Subject: Re: [colorforth] "Play and Display"

[Nick Maroudas-2]

Nick here:  

Tutorial:  Play and Display

The words "pause" and "blk" can be used to display a
music score while playing it, block by block. Blk holds
the block number, and Pause refreshes the display.

For example, the word "Handel" is on block 68 of Howerd
Oakford's CFDOS4 (see my tutorial on Monday, 10 Mar
2008  Re: [colorforth] Hello - and where to begin?).
One can redefine the word Handel so that it displays
block 68 before playing Handel's gavotte.  

: Handel  68 blk !  pause  Handel ;

One can then define a word to display the next block as
well

: pd ( Play & Display)  blk @  2 +  blk !  pause  ;  

This will cause  Handel  to chain block 70 after it has
played block 68

: Handel  68 blk !  pause  Handel  pd ;  

That way, one can chain a Play & Display music score,
block after block.  If you want to skip  n  blocks

: ppd ( n>>)  blk @  +  pause ;  

and redefine pp

: pp  2 ppd ;  

I have used this method to Play & Display 114 bars of
Beethoven's string quartet Rasoumovsky 1, each bar
being sourced on a separate block. As far as I can
judge by ear, the multitasker word  "Pause"  does not
introduce a perceptible pause between the bars.  Thus,
CF's display refresh seems to have a low enough latency
for the purpose of bar by bar P&D.


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[Jeff Fox-2]

colorforth list readers:

the long awaited colorforth 2 has been released

ftp://ftp.ultratechnology.com/ColorForth2.0a.zip

It defaults to qwerty mode on boot although changing
the word qwerty from yellow color to white color on
block 18 and doing a save and warm or restarting
will return to the familiar quasi-Dvorak keyboard.
The editor still uses the old command key layout
although new command keys have been added.

This is the version that Doug has talked about SVFIG.
It comes with documentation and a Windows wrapper.

Enjoy



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[bishop-11]

Hi, Jeff,

We're thriilled at this addition to the ecosystem. I think I'm doing
something wrong, however; everything I've tried so far has shown a file that
has zero length.

(the incorrectly spelled) Geof Bishop
Calgary


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> colorforth list readers:
>
> the long awaited colorforth 2 has been released
>
> ftp://ftp.ultratechnology.com/ColorForth2.0a.zip
>
> It defaults to qwerty mode on boot although changing
> the word qwerty from yellow color to white color on
> block 18 and doing a save and warm or restarting
> will return to the familiar quasi-Dvorak keyboard.
> The editor still uses the old command key layout
> although new command keys have been added.
>
> This is the version that Doug has talked about SVFIG.
> It comes with documentation and a Windows wrapper.
>
> Enjoy
>
>
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[Jeff Fox-2]

> Hi, Jeff,
>
> We're thriilled at this addition to the ecosystem. I think I'm doing
> something wrong, however; everything I've tried so far has shown a file
> that
> has zero length.

Sorry.  Try again. It should be 749KB now.




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[bishop-11]

Fabulous! So far (seven minutes in) it seems to work just fine on an AMD64
XP x64 Pro, an AMD64 Vista Home Premium 64, and a 32bit XP Pro SP2 (Polish
edition).

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Sent: Friday, May 02, 2008 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: [colorforth] colorforth 2.0a for stand-alone and Windows use

>> Hi, Jeff,
>>
>> We're thriilled at this addition to the ecosystem. I think I'm doing
>> something wrong, however; everything I've tried so far has shown a file
>> that
>> has zero length.
>
> Sorry.  Try again. It should be 749KB now.
>
>
>
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[Albert van der Horst]

On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 10:58:24AM -0700, Jeff Fox wrote:

> colorforth list readers:
>
> the long awaited colorforth 2 has been released
>
> ftp://ftp.ultratechnology.com/ColorForth2.0a.zip
>
> It defaults to qwerty mode on boot although changing
> the word qwerty from yellow color to white color on
> block 18 and doing a save and warm or restarting
> will return to the familiar quasi-Dvorak keyboard.

This is great news. In this way a new user can take it
one step at a time. A learning curve that is less steep
means more people that can overcome it.

> The editor still uses the old command key layout
> although new command keys have been added.
>
> This is the version that Doug has talked about SVFIG.
> It comes with documentation and a Windows wrapper.

Official documentation is also beneficial. There were
times when I started using colorforth that I asked myself
whether something was intended, or that the installation
on my system was wrong.

> Enjoy

Groetjes Albert

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[Ray St. Marie]

Ray here.
Neat! Just when I had an ego fit and quit, y'all try to drag me back
in with this excellent implementation of colorForth. ( i'm still
blaming my poor attitude on fun medication. )

Few things yer gonna wanna do when you get your implementation unzipped:

1) after zipping go ahead and create a file called " OkadBack.cf" This
is required for the tutorial to work.

2) In the tutorial go ahead and take your time and properly resize all
of those pics so that the windows DOC program will display smoothly
during scroll. Otherwise you may miss words that flip by between pics
that go by so fast that you don't even know they are there. One thing
that seems to work for me is to be sure that a line of text above and
below the pic is fit in the window properly. This helped navigating
the page. YMMV.

3) Make sure that all of the keyboard options are present in all of
the documentation.
There are places where the letters for the left hand are not all
represented in the docs, mostly in the case of the left hand home row
' c' and also the 'k' below the home row.

4) Use rawwritewin to create a floppy using the OkadWork.cf file. SO
AWESOME TO BE CONGRUENT. Sometimes I wished I still colorForthed. ;-)
Neat to see your work work across platforms.

speaking of which: Reporting that the thing is working just fine in a
2004 Windows xp home addition on a P4 from compaq with no changes at
all. WELL DONE!

5) little trick I learned about saveing work in the original
colorForth for Windows  by Roman and Glypher by Roger Levy:

Before starting a colorforth project go ahead and do an "EDIT--COPY"
or "CTRL-C" followed by a CTRL-V(paste) of any file you'd like to keep
an original and copies of. Doing this consistanly to the current
OkadWork.cf file for instance would:

First time: creates "Copy of OkadWork.cf"
Second time: creates "Copy (2) of OkadWork.cf"
Third time: creates "Copy (3) of OkadWork.cf"

The working file is always OkadWork.cf, but should you corrupt it, you
can all ways go back to the last COPY-PASTE version with the highest (
NUM in parens) and not lose much ground. This has saved my but more
then once.

Typically, I'd sync this file with a removable thumbDrive and that
serves as my ultimate backup.

As to my attitude, I'm looking for competent help. :-)

Much pleasure to you colorCoders and a hearty THANKS LOADS ! to Jeff,
Chuck, and those behind the scene at Intellasys. THIS IS NEAT with a
capital this is neat!

Ray

On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 4:30 AM, Albert van der Horst
<albert@...> wrote:

> On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 10:58:24AM -0700, Jeff Fox wrote:
> > colorforth list readers:
> >
> > the long awaited colorforth 2 has been released
> >
> > ftp://ftp.ultratechnology.com/ColorForth2.0a.zip
> >
> > It defaults to qwerty mode on boot although changing
> > the word qwerty from yellow color to white color on
> > block 18 and doing a save and warm or restarting
> > will return to the familiar quasi-Dvorak keyboard.
>
> This is great news. In this way a new user can take it
> one step at a time. A learning curve that is less steep
> means more people that can overcome it.
>
> > The editor still uses the old command key layout
> > although new command keys have been added.
> >
> > This is the version that Doug has talked about SVFIG.
> > It comes with documentation and a Windows wrapper.
>
> Official documentation is also beneficial. There were
> times when I started using colorforth that I asked myself
> whether something was intended, or that the installation
> on my system was wrong.
>
> > Enjoy
>
> Groetjes Albert
>
> --
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> Economic growth -- like all pyramid schemes -- ultimately falters.
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[Gwenhwyfaer]

On 02/05/2008, bishop <bishop@...> wrote:
> Fabulous! So far (seven minutes in) it seems to work just fine on an AMD64
> XP x64 Pro, an AMD64 Vista Home Premium 64, and a 32bit XP Pro SP2 (Polish
> edition).

Unfortunately, it doesn't work (out of the box) on qemu 0.9.1 (Linux);
the screen mode is wrong. Is there a way to give it a different mode
to use? (An offset to patch with a hex editor would be great.)

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[Ray St. Marie]

OH YES, THIS WILL WORK FOR CHESS!
Ray here hi Nick...
This is great, Nick
I just told Jason Kemp that I want to interview you for the sound word
you've done in sound lately. But this is worth knowing as well, as
I've said, I can see it in my chesses somewhere.

Ray out!


On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 2:55 AM, Nick Maroudas
<alice@...> wrote:

>
> Nick here:
>
> Tutorial:  Play and Display
>
> The words "pause" and "blk" can be used to display a
> music score while playing it, block by block. Blk holds
> the block number, and Pause refreshes the display.
>
> For example, the word "Handel" is on block 68 of Howerd
> Oakford's CFDOS4 (see my tutorial on Monday, 10 Mar
> 2008  Re: [colorforth] Hello - and where to begin?).
> One can redefine the word Handel so that it displays
> block 68 before playing Handel's gavotte.
>
> : Handel  68 blk !  pause  Handel ;
>
> One can then define a word to display the next block as
> well
>
> : pd ( Play & Display)  blk @  2 +  blk !  pause  ;
>
> This will cause  Handel  to chain block 70 after it has
> played block 68
>
> : Handel  68 blk !  pause  Handel  pd ;
>
> That way, one can chain a Play & Display music score,
> block after block.  If you want to skip  n  blocks
>
> : ppd ( n>>)  blk @  +  pause ;
>
> and redefine pp
>
> : pp  2 ppd ;
>
> I have used this method to Play & Display 114 bars of
> Beethoven's string quartet Rasoumovsky 1, each bar
> being sourced on a separate block. As far as I can
> judge by ear, the multitasker word  "Pause"  does not
> introduce a perceptible pause between the bars.  Thus,
> CF's display refresh seems to have a low enough latency
> for the purpose of bar by bar P&D.
>
>
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Gwenhwyfaer Hi, Ray here...


On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 5:29 PM, Gwenhwyfaer <gwenhwyfaer@...> wrote:
> On 02/05/2008, bishop <bishop@...> wrote:
> > Fabulous! So far (seven minutes in) it seems to work just fine on an AMD64
> > XP x64 Pro, an AMD64 Vista Home Premium 64, and a 32bit XP Pro SP2 (Polish
> > edition).
>
> Unfortunately, it doesn't work (out of the box) on qemu 0.9.1 (Linux);
> the screen mode is wrong. Is there a way to give it a different mode
> to use? (An offset to patch with a hex editor would be great.)
>


Wondering if you can run the native. Can you dd copy the OkadWork.cf
file to a floppy and boot? Display? This will help determin your
Display settings if they are not working. I'm sure that we can either
hexedit changes to your copy or even I could make the changes on the
block where the Nvidia and Ati ( floppy driver block) are stored and
see if those changes work.




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[Jeff Fox-2]

> Gwenhwyfaer Hi, Ray here...
>> Unfortunately, it doesn't work (out of the box) on qemu 0.9.1 (Linux);
>> the screen mode is wrong. Is there a way to give it a different mode
>> to use? (An offset to patch with a hex editor would be great.)
>
> Wondering if you can run the native. Can you dd copy the OkadWork.cf
> file to a floppy and boot? Display? This will help determin your
> Display settings if they are not working. I'm sure that we can either
> hexedit changes to your copy or even I could make the changes on the
> block where the Nvidia and Ati ( floppy driver block) are stored and
> see if those changes work.

On block 52 are definitions of "ati" and "nvidia"
they store a literal to "vesa"
"vesa" on the command line of my system returns 4001ac2
ati stores 10cd4123 to vesa and nvidia stores 10cd4118

if you have access to a command line, even if the display
is black, you can try "floppy " to load 52
"ati save warm "  or "nvidia save warm " and see if it helps

I have to do that when running off floppies and
switching between a desktop machine at work and a
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[Ray St. Marie]

Ray here: Is anyone having trouble with the word "homef" ?

It does not work as described for me. I get an abort when executed.
Also, save writes to the floppy fine without homef but I actually have
to hit a key to get the save to work with speed. It's very slow
otherwise.

Normally, I would just crack open the sources and begin searching for
problem candidates. Unfortunately, I have no sources for this version
and can not be of assistance. Are sources available for this release
or is this protected, maybe?

Having a blast with this so far. Really, well done Intellasys! Thanks again.

Ray

On Fri, May 2, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Jeff Fox <fox@...> wrote:

> colorforth list readers:
>
> the long awaited colorforth 2 has been released
>
> ftp://ftp.ultratechnology.com/ColorForth2.0a.zip
>
> It defaults to qwerty mode on boot although changing
> the word qwerty from yellow color to white color on
> block 18 and doing a save and warm or restarting
> will return to the familiar quasi-Dvorak keyboard.
> The editor still uses the old command key layout
> although new command keys have been added.
>
> This is the version that Doug has talked about SVFIG.
> It comes with documentation and a Windows wrapper.
>
> Enjoy
>
>
>
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[Nick Maroudas-2]

Nick here,

I find an incorrect screen mode when booting the native
version also, on ASUS P4.  Tried correcting this by my
usual poke of 10cd4117(ie 16bit) instead of 10cd4118
(24bit) into cell 63. Text became clearer but the
keyboard did not respond. Tried brute force replace
yellow "env" by yellow 34 (native environment load) in
block 18. No diff.  

Am now switching to a windows laptop and trying the
Windows wrapper.exe

Caritas,

Nick


Quoting Gwenhwyfaer <gwenhwyfaer@...>:

>... " Unfortunately, it doesn't work (out of the box)
>... " on qemu 0.9.1 (Linux);
>... " the screen mode is wrong. Is there a way to give
>... " it a different mode
>... " to use? (An offset to patch with a hex editor
>... " would be great.)
>... "
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Thanks, Jeff, will try that when booting a deedeed
native floppy without Windows.  Meanwhile happy to add
that your Win wrapper worked instantaneously on the
wife's Lenovo T60. Just download in Windows and press
"Run".

Smooooth!

Nick  

Quoting Jeff Fox <fox@...>:

>... " > Gwenhwyfaer Hi, Ray here...
>... " >> Unfortunately, it doesn't work (out of the
>... " box) on qemu 0.9.1 (Linux);
>... " >> the screen mode is wrong. Is there a way to
>... " give it a different mode
>... " >> to use? (An offset to patch with a hex editor
>... " would be great.)
>... " >
>... " > Wondering if you can run the native. Can you
>... " dd copy the OkadWork.cf
>... " > file to a floppy and boot? Display? This will
>... " help determin your
>... " > Display settings if they are not working. I'm
>... " sure that we can either
>... " > hexedit changes to your copy or even I could
>... " make the changes on the
>... " > block where the Nvidia and Ati ( floppy driver
>... " block) are stored and
>... " > see if those changes work.
>... "
>... " On block 52 are definitions of "ati" and
>... " "nvidia"
>... " they store a literal to "vesa"
>... " "vesa" on the command line of my system returns
>... " 4001ac2
>... " ati stores 10cd4123 to vesa and nvidia stores
>... " 10cd4118
>... "
>... " if you have access to a command line, even if
>... " the display
>... " is black, you can try "floppy " to load 52
>... " "ati save warm "  or "nvidia save warm " and see
>... " if it helps
>... "
>... " I have to do that when running off floppies and
>... " switching between a desktop machine at work and
>... " a
>... " desktop machine at home.
>... "
>... "
>... "
>... "

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After all that yappin' I've done about a qwerty keyboard...

Have to admit, I'm enjoying it.

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[Nick Maroudas-2]

Nick here,

I cannot get the CF2 image OkadWork.cf to boot from
floppy as a stand alone system like CF01, CF05 and
CFDOS4.blk.  The previous images needed only a fix to
the display, as suggested by Jeff (below); but here the
keyboard also was unresponsive. Perhaps it is because
this image OkadWork.cf is a Windows version ("winver"
returns 1).  Can one convert it to native via the
blocks (like the "environment" block 34, which I've
already tried); or does one need a "native" kernel as
well as "env" block 34?  


Quoting Nick Maroudas <alice@...>:

>... " Thanks, Jeff, will try that when booting a
>... " deedeed
>... " native floppy without Windows.  Meanwhile happy
>... " to add
>... " that your Win wrapper worked instantaneously on
>... " the
>... " wife's Lenovo T60. Just download in Windows and
>... " press
>... " "Run".
>... "
>... " Smooooth!
>... "
>... " Nick  
>... "
>... " Quoting Jeff Fox <fox@...>:
>... " [in answer to] Gwenhwyfaer ...
>... " >... " >> Unfortunately, it doesn't work (out of
>... " the
>... " >... " box) on qemu 0.9.1 (Linux);
>... " >... " >> the screen mode is wrong. Is there a
>... " way to
>... " >... " give it a different mode
>... " >... " >> to use? (An offset to patch with a hex
>... " editor
>... " >... " would be great.)
>... " >... " >
>... " >... " > Wondering if you can run the native.
>... " Can you
>... " >... " dd copy the OkadWork.cf
>... " >... " > file to a floppy and boot? Display?
>... " This will
>... " >... " help determin your
>... " >... " > Display settings if they are not
>... " working. I'm
>... " >... " sure that we can either
>... " >... " > hexedit changes to your copy or even I
>... " could
>... " >... " make the changes on the
>... " >... " > block where the Nvidia and Ati ( floppy
>... " driver
>... " >... " block) are stored and
>... " >... " > see if those changes work.
>... " >... "
>... " >... " On block 52 are definitions of "ati" and
>... " >... " "nvidia"
>... " >... " they store a literal to "vesa"
>... " >... " "vesa" on the command line of my system
>... " returns
>... " >... " 4001ac2
>... " >... " ati stores 10cd4123 to vesa and nvidia
>... " stores
>... " >... " 10cd4118
>... " >... "
>... " >... " if you have access to a command line,
>... " even if
>... " >... " the display
>... " >... " is black, you can try "floppy " to load
>... " 52
>... " >... " "ati save warm "  or "nvidia save warm "
>... " and see
>... " >... " if it helps
>... " >... "
>... " >... " I have to do that when running off
>... " floppies and
>... " >... " switching between a desktop machine at
>... " work and
>... " >... " a
>... " >... " desktop machine at home.
>... " >... "
>... " >... "

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