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ASMP Chicago: Rebooting Your Business Brain 11/12/08

2008-10-11T05:41:20Z

Rebooting Your Business Brain
21st-century marketing tips for photographers who weren’t born
yesterday.

Chicago-based former Rep and Photography Marketing Consultant Carolyn
Potts presents this evening seminar.

You’ve learned your digital imaging craft and tried to keep an
optimistic attitude while micro-stock has eroded the size of the photo
assignment pie. But what if you’re not getting the work you want? What
else are you missing?

Making the transition to an all-digital workflow is just one piece of
today’s photo business. Knowing how marketing has dramatically changed
is the other key component to survival — it’s more than having a web
site and doing email blasts.

Without understanding the fundamental differences between marketing in
the 20th century and marketing in the 21st, you can unknowingly
sabotage your career.

Are you wondering…

• What’s the best way to reach art buyers in the digital age?
• What email skills must you know to not look like a loser?
• What are the current best practices when it comes to online
promotion?
• Is print promotion dead, dying, or reviving?

After 20+ years as a successful artists’ rep and 7 as an Internet
Marketing Strategist, Carolyn Potts is uniquely qualified to help
photographers create — and stick to — a 21st-century marketing plan.
She has helped her photographers get clients, close deals, anticipate
trends, revitalize their careers & increase the bottom line.

When:
November 12, 2008 at 6:30pm

Where:
Harrington College
200 West Madison Street 2nd Floor
Chicago, IL 60606-3433

Cost:
$25 for general admission
$15 for ASMP, APA, PPA, SAA and C3 members
$ 5 for all students
Free to Harrington College Students with valid ID

Register online at: http://www.asmp.org/commerce/education/event_details.php?id=34
Register via phone 9am-5pmET at: (215) 451-2767; mention the seminar
name and location (city)

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Re: Prominent watermarks

2008-10-09T10:23:57Z

At vivozoom, we are targetting sales at businesses (Agencies,
Corporations & Publishers). As a so-called "microstock" we are also
offering an image warranty which these businesses expect and demand.

However, since the site can also be accessed by a wider audience, we
also watermark previews. We do, however, offer a 3x3 matrix to the
photographer to allow them to decide where the watermark should appear.

This allows ahooters to decide whether they want the WM covering the
most important content or pushed away to the corner to reveal the full
impact of the image on the preview.

If you'd like to try this out, send me an email. tom <at> vivozoom.com

Tom Donnelly

--- In STOCKPHOTO@..., Stockphoto Seller <bpslistmail@...>
wrote:
>
> Most professional photo users know the issues and are not all that
concerned about watermarks on preview images.Carl May"...The best
protection is probably
> a complex watermark, centered on the image which we've done. It may
> bother a few clients but then, the buyers have been getting things
> their way for a long time and it is about time that the creators are
> protected."

Re: payment, payment, who's got the...

2008-10-08T20:17:55Z

The lack of transparency regarding sub-distributors is a major
problem. SAA's "investigative purchases" would be concerning if 40 or
50% of purchases resulted in problems but as you state virtually all
were problems. All photographers with agencies that use sub-
distributors must ask themselves, "what percentage of sales are being
reported and paid". In most cases photographers dont even know which
sub-distributors are selling their photos. This is not to mention the
sub-distributors of the sub-distributors and on and on.

Allen Russell

On Oct 5, 2008, at 4:55 PM, David Riecks wrote:

> Yvette:
>
> Curiously, virtually every single "investigative purchase" that was
> made on behalf of the Stock Artists Alliance through sub-distributors
> ended up having some snag where the photographer took abnormally long
> to be paid. In many cases it wasn't until someone queried that the
> sale was noted. So yes, it does pay to follow up when you know a
> sale has been made.
>
> The bigger question is, how do you know that has happened in the case
> where your images are with a sub-distributor?
>
> Hmmm?
>
> David

Allen Russell

Prominent watermarks

2008-10-08T16:49:09Z

Most professional photo users know the issues and are not all that concerned about watermarks on preview images.Carl May"...The best protection is probably
a complex watermark, centered on the image which we've done. It may
bother a few clients but then, the buyers have been getting things
their way for a long time and it is about time that the creators are
protected."

Ed Verkaik

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Re: Re: Does anyone know anything about this new agency - ALLTO1 is a ne

2008-10-08T13:21:55Z

About Protware protection, please read this:
http://marc.info/?l=bugtraq&m=104828977921390&w=2

rgds,

Leonardo

On 10/7/08, Rubens Abboud <rubens_abboud@...> wrote:

>
> --- In STOCKPHOTO@... <STOCKPHOTO%40yahoogroups.com>, "Ed
> Verkaik" <verkaik@...> wrote:
> > If you can see it on screen and it looks good,
> > it will be worth stealing for MANY different uses. Since web use is a
> > fast growing segment in stock, displaying images without watermarks is
> > just a foolish invitation for theft and ultimately orphans. As for the
> > "legal aspect"... noone has the time, energy or expense to pursue
> > illegal uses so making them as hard as possible is the only practical
> > defense.
> >
> > Ed Verkaik
> > www.skyartstock.com/
>
> First of all, I want to congratulate you on some superb imagery. Truly
> beautiful and friggin' scary stuff.
>
> If you remember, we had an exchange early last year regarding Protware
> software which you seemed to like a lot but I wasn't so impressed
> (thread begins at post 36459).
>
> I noticed that your images don't use Protware "protection".
>
> I'm curious why you appear to have decided against it?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Rubens.
>
>
>

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Re: Does anyone know anything about this new agency - ALLTO1 is a ne

2008-10-08T12:10:13Z

Hi Rubens,

Ah, yes, that "protection" debate... :-)

I was initially impressed with the product and felt it did about as
much as could be done. It certainly was not foolproof. Then I
discovered, after buying it, that the program does not play well with
PHP and among other things, prevented me from using image alt tags. We
did not want to forego these or a few other features and decided not
to use Protware. I explained this to them expecting a refund but was
refused one. I think this is inexcusable and tantamount to theft, as I
could not use their software due to the inherent limitations which
were not apparent initially. I would caution anyone dealing with them
to never pay in advance for anything! The best protection is probably
a complex watermark, centered on the image which we've done. It may
bother a few clients but then, the buyers have been getting things
their way for a long time and it is about time that the creators are
protected.

Ed Verkaik

| Posted by: "Rubens Abboud" rubens_abboud@... r_a_p_i_1
| Date: Tue Oct 7, 2008 11:44 pm ((PDT))
| > www.skyartstock.com/
|
| First of all, I want to congratulate you on some superb imagery.
Truly
| beautiful and friggin' scary stuff.
|
| If you remember, we had an exchange early last year regarding
Protware
| software which you seemed to like a lot but I wasn't so impressed
| (thread begins at post 36459).
|
| I noticed that your images don't use Protware "protection".
|
| I'm curious why you appear to have decided against it?
|
| Best regards,
|
| Rubens.

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Re: Does anyone know anything about this new agency - ALLTO1 is a ne

2008-10-07T17:22:14Z

--- In STOCKPHOTO@..., "Ed Verkaik" <verkaik@...> wrote:

> If you can see it on screen and it looks good,
> it will be worth stealing for MANY different uses. Since web use is a
> fast growing segment in stock, displaying images without watermarks is
> just a foolish invitation for theft and ultimately orphans. As for the
> "legal aspect"... noone has the time, energy or expense to pursue
> illegal uses so making them as hard as possible is the only practical
> defense.
>
> Ed Verkaik
> www.skyartstock.com/

First of all, I want to congratulate you on some superb imagery. Truly
beautiful and friggin' scary stuff.

If you remember, we had an exchange early last year regarding Protware
software which you seemed to like a lot but I wasn't so impressed
(thread begins at post 36459).

I noticed that your images don't use Protware "protection".

I'm curious why you appear to have decided against it?

Best regards,

Rubens.

Re: How good is your color perception?

2008-10-07T08:45:17Z

Finally had time to try this. Fun. I scored four - pretty good for
tired 76-yr old eyes, I think. But I credit my Spyder calibrator for
helping a lot.

--- In STOCKPHOTO@..., David Riecks <david@...> wrote:
>
> Ran across a link to this page on the X-rite site.
>
> Given the mention I made about blues that go purple and skintones
> that go magenta, here's a way for you to test your color perception.
>
> This is a "hue test" and your task is to line up the color hues
from
> one color to the next. The test covers a pinkish to greenish
skintone
> range (good for evaluating skintones), as well as another that runs
> from a weak cyan to a purplish blue (good for evaluating weak or
> overcast sky values).

Re: For those that sell stock from their own personal sites, how's it working out?

2008-10-06T15:55:32Z

>
>My suggestion to anyone looking to go from a one-man business to
>a "real" business is to think about all of the responsibilities you
>will be taking on and consider that few of the people you will be
>resonsible for will understand when you have to make a tough decision.
>
>Fred Voetsch

Hi Fred

I think I'll stay "unreal" all of my friends in small businesses
have the same complaint you have - once you have staff you have a
whole new set of problems.

On the other hand my unreal business has now lasted for 28 years.

I am marketing only RM and while many clients shy away from more
expensive Rights Managed others see photography costs as a part of
running their business. I find that if your work is unique or fits a
niche market there's still clients out there with a reasonable budget
for photographs.

David
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Re: For those that sell stock from their own personal sites, how's it working out?

2008-10-06T12:47:59Z

> Hi Fred
>
> I don't understand your costs in regards to having the work of
other
> photogrpahers on line. Once you have the pictures on line other
than
> paying for a little storage space what is the cost?

Once you begin licensing the images of others' you must then begin
providing services in line with what other "agencies" offer. I
suppose you don't have to but there's a lot of pressure to. With more
images there are more sales and you need a sales person or people and
then you need an accountant and then...

> I too have thought about advertising but decided against it as I
> think it takes away from the focus of my site being an online
library.
>
> "If you were starting and agency today" is it not possible to
change
> whatever you are doing from this day forward ?

Yes, and I would, except that I feel I made a commitment to my
photographers and employees and I also hate to destroy what I have
built. My bottom line is to get where I want to be without screwing
anyone over so I am two years into a slow transition. I have already
had to shock some people with layoffs a few years ago and I would
prefer not going through that again.

My suggestion to anyone looking to go from a one-man business to
a "real" business is to think about all of the responsibilities you
will be taking on and consider that few of the people you will be
resonsible for will understand when you have to make a tough decision.

Fred Voetsch
Acclaim Images
http://www.acclaimimages.com/

Re: Re: Does anyone know anything about this new agency - ALLTO1 is a new agency ...

2008-10-06T11:27:10Z

At 03:34 AM 10/6/2008, Janne Komulainen wrote:
>Thank you for your message and valid feedback.
>
>1. Comps are 72 dpi and the size is not reasonable for any usage.
>Other point is the legal aspect.
>
>2. 70/30 is very good and equal for photographers. Our site launched
>for photo buyers after Eastern period and our sales are in right shape.

Janne:

Hmm, I thought all of the images on the Internet were used at 72ppi.
As a matter of fact, the images in most banner ads are significantly
smaller than the comps that you offer on your site. The fact that
they contain no visible watermarks only makes them easier to use.

In addition, half of the images which I spot-checked had no embedded
metadata. This means that if a client downloads one of your
members/subscribers images and uses it in a comp, that it is very
possible that they will not know where they downloaded it, and thus
have no means of returning to your site and legitimately licensing the image.

If you are not aware of the impending Orphan Works legislation (which
passed the US Senate last week, and only failed in the House because
the legislative session closed for the year), you might want to take
a look at what others can do with images for which it is unclear that
there is any owner (http://orphanworks.blogspot.com/).

Based on the lack of metadata and the fact that many of the images
seem to have whatever color space profile the member happened to
upload them at (a large number were in the Adobe RGB colorspace which
is not the optimum for the web), I would question the integrity of
your infrastructure. At minimum, you should be warning your
members/contributors that they should be including copyright and
contact metadata.

At first I thought you were legitimately asking about this new
service, but it turns out that you are the owner and CEO, surprise, surprise.

http://www.allto1.com/?page=about-us

"Mr. Janne Komulainen has over 13 years of experience e.g. network
communications company, new media field, telephone company and cable
TV and public administration.

His own passion is to make an easy-to-use portal where people can
share their quality snaps. And Janne also has a great interest in photography.

He holds a diploma of Master of Business Administration."

Any agency/distributor, with which I would choose to work, had best
demonstrate to me that they are good at both running a business, and
also technologically adept.... and show an interest in protecting my
work, at least to the degree necessary to insure that people can
easily return to license an image once they have decided that mine is the one.

Given these problems, I could not in good conscious recommend your
service to any photographer that I know.

David

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Re: Does anyone know anything about this new agency - ALLTO1 is a ne

2008-10-06T11:13:30Z

| Posted by: "Janne Komulainen" janne.komulainen@...
komulainenjanne
| Date: Mon Oct 6, 2008 6:14 am ((PDT))

| 1. Comps are 72 dpi and the size is not reasonable for any usage.
Other point is the legal aspect.

It's time to stop using this argument. 72dpi works just fine for web
uses and with new resampling techniques can be made to look even
better for other uses. If you can see it on screen and it looks good,
it will be worth stealing for MANY different uses. Since web use is a
fast growing segment in stock, displaying images without watermarks is
just a foolish invitation for theft and ultimately orphans. As for the
"legal aspect"... noone has the time, energy or expense to pursue
illegal uses so making them as hard as possible is the only practical
defense.

Ed Verkaik
www.skyartstock.com/

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Re: Does anyone know anything about this new agency - ALLTO1 is a new agency ...

2008-10-06T10:33:55Z

This is not correct. A simple "save as" results in a 300ppi image
of quite sufficient size for reproduction and easily uprezzed
significantly. Trust me - as one who's had smaller "thumbnails"
pilfered and used in an advertising brochure.
I like the concept of the agency but much greater security of
images is necessary.

--- In STOCKPHOTO@..., "Janne Komulainen"
<janne.komulainen@...> wrote:
>
> 1. Comps are 72 dpi and the size is not reasonable for any usage.
Other point is the legal aspect.

Re: Re: Does anyone know anything about this new agency - ALLTO1 is a new agency ...

2008-10-06T01:34:36Z

Dear David,

Thank you for your message and valid feedback.

1. Comps are 72 dpi and the size is not reasonable for any usage. Other point is the legal aspect.

2. 70/30 is very good and equal for photographers. Our site launched for photo buyers after Eastern period and our sales are in right shape.

Have a nice day!

Best Regards,

Janne Komulainen

----- Original Message -----
From: David Barr
To: STOCKPHOTO@...
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 4:30 AM
Subject: [STOCKPHOTO] Re: Does anyone know anything about this new agency - ALLTO1 is a new agency ...

>Dear Photographer!
>
>ALLTO1 is a new agency and seeking for new photographers.
>
>At the moment there are around 30,000 photos on sale at our portal,
>their themes being People of All Ages, City and Culture, Nature and
>Wildlife, Travel, Lifestyle, Business, Fine Arts, Fashion etc.
>
>1. Commission and payment
>
>Photographers will get competitive 70% revenue from every sale made at
>ALLTO1. They shall receive payments once a month.

"Re: Does anyone know anything about this new agency"

You can pull a reasonable screen grab or pull an image directly onto
your desktop without water mark. Not great at a time when orphan
works legislation is around.

70% to the photographer is good but they haven't been in business
for long and perhaps this is unrealistic.

David B

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Re: Does anyone know anything about this new agency - ALLTO1 is a new agency ...

2008-10-05T18:30:28Z

>Dear Photographer!
>
>ALLTO1 is a new agency and seeking for new photographers.
>
>At the moment there are around 30,000 photos on sale at our portal,
>their themes being People of All Ages, City and Culture, Nature and
>Wildlife, Travel, Lifestyle, Business, Fine Arts, Fashion etc.
>
>1. Commission and payment
>
>Photographers will get competitive 70% revenue from every sale made at
>ALLTO1. They shall receive payments once a month.

"Re: Does anyone know anything about this new agency"

You can pull a reasonable screen grab or pull an image directly onto
your desktop without water mark. Not great at a time when orphan
works legislation is around.

70% to the photographer is good but they haven't been in business
for long and perhaps this is unrealistic.

David B

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Re: Does anyone know anything about this new agency - ALLTO1 is a new agency ...

2008-10-05T16:03:57Z

Dear Photographer!

ALLTO1 is a new agency and seeking for new photographers.

At the moment there are around 30,000 photos on sale at our portal,
their themes being People of All Ages, City and Culture, Nature and
Wildlife, Travel, Lifestyle, Business, Fine Arts, Fashion etc.

1. Commission and payment

Photographers will get competitive 70% revenue from every sale made at
ALLTO1. They shall receive payments once a month.

Flexible, quick payment options: PayPal, Ikobo, Moneybookers, Western
Union or direct giro bank transfer.

2. Security

Every reasonable effort shall be made to protect the copyright and
royalties of a photographer's photo.

Original high-resolution tiffs and/or jpgs are stored to our secured
quarantined databases that are backed up 24/7. Only the low resolution
comps are available for viewing by the potential client.

Yearly security auditing process is in accordance to Visa Europe
standards.

3. Copyright and Contract

Our attorney is a specialist of copyright and intellectual property in
EU countries.

A written contract is always concluded. Non-exclusive contract. The
notice of termination shall be given by the Party one (1) month prior
to the date of termination.

4. Submission

We believe in good photography!

Images are monitored for high quality and suitable content. After
registration you can start to upload your photos via web tool
(PhotoManager).

Also we will accept CD/DVD submissions. After we get the CD/DVD we
will manage the uploading process during 2 working days.
Photos are categorized according to several basic license categories
and price groups. You can select a suitable price range for your
photos. We support all major currencies.

5. Licensing policy

Only Rights-Managed licensing.
We're actively helping our photographers. If someone does use an image
in a libelous, illegal manner we will not hesitate to use legal
actions when the need arises.

6. Marketing

ALLTO1 is strongly committed to make growing distribution and
marketing channels.

We will market your photos: publishing houses, advertising agencies,
public relations and public affairs companies and private consumers.
We have a lot of contacts ready to buy new and fresh material. ALLTO1
connects photo buyers and photographers.

7. What about the Estonia?

This seems to be a concern that the company is located outside the U.S.

A. Estonia is an European Union Member.
B. Has extended legal protections through the EU-Hague.

Photographs are protected by author's rights if they are the
intellectual creation of the author (Art. 6, D. 93/98/EC: also Art. 9
WCT*) *The World Intellectual Property Organization Copyright Treaty,
abbreviated as the WIPO Copyright Treaty, was an international treaty
on copyright law adopted by the member states of the World
Intellectual Property organization (WIPO) in
1996.

Join the growing photographers' society now!

http://www.ALLTO1.com

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to contact us. We
will be happy to assist you.

Let's start good co-operation!

Sincerely yours,

Mr. Janne Henrik Komulainen
CEO

PhotoSqueezer Ltd and ALLTO1
Lembitu 14 - 37
10114 Tallinn
Estonia

Offices:
+372 56 947 554, Estonia and
+358 44 509 1271, Finland

Fax: +372 56 00 00 91
24/7: support@...

Reg.code: 11413389
VAT Reg.code: EE101166458
D-U-N-S number: 565736568

--- In STOCKPHOTO@..., Nancy Catherine Walker
<ncphotographyct@...> wrote:
>
> I had an email from them earlier today but it was on a different
email account. It's the email I give out when I go to conventions and
such. Probably a convention group/vendor sold their list.

>
> Nancy Catherine Walker
> www.ncphoto.net
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: dawn <dawn.campbell@...>
> To: STOCKPHOTO@...
> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 8:43:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [STOCKPHOTO] Re: Does anyone know anything about this

new agency-Allto1
>
>
> I just got an email from this group as well, so looks like someone
> might be mining this list.
>
> dawn
>
> 2008/9/13 Tony Wood <abw@anthonywoodphot ography.com>:
> > If you do some searches they do have what seems like a large
amount of key
> > worded
> > relevant images, though some searches you'd expect to have huge
results
> > often were
> > pretty small and mixed with unrelated images. If it's a scam site
they sure
> > went to more
> > trouble than the Nigeria scams I get every day. I could not find
them listed

> > on any
> > scam/fraud sites.
> >
> > Tony Wood
> > abw@anthonywoodphot ography.com
> > 610.658.2336
> > http://www.anthonyw oodphotography. com
> > http://www.tonyandt racy.com
> >
> > BLOGS
> > http://anthonywoodp hotography. blogspot. com/
> > http://anthonywoodp hotography. portraits. blogspot. com/
> >
> > --- In STOCKPHOTO@yahoogro ups.com, "Mary C. Legg" <ardeladimwit@

...> wrote:
> >>
> >> I think that anyone who labels Estonia as hub of hacking and
fraud dosn't
> >> know much
> > about Central europe or Eastern Europe
> >>
> >> you don't spend enough time checking fraudsites or alerts... simply
> >> because a country
> > is not US or Canada, does not mean it is automatically Nigeria.
And as for
> > computer
> > hacking, theft, scams, phishing etc-- US is a leader.
> >>
> >> I'd be far more wary of Russia, but Estonia?
> >>
> >>
> >> Estonia is member of EU-- so it's not some renegade nation out
to protect
> >> every illegal
> > in world.
> >>
> >> sorry but just because a country is not part of US, does not mean
it is
> >> one of the Axis of
> > Evil or Outter Slobovia
> >>
> >> Remember that US is one of the hubs of hacking and frauds and
identity

> >> theft is rife
> > there... as is spamming, phishing and some other nasty stuff.
> >>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

Re: payment, payment, who's got the...

2008-10-05T15:54:44Z

At 03:45 PM 10/5/2008, ycardozo@... wrote:
>It just was a bit interesting that a day after inquiring, I was
>told that a payment would be going out on Monday. I am figuring it
>somehow slipped thru the cracks and I am glad they got onto it to
>promptly when I inquired. It does pay to keep after such things.

Yvette:

Curiously, virtually every single "investigative purchase" that was
made on behalf of the Stock Artists Alliance through sub-distributors
ended up having some snag where the photographer took abnormally long
to be paid. In many cases it wasn't until someone queried that the
sale was noted. So yes, it does pay to follow up when you know a
sale has been made.

The bigger question is, how do you know that has happened in the case
where your images are with a sub-distributor?

Hmmm?

David

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payment, payment, who's got the...

2008-10-05T13:45:44Z

In a message dated 10/5/2008 7:06:45 AM Pacific Standard Time,
STOCKPHOTO@... writes:

With most it seems to be a multiple month process before you can
expect payment, especially if the client is on a credit account (many
are on 30 day net accounts).

------------------
David,
I do know this, having been with various agencies for a while. It just was a
bit interesting that a day after inquiring, I was told that a payment would
be going out on Monday. I am figuring it somehow slipped thru the cracks and I
am glad they got onto it to promptly when I inquired. It does pay to keep
after such things.

Yvette Cardozo
14821 255 Ave SE
Issaquah, WA 98027
phone: (425) 391-0770
fax: (888) 726-8992
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Re: payment, payment, who's got the...

2008-10-04T14:54:55Z

At 10:45 AM 10/4/2008, ycardozo@... wrote:
>So, for all of you who talk about how PhotoLibrary is draging it's
>feet on old Index Stock payments....I got a payment statement from
>another agency...one of the top three.

Yvette:

This is one good reason to be thankful that the Stock Artists
Alliance is around. They have been following up with PhotoLibrary
(thanks to the tireless efforts of Roy Hsu), and with the many
photographers with IndexStock and other agencies that were bought by
PhotoLibrary in the past couple of years.

http://www.stockartistsalliance.org/photolibrary-info
The most recent press release (Sept. 30, 2008)
http://www.stockartistsalliance.org/photolibrary-sept08 notes that
this resulted in PhotoLibrary scheduling payments amounting to
$560,000 in long overdue royalties due to 116 StockIndex
Photographers that probably would not have received that money otherwise.

As for whether other distributors are delaying payments, that is
another question. It does sometimes seem that it can take forever to
receive payments. If it seems like it's taking longer than normal, go
back and check your contract(s). Most indicate the process and lay
out a timeline.

With most it seems to be a multiple month process before you can
expect payment, especially if the client is on a credit account (many
are on 30 day net accounts).

--
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Need Keywords for your database? Get the Controlled Vocabulary Solution
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most popular imaging applications from Adobe Bridge to Photo Mechanic.

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Re: For those that sell stock from their own personal sites, how's it working out?

2008-10-04T14:23:19Z

>
>
>Regardless of how you format your online stock photography business
>you need to understand Google. Google is far and away the best
>marketing vehicle available to small business today.
>
>If I were starting an agency site today I would first and foremost be
>extremely selective about the talent I represented and the employees
>I hired. I would sell higher priced RM and art prints, as that part
>of the business (art prints) is holding up quite well.
>
>Fred Voetsch

Hi Fred

I don't understand your costs in regards to having the work of other
photogrpahers on line. Once you have the pictures on line other than
paying for a little storage space what is the cost?

I too have thought about advertising but decided against it as I
think it takes away from the focus of my site being an online library.

"If you were starting and agency today" is it not possible to change
whatever you are doing from this day forward ?

David
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Re: For those that sell stock from their own personal sites, how's it working out?

2008-10-04T10:29:07Z

It's working out Rob, but it's a struggle. At this point the
agencies deliver more cash flow - but the 80/20 rule always applies.
80% marketing, 20% results.
The agency sales graph is pretty flat, the direct sales graph
continues to increase, if only slightly. Can't wait till they cross.
ITMeantime, it's nice to bank 100% of those sales.

--- In STOCKPHOTO@..., "rob Casey" <rob@...> wrote:
>
> i'm curious to hear from photogs that have their own 'agency' or
archive on their own site
> that they sell from. is it working out? do you sell more than your
agencies? is it a waste of
> time and energy? thanks!
>
> Rob Casey
>

Re: For those that sell stock from their own personal sites, how's it working out?

2008-10-04T09:56:17Z

About 6 years ago I began licensing my images online and within a
year or two it had morphed into an "agency" where we were also
selling images from other photographers.

It has been very lucrative and if I hadn't overexpanded a few years
ago and made some typical mistakes that small businesses make when
they begin to grow, I would have no regrets at all.

There are at least two ways you can utilize a website, IMO: You can
either use it as a product catalog or you format it like a magazine
directed towards image buyers. A product catalog sells product and
therefore does not have ads. A magazine features information and may
also sell product and makes additional revenue on ads.

I use the magazine format in order to diversify my revenue. If I
didn't have the ad revenue I would likely have to either charge
photographers a fee or remove most of them since the administrative
costs are sustantial. Most photographers are costing me more than
they make without the ads. A small handful account for the majority
of our sales.

Regardless of how you format your online stock photography business
you need to understand Google. Google is far and away the best
marketing vehicle available to small business today.

If I were starting an agency site today I would first and foremost be
extremely selective about the talent I represented and the employees
I hired. I would sell higher priced RM and art prints, as that part
of the business (art prints) is holding up quite well.

Fred Voetsch
Acclaim Stock Photography
http://www.acclaimimages.com

--- In STOCKPHOTO@..., "rob Casey" <rob@...> wrote:
>
> i'm curious to hear from photogs that have their own 'agency' or
archive on their own site
> that they sell from. is it working out? do you sell more than your
agencies? is it a waste of
> time and energy? thanks!
>
> Rob Casey
>

Re: For those that sell stock from their own personal sites, how's it working out?

2008-10-04T09:01:32Z

--- In STOCKPHOTO@..., "Iris Richardson" <iris@...> wrote:

>
> Rob, it is never a waste of time to use your own website to promote
> your own stock images. It can be very beneficial to the art buyer to
> see all the work of one artist together. What better way than the
> artist website where he or she decides what is his or her best work.
> Even a very basic website still leads itself to stock sales. You can
> use paypal for credit card payment or accept payments by direct
> deposit or old fashion checks. The most important think to remember
> about websites make them user friendly to your buyers as well as to
> yourself.
>
> Iris
>

Iris,
This very thought was going through my mind today. What is the
best way of promoting the website - emailing publishers directly or
is there somewhere where the site can be put to bring it to the
attention of the publishing world? I have contaacted BAPLA in the UK
but to join they want trade references - well if you are just
starting you won't have any but membership would no doubt bring in
trade - the old "chicke and egg" - any thougts?

Rgds

Brian

payment, payment, who's got the...

2008-10-04T08:45:29Z

So, for all of you who talk about how PhotoLibrary is draging it's feet on
old Index Stock payments....I got a payment statement from another
agency...one of the top three. I only have a handful of images there so I don't get much
action but in this case, the sale was made in November. I got maybe three
more statements saying I was owed money. Then nothing. On Thursday, I emailed
the agency and the next day, what a coincidence, I got an email saying my
payment would be sent out Oct. 6. So it's not just one agency. I'm sure it
happens more than we know. How much of this is an accidental oversite and how much
not....I can't even begin to guess.

Yvette Cardozo
14821 255 Ave SE
Issaquah, WA 98027
phone: (425) 391-0770
fax: (888) 726-8992
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Re: For those that sell stock from their own personal sites, how's it working out?

2008-10-03T16:26:57Z

Rob, it is never a waste of time to use your own website to promote
your own stock images. It can be very beneficial to the art buyer to
see all the work of one artist together. What better way than the
artist website where he or she decides what is his or her best work.
Even a very basic website still leads itself to stock sales. You can
use paypal for credit card payment or accept payments by direct
deposit or old fashion checks. The most important think to remember
about websites make them user friendly to your buyers as well as to
yourself.

Iris

For those that sell stock from their own personal sites, how's it working out?

2008-10-03T10:04:38Z

i'm curious to hear from photogs that have their own 'agency' or archive on their own site
that they sell from. is it working out? do you sell more than your agencies? is it a waste of
time and energy? thanks!

Rob Casey

Re: tickler do you inform on faked photos?

2008-10-03T09:58:16Z

Nuthin wrong Joe. I think we must always remember - there is NO TRUTH
in photography. Never was.

In photojournalism there should be truth in the photojournalist -
which, IMO, doesn't preclude tuning an image with edge burning,
contrast control, selective focus, choice of lens for perspective
control, etc, etc, etc, etc.

--- In STOCKPHOTO@..., Joseph Pobereskin <joseph@...>
wrote:
> I tweak colors, remove unwanted/distracting elements, add
additional
> elements and retouch where I think is necessary and move things
around
> all the time. What, exactly, is wrong with that?

Re: tickler do you inform on faked photos?

2008-10-03T09:25:09Z

I would suggest that anytime a photo is significantly altered, in a
manner that distorts reality, and is then offered as stock photography,
the alterations should be noted in the image description. Full
disclosure is always the best policy, IMO.

Fred Voetsch
Acclaim Images
http://www.acclaimimages.com

--- In STOCKPHOTO@..., "stephendelear" <stephendelear@...>
wrote:
>
>
> I'm not sure a "faked" photo (as in a photoshop composite) is
> particularly objectionable, unless represented as photojournalism.
> Ten, twenty years ago maybe. Today, for non journalistic stock,
> probably not much of an issue.

old stock news

2008-10-03T07:57:34Z

Tough summer for stock stock

By Chris Ferrone September 08, 2008

http://tinyurl.com/5lg6d4
No, thats not a typo in the head-line. Managers of the two publicly-traded companies in the stock photo business, Jupitermedia and A21, will not look back on the summer of 08 fondly, at least not with respect to their stock prices. Jupiters stock price closed at $1.17 on the Friday of Labor Day Weekend a slide of 30% from a close of $1.71 the Monday after Memorial Day. Over that same period, A21 Inc. hovered at literal penny stock status having floated between $0.01 and $0.03.

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Re: Re: tickler do you inform on faked photos?

2008-10-03T03:26:48Z

No, I meant direct copying and using another person's image as his own

and as faked-- as in moving major elements about in an image where they no longer represent reality or are unrealistic

I think it's okay in artistic photography, dadaism and lots of other isms, but not realism. somehow disturbing in something that is presented as real landmarks or travel images. If you want to remove the Statue of Liberty and plunk her in front of the White House and then peddle the image as WaDC-- I suppose that most people would recognize it for what it is.

Or if you grabbed the Eiffel and dumped it on the square by the Pyramid near the Louvre...

there's a certain credibility problem as presenting them as authentic cityscapes, but I think I have the response.

inaction saves energy and time.

--- On Thu, 10/2/08, stephendelear <stephendelear@...> wrote:
From: stephendelear <stephendelear@...>
Subject: [STOCKPHOTO] Re: tickler do you inform on faked photos?
To: STOCKPHOTO@...
Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 9:20 PM

I'm not sure a "faked" photo (as in a photoshop composite) is

particularly objectionable, unless represented as photojournalism.

Ten, twenty years ago maybe. Today, for non journalistic stock,

probably not much of an issue.

Now as to taking similar images to some that are generally unavailable

in the west, that's much more bothersome. It would depend on the

image, situation, and whether or not the "copped" image could legally

be considered a derivative work.

Stephen

--- In STOCKPHOTO@yahoogro ups.com, "Mary C. Legg" <ardeladimwit@ ...>

wrote:

>

>

> Hallo

>

> nonrelatedï¿½ question.ï¿½ I was digging about an agentï¿½ and found

several faked images by same photographer.

>

> I can walk out the door, grab the metro and shoot the same subject

to prove them as fakes. More bothersome to me though is that it seems

that this guy's portfolio is made up from famous images or highly

circulated images from Prague that he copped.

>

> The agency wants 100 images portfolio for submission, but says

nothing about its stance on copping or fakingï¿½ photos---

>

>

> Normally I would send the links, but I'm not sure really what to do

because tracking theï¿½ images I think are stolen takesï¿½ time...ï¿½

>

> When you live in Prague, youï¿½ knowï¿½ which side of the bridge a

statue is on and recognize the buildings. when its the wrong building,

there's an instinctive double-take.

>

>

> do you guys report violations?

>

> I think I have several undeniableï¿½ fakes or copped images I can send

to the agency from the same "photographer" ,ï¿½ but several I recognize

as works of other photographers.

>

> fakes as in strange composites.. .ï¿½ an object is whereï¿½ it doesn't

actually exist or the wrong building in background, or artificially

enhanced color to something that is aged bronze...

> major architectural elements removed from image, etcï¿½

>

>

> and if you see images you think are copped?ï¿½ do you inform theï¿½

agency or try to track back andï¿½ find the photographer?

>

>

> is disturbing to me.ï¿½ this kind of stuff should not be selling as

exclusive RM licence.

>

>

>

> --- On Thu, 9/25/08, fabgo <fabgo@...> wrote:

> From: fabgo <fabgo@...>

> Subject: [STOCKPHOTO] Re: Found two unreported/unauthor ized uses today

> To: STOCKPHOTO@yahoogro ups.com

> Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 6:23 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> --- In STOCKPHOTO@yahoogro ups.com, Peter Bennett <pb@>

wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Fabian,

>

> >

>

> > I know some clients have a pay on publication deal with agencies. As

>

> lousy

>

> > as that is, it may explain the delay in reporting. The lead time

may as

>

> > little as a few weeks with certain publications, it depends how

close to

>

> > deadline they licensed the image.

>

>

>

> Hi Peter,

>

>

>

> You are right. Alamy got back to me with the following reply:

>

>

>

> "Most publications confirm image usages by the end of the month of

>

> usage. Due to the sheer volume of images that these firms have to deal

>

> with, they find this a convenient option."

>

>

>

> Will you please get back to us with scanned copies of the usage if it

>

> remains un-invoiced by the end of October? We assure you that this

>

> issue will be taken care of by us then."

>

>

>

> Now I'm curious to see if it will actually be billed or not...

>

>

>

> Fabian Gonzales

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

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Re: tickler do you inform on faked photos?

2008-10-02T17:45:00Z

This subject was discussed at great length in the past - controversial then, controversial now. Review the archives under 'photoshopped images" or similar terms for the various thoughts and opinions and arguments, it was a lively discussion. Some more info that bears on this issue :

One popular distributor's position on digital alterations:

"Whilst many images may be altered to a certain degree, if the original scene has been changed significantly we define it as digitally altered. This includes adding, moving, or removing items and major changes to saturation, contrast and levels. Essentially, a digitally altered image is a distorted image of the original scene.
?

An image should not be classed as digitally altered if it has been cropped, converted to black and white or if minor changes have been made to levels and saturation.

Editorial customers (e.g. newspapers, magazines, book publishers) need to know if an image has been altered such that it no longer has the exact appearance of the original. Some customers need to be guaranteed a degree of authenticity. "

So, just how do you quantify terms such as "changed significantly", "minor changes". What would a "reasonable person" in a court of law think ?

Bottom line, anonymous/unreported 'changes' made to your images are done so at your own peril, IMHO. Are you a risk taker/gambler ? If you are, then, as a bare minimum, I would at least?list somewhere in the file info/metadata description or comments all pertinent changes that were made.

Now, as to the definition of "pertinent"..............??? ; - )

Len Holsborg
http://lenholsborg.com

-----Original Message-----
From: urbicande@...
To: STOCKPHOTO@...
Sent: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 11:40 am
Subject: Re: [STOCKPHOTO] tickler do you inform on faked photos?

> nonrelated question. I was digging about an agent and found several faked
> images by same photographer.

hello,

what do you mean exactly? Even Canaletto, who is known for his accurate
paintzings of city panoramas, changed the positions of buildings a little
bit to make things look better...

Harald

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Re: Re: Alamy's Position as bean counter

2008-10-02T16:22:27Z

nice one Pete Jenkins, now Chief Bean Picker

http://www.bjp-online.com/public/showPage.html?page=817639
British Journal of Photography commentary on Alamy NYC office

apologies Sean Locke for hijacking your note, but am very lazy

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Sean Locke <sjlocke@...> wrote:
From: Sean Locke <sjlocke@...>
Subject: [STOCKPHOTO] Re: Alamy's Position
To: STOCKPHOTO@...
Date: Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 2:24 AM

--- In STOCKPHOTO@yahoogro ups.com, "Rich Green" <rjgreenphoto@ ...> wrote:

>

> In another photo discussion group, a photographer commented on where

art buyers are

> going to find images. Getty was at the top of the list, followed by

Corbis and then maybe

> Veer, Masterfile, and AgeFotostock.

> I'm sure Getty and Corbis are at the top of the heap (I'm not

talking about niche agencies)

> but I wonder where Alamy falls into the general mix. Anybody have

any insight?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Rich Green

>

I'd imagine art buyers will buy where they find the image that suits

whatever they are buying for.

Sean L.

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Re: Alamy announces decrease in royalty payments in 2009

2008-10-02T16:09:25Z

It seems like other agencies are doing the same.

My question is what are photographers going to do about it?
Without the artist the agencies do not have a business.

From reading along it seems rather that performance of many agencies
has been lacking.

What justifies the rate cut?
What are the artist getting in return?

Iris

Re: Re: tickler do you inform on faked photos?

2008-10-02T16:03:16Z

Joe

this is funny because I was over on your site just as I wrote this and speak of the devil you show up...

tell me do you move buildings that are a kilometer apart so they can be conveniently together?

I'm not thinking of tweaking-- that's more than acceptable

but I find it pretty strange to have things juxtaposed when it would take a troupe of civil engineers and several months of strategic planning to remove, add or subtract buildings, fountains or statuary...

besides, just a question. However, I think that if I found your images faked elsewhere or copped, you'd be happy for me to come round and tell you that I discovered them with somebody else's name on them.

--- On Thu, 10/2/08, Joseph Pobereskin <joseph@...> wrote:
From: Joseph Pobereskin <joseph@...>
Subject: [STOCKPHOTO] Re: tickler do you inform on faked photos?
To: stockphoto@...
Date: Thursday, October 2, 2008, 8:00 PM

Mary C. Legg wrote:

> fakes as in strange composites.. . an object is where it doesn't

> actually exist or the wrong building in background, or artificially

> enhanced color to something that is aged bronze...

> major architectural elements removed from image, etc

I tweak colors, remove unwanted/distractin g elements, add additional

elements and retouch where I think is necessary and move things around

all the time. What, exactly, is wrong with that? I don't claim to be

a photojournalist or that everything I show you is true.

My 2¢,

Joe Pobereskin

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Re: tickler do you inform on faked photos?

2008-10-02T12:20:57Z

I'm not sure a "faked" photo (as in a photoshop composite) is
particularly objectionable, unless represented as photojournalism.
Ten, twenty years ago maybe. Today, for non journalistic stock,
probably not much of an issue.

Now as to taking similar images to some that are generally unavailable
in the west, that's much more bothersome. It would depend on the
image, situation, and whether or not the "copped" image could legally
be considered a derivative work.

Stephen

--- In STOCKPHOTO@..., "Mary C. Legg" <ardeladimwit@...>
wrote:
>
>
> Hallo
>
> nonrelatedï¿½ question.ï¿½ I was digging about an agentï¿½ and found
several faked images by same photographer.
>
> I can walk out the door, grab the metro and shoot the same subject
to prove them as fakes. More bothersome to me though is that it seems
that this guy's portfolio is made up from famous images or highly
circulated images from Prague that he copped.
>
> The agency wants 100 images portfolio for submission, but says
nothing about its stance on copping or fakingï¿½ photos---
>
>
> Normally I would send the links, but I'm not sure really what to do
because tracking theï¿½ images I think are stolen takesï¿½ time...ï¿½
>
> When you live in Prague, youï¿½ knowï¿½ which side of the bridge a
statue is on and recognize the buildings. when its the wrong building,
there's an instinctive double-take.
>
>
> do you guys report violations?
>
> I think I have several undeniableï¿½ fakes or copped images I can send
to the agency from the same "photographer",ï¿½ but several I recognize
as works of other photographers.
>
> fakes as in strange composites...ï¿½ an object is whereï¿½ it doesn't
actually exist or the wrong building in background, or artificially
enhanced color to something that is aged bronze...
> major architectural elements removed from image, etcï¿½
>
>
> and if you see images you think are copped?ï¿½ do you inform theï¿½
agency or try to track back andï¿½ find the photographer?
>
>
> is disturbing to me.ï¿½ this kind of stuff should not be selling as
exclusive RM licence.

>
>
>
> --- On Thu, 9/25/08, fabgo <fabgo@...> wrote:
> From: fabgo <fabgo@...>
> Subject: [STOCKPHOTO] Re: Found two unreported/unauthorized uses today
> To: STOCKPHOTO@...
> Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 6:23 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> --- In STOCKPHOTO@yahoogro ups.com, Peter Bennett <pb@>

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> Will you please get back to us with scanned copies of the usage if it
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> Fabian Gonzales
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