensure its immediate destruction. Any dissemination or copying of this email and any attachments by anyone other than the party to whom it is intended is prohibited. Thank you. _______________________________________________ This is the pandorabots-general mailing list To Post, reply to pandorabots-general@... Unsubscribe and change preferences at http://list.pandorabots.com/mailman/listinfo/pandorabots-general Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ |
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Re: Super Intelligent Machines.The thing is that humans in general are not that smart, so it is very conceivable to achieve a higher intelligence artificially. The problem I face with todays artificial intelligence bots such as "Alice" is that they seem to mimic the puppet and the master model. Where the bot master is the master and the bot the puppet. http://www.ufirst.cchttp://kumroegroup.cjb.nethttp://changingseasonscms.cjb.nethttp://liquidvibration.cjb.net-=SolarisZen=- ________________________________ > Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:05:37 +0100 > From: mentalomega@... > To: pandorabots-general@... > Subject: Re: [pandorabots-general] Super Intelligent Machines. > > What concerns me is the human side of it, if a monkey could operate a device as you describe, then perhaps it wouldnt be such a big leap for paralyized humans to become independant yet again? (yes, off topic, but i'm a transhumanist :P) > > Going back on topic (sort of) I wonder who came up with the name Artilect? > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Ken Craggs <w1s2q3@...> wrote: > I watched a Horizon documentary some time ago concerning the building of an Artilect (Artificial intellect, i.e. Super Intelligent Machine). > The Artilect in the Horizon programme was being based on the way the human brain works, but with the potential of being up to a trillion times more intelligent with the addition of computer programming. Could this artilect possibly retain the defence mechanism of a human brain without anyone realising it? > > At one point in the programme an experiment was shown in which a monkey was physically moving a control stick with its hand and also had electrodes & wires attached from its head to the same control stick. The monkey then released its grip on the control stick and was able to manipulate the control stick just by thinking about it, i.e. electrical impulses from the monkey's brain were being transmitted down the wires to the control stick (or so we were told). > > If a monkey could do that, then is it possible that electrical impulses (such as radio waves) could be emitted from a super intelligent machine to control the electrical impulses in the human brain in order to manipulate humans? Would we humans be able to comprehend how ingenious such a machine could be? > > Once a super intelligent machine was switched on, humans might never again be in control of their own minds to be able to switch it off. > > Please discuss. > > > between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 Yahoo! for Good helps you make a difference > > _______________________________________________ > This is the pandorabots-general mailing list > To Post, reply to pandorabots-general@... > Unsubscribe and change preferences at http://list.pandorabots.com/mailman/listinfo/pandorabots-general > Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html > Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ > > > > -- > -Dante Ashton > > Philosophus, Scriptor, Poeta This is the pandorabots-general mailing list To Post, reply to pandorabots-general@... Unsubscribe and change preferences at http://list.pandorabots.com/mailman/listinfo/pandorabots-general Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ |
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Re: Super Intelligent Machines.Well yes, AIML is highly structured, it provides good control. Other
AI engines such a Jabberwacky use a 'free association' model based on context analysis. In this case care and much effort go into providing background contextual information to set up good associations. This is 'bleeding edge' AI. Results can be extraordinary and very unpredictable. Here consistency is difficult to achieve. The work is like teaching a little kid with a short attention span than programming. I get the impression that the AI algorithms may be good enough; it is the data base design and content quality that hold results down. To be clear, resent contest results show that the top 5 AI bots / engines are very close in performance. -----Original Message----- From: pandorabots-general-bounces+stan=adnamis.org@... [mailto:pandorabots-general-bounces+stan=adnamis.org@... m] On Behalf Of SolarisZen DaFluffy Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:22 AM To: pandorabots-general@... Subject: Re: [pandorabots-general] Super Intelligent Machines. The thing is that humans in general are not that smart, so it is very conceivable to achieve a higher intelligence artificially. The problem I face with todays artificial intelligence bots such as "Alice" is that they seem to mimic the puppet and the master model. Where the bot master is the master and the bot the puppet. http://www.ufirst.cchttp://kumroegroup.cjb.nethttp://changingseasonscms. cjb.nethttp://liquidvibration.cjb.net-=SolarisZen=- ________________________________ > Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:05:37 +0100 > From: mentalomega@... > To: pandorabots-general@... > Subject: Re: [pandorabots-general] Super Intelligent Machines. > > What concerns me is the human side of it, if a monkey could operate a device as you describe, then perhaps it wouldnt be such a big leap for paralyized humans to become independant yet again? (yes, off topic, but i'm a transhumanist :P) > > Going back on topic (sort of) I wonder who came up with the name Artilect? > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Ken Craggs <w1s2q3@...> wrote: > I watched a Horizon documentary some time ago concerning the building of an Artilect (Artificial intellect, i.e. Super Intelligent Machine). > The Artilect in the Horizon programme was being based on the way the human brain works, but with the potential of being up to a trillion times more intelligent with the addition of computer programming. Could this artilect possibly retain the defence mechanism of a human brain without anyone realising it? > > At one point in the programme an experiment was shown in which a monkey was physically moving a control stick with its hand and also had electrodes & wires attached from its head to the same control stick. The monkey then released its grip on the control stick and was able to manipulate the control stick just by thinking about it, i.e. electrical impulses from the monkey's brain were being transmitted down the wires to the control stick (or so we were told). > > If a monkey could do that, then is it possible that electrical impulses (such as radio waves) could be emitted from a super intelligent machine to control the electrical impulses in the human brain in order to manipulate humans? Would we humans be able to comprehend how ingenious such a machine could be? > > Once a super intelligent machine was switched on, humans might never again be in control of their own minds to be able to switch it off. > > Please discuss. > > > between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 Yahoo! for Good helps you make a difference > > _______________________________________________ > This is the pandorabots-general mailing list > To Post, reply to pandorabots-general@... > Unsubscribe and change preferences at http://list.pandorabots.com/mailman/listinfo/pandorabots-general > Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html > Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ > > > > -- > -Dante Ashton > > Philosophus, Scriptor, Poeta _______________________________________________ This is the pandorabots-general mailing list To Post, reply to pandorabots-general@... Unsubscribe and change preferences at http://list.pandorabots.com/mailman/listinfo/pandorabots-general Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ _______________________________________________ This is the pandorabots-general mailing list To Post, reply to pandorabots-general@... Unsubscribe and change preferences at http://list.pandorabots.com/mailman/listinfo/pandorabots-general Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ |
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Re: Super Intelligent Machines.We are about to introduce publically a national web site. We have a
national SEO company to drive traffic. I feel this would offer a wonderful opportunity for demoing an AI bot capable of responding to Social Security query's. Our "in progress" web site is www.americaretoday.com/index.php. Please advise as to interest. Regards Jim Gries CEO -----Original Message----- From: pandorabots-general-bounces+jgries1=tampabay.rr.com@... [mailto:pandorabots-general-bounces+jgries1=tampabay.rr.com@... .com] On Behalf Of Stanley E. Honour Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 11:18 AM To: pandorabots-general@... Subject: Re: [pandorabots-general] Super Intelligent Machines. Well yes, AIML is highly structured, it provides good control. Other AI engines such a Jabberwacky use a 'free association' model based on context analysis. In this case care and much effort go into providing background contextual information to set up good associations. This is 'bleeding edge' AI. Results can be extraordinary and very unpredictable. Here consistency is difficult to achieve. The work is like teaching a little kid with a short attention span than programming. I get the impression that the AI algorithms may be good enough; it is the data base design and content quality that hold results down. To be clear, resent contest results show that the top 5 AI bots / engines are very close in performance. -----Original Message----- From: pandorabots-general-bounces+stan=adnamis.org@... [mailto:pandorabots-general-bounces+stan=adnamis.org@... m] On Behalf Of SolarisZen DaFluffy Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 11:22 AM To: pandorabots-general@... Subject: Re: [pandorabots-general] Super Intelligent Machines. The thing is that humans in general are not that smart, so it is very conceivable to achieve a higher intelligence artificially. The problem I face with todays artificial intelligence bots such as "Alice" is that they seem to mimic the puppet and the master model. Where the bot master is the master and the bot the puppet. http://www.ufirst.cchttp://kumroegroup.cjb.nethttp://changingseasonscms. cjb.nethttp://liquidvibration.cjb.net-=SolarisZen=- ________________________________ > Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:05:37 +0100 > From: mentalomega@... > To: pandorabots-general@... > Subject: Re: [pandorabots-general] Super Intelligent Machines. > > What concerns me is the human side of it, if a monkey could operate a device as you describe, then perhaps it wouldnt be such a big leap for paralyized humans to become independant yet again? (yes, off topic, but i'm a transhumanist :P) > > Going back on topic (sort of) I wonder who came up with the name Artilect? > > On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Ken Craggs <w1s2q3@...> wrote: > I watched a Horizon documentary some time ago concerning the building of an Artilect (Artificial intellect, i.e. Super Intelligent Machine). > The Artilect in the Horizon programme was being based on the way the human brain works, but with the potential of being up to a trillion times more intelligent with the addition of computer programming. Could this artilect possibly retain the defence mechanism of a human brain without anyone realising it? > > At one point in the programme an experiment was shown in which a monkey was physically moving a control stick with its hand and also had electrodes & wires attached from its head to the same control stick. The monkey then released its grip on the control stick and was able to manipulate the control stick just by thinking about it, i.e. electrical impulses from the monkey's brain were being transmitted down the wires to the control stick (or so we were told). > > If a monkey could do that, then is it possible that electrical impulses (such as radio waves) could be emitted from a super intelligent machine to control the electrical impulses in the human brain in order to manipulate humans? Would we humans be able to comprehend how ingenious such a machine could be? > > Once a super intelligent machine was switched on, humans might never again be in control of their own minds to be able to switch it off. > > Please discuss. > > > between 0000-00-00 and 9999-99-99 Yahoo! for Good helps you make a difference > > _______________________________________________ > This is the pandorabots-general mailing list > To Post, reply to pandorabots-general@... > Unsubscribe and change preferences at http://list.pandorabots.com/mailman/listinfo/pandorabots-general > Learn netiquette at http://www.dtcc.edu/cs/rfc1855.html > Learn to read at http://www.literacy.org/ > > > > -- > -Dante Ashton > > Philosophus, Scriptor, Poeta _______________________________________________ This is the pandorabots-general mailing list To Post, reply to pandorabots-general@... 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