Nabble - Shale

shale-test and JMock2

2008-10-06T10:59:34Z

Is shale-test ready to use with JMock2?

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From forum: Shale - User

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] New Shale Committer: Paul Spencer

2008-10-04T10:32:36Z

Hey Paul,

congrats, and welcome aboard.

-M

On Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Greg Reddin <gredbug@...> wrote:

> Welcome, Paul! Glad to have you here.
>
> Greg
>
> On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Gary VanMatre <gvanmatre@...> wrote:
>> Please join me in welcoming Paul Spencer as the newest Shale committer. Paul has been very supportive of the Shale community over the past year. Paul is also a member of the MyFaces project.
>>
>> Welcome, Paul!
>>
>>
>

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From forum: Shale - Dev

Re: [Test] outstanding patches ?

2008-10-04T10:31:21Z

no patches on TEST, that need to be committed ?

-M

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@...> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> are there outstanding patches ?
> If so, please reply to this mail with the according jira #.
>
> I will find some time for
> a) review
> b) applying them to Shale test.
>
> After that, I will find some more time to finally do a release (more
> on that later),
> first, let's get the patches in ;-)
>
> -M
>
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From forum: Shale - Dev

Re: [Test] outstanding patches ?

2008-10-04T10:31:21Z

no patches on TEST, that need to be committed ?

-M

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 6:06 PM, Matthias Wessendorf <matzew@...> wrote:

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From forum: Shale - User

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] New Shale Committer: Paul Spencer

2008-10-03T07:53:57Z

Welcome, Paul! Glad to have you here.

Greg

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 10:31 PM, Gary VanMatre <gvanmatre@...> wrote:
> Please join me in welcoming Paul Spencer as the newest Shale committer. Paul has been very supportive of the Shale community over the past year. Paul is also a member of the MyFaces project.
>
> Welcome, Paul!
>
>

From forum: Shale - Dev

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] New Shale Committer: Paul Spencer

2008-10-03T07:43:18Z

Welcome aboard!!!

On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 11:31 PM, Gary VanMatre <gvanmatre@...> wrote:
> Please join me in welcoming Paul Spencer as the newest Shale committer. Paul has been very supportive of the Shale community over the past year. Paul is also a member of the MyFaces project.
>
> Welcome, Paul!
>
>

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From forum: Shale - Dev

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] New Shale Committer: Paul Spencer

2008-10-03T07:43:18Z

From forum: Shale - User

[ANNOUNCEMENT] New Shale Committer: Paul Spencer

2008-10-02T20:31:31Z

Please join me in welcoming Paul Spencer as the newest Shale committer. Paul has been very supportive of the Shale community over the past year. Paul is also a member of the MyFaces project.

Welcome, Paul!

From forum: Shale - Dev

[ANNOUNCEMENT] New Shale Committer: Paul Spencer

2008-10-02T20:31:31Z

From forum: Shale - User

Re: Shale Test

2008-10-02T14:31:57Z

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Kito Mann" <kito.mann@...>

> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Gary VanMatre <gvanmatre@...> wrote:
>
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "Kito Mann" <kito.mann@...>
> > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Greg Reddin <gredbug@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Kito Mann <kito.mann@...>
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > That's fine, but I don't really see _anyone_ driving releases :-).
> > What's
> > > > > the problem with letting Shale Test move somewhere else?
> > > >
> > > > ....
> > > >
> > > > > The problem, though, is that Shale Test is part of a project that has
> > > > > stagnated. So, even if Shale Test moves forward, it's difficult to
> > get
> > > > > traction if the whole project is perceived as stale. Do you see what
> > I'm
> > > > > saying?
> > > >
> > > > If there are so many people out there who want to help move Shale Test
> > > > forward, then we would love for them to step up and start
> > > > contributing. Look at it this way: I use Shale in at least one project
> > > > at work, so I have a vested interest in it continuing to work. Now a
> > > > whole bunch of people from Project Foo think Shale needs to move
> > > > forward and that it can move forward better over at Project Foo.
> > > >
> > > > But I've never seen code from the folks at Project Foo. I don't know
> > > > their attitudes or development styles. I don't know how they work with
> > > > others. I don't know if they will release it under a license I am
> > > > comfortable with. How can I agree in good faith to just hand over the
> > > > management of Shale to Project Foo when I don't know these things?
> > > >
> > > > We are commissioned by the ASF to manage the Shale project. You could
> > > > make a decent argument that we have not done a very good job of
> > > > managing the project. But we cannot recommend to the ASF in good faith
> > > > that the best direction for the project is to send it to somebody else
> > > > who we don't know.
> > > >
> > > > So that brings us back to this: If people think Shale Test needs to
> > > > move forward then I would cordially and sincerely invite them to come
> > > > join the dev list and start submitting patches. Point me to the
> > > > patches that have not been responded to. Point me to the questions and
> > > > requests that are not being answered. When I see that I can begin to
> > > > give credibility to your argument that Shale would be better managed
> > > > elsewhere.
> > > >
> > > > Just so I am clear: the motive of this post is not to be dramatic or
> > > > troll or anything like that. I want to see Shale move forward too. If
> > > > the best thing is for it to move elsewhere, then I will be the first
> > > > to vote for that. But I can't trust who I don't know. Send those folks
> > > > over here and let's engage in some discussion and get some stuff done.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Ok. I'll certainly ping Stan and company. But I think my sentiment is
> > valid
> > > even if we just move it to MyFaces. That, to me, would make plenty of
> > sense
> > > because plenty of the MyFaces projects use it.
> > >
> >
> > Well, we have several myfaces committers on the shale project. I'm not
> > convinced that moving the code there under different package names
> > would make the bits work better.
>
>
> Okay. That's a fair point. I'm still concerned about the future of Shale as
> a whole -- I guess that's the main issue... Where will things be in a year?
>

Yeah, I'm not sure. I can't even predict who is going to own my mortgage in a
year.

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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
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From forum: Shale - Dev

Re: Shale Test

2008-10-02T14:03:55Z

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 2:42 PM, Gary VanMatre <gvanmatre@...> wrote:

>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Kito Mann" <kito.mann@...>
> > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Greg Reddin <gredbug@...> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Kito Mann <kito.mann@...>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > That's fine, but I don't really see _anyone_ driving releases :-).
> What's
> > > > the problem with letting Shale Test move somewhere else?
> > >
> > > ....
> > >
> > > > The problem, though, is that Shale Test is part of a project that has
> > > > stagnated. So, even if Shale Test moves forward, it's difficult to
> get
> > > > traction if the whole project is perceived as stale. Do you see what
> I'm
> > > > saying?
> > >
> > > If there are so many people out there who want to help move Shale Test
> > > forward, then we would love for them to step up and start
> > > contributing. Look at it this way: I use Shale in at least one project
> > > at work, so I have a vested interest in it continuing to work. Now a
> > > whole bunch of people from Project Foo think Shale needs to move
> > > forward and that it can move forward better over at Project Foo.
> > >
> > > But I've never seen code from the folks at Project Foo. I don't know
> > > their attitudes or development styles. I don't know how they work with
> > > others. I don't know if they will release it under a license I am
> > > comfortable with. How can I agree in good faith to just hand over the
> > > management of Shale to Project Foo when I don't know these things?
> > >
> > > We are commissioned by the ASF to manage the Shale project. You could
> > > make a decent argument that we have not done a very good job of
> > > managing the project. But we cannot recommend to the ASF in good faith
> > > that the best direction for the project is to send it to somebody else
> > > who we don't know.
> > >
> > > So that brings us back to this: If people think Shale Test needs to
> > > move forward then I would cordially and sincerely invite them to come
> > > join the dev list and start submitting patches. Point me to the
> > > patches that have not been responded to. Point me to the questions and
> > > requests that are not being answered. When I see that I can begin to
> > > give credibility to your argument that Shale would be better managed
> > > elsewhere.
> > >
> > > Just so I am clear: the motive of this post is not to be dramatic or
> > > troll or anything like that. I want to see Shale move forward too. If
> > > the best thing is for it to move elsewhere, then I will be the first
> > > to vote for that. But I can't trust who I don't know. Send those folks
> > > over here and let's engage in some discussion and get some stuff done.
> > >
> >
> > Ok. I'll certainly ping Stan and company. But I think my sentiment is
> valid
> > even if we just move it to MyFaces. That, to me, would make plenty of
> sense
> > because plenty of the MyFaces projects use it.
> >
>
> Well, we have several myfaces committers on the shale project. I'm not
> convinced that moving the code there under different package names
> would make the bits work better.

Okay. That's a fair point. I'm still concerned about the future of Shale as
a whole -- I guess that's the main issue... Where will things be in a year?

>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > --
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From forum: Shale - Dev

Re: Shale Test

2008-10-02T04:01:53Z

On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Gary VanMatre <gvanmatre@...> wrote:

>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohmann@...>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Matthias Wessendorf schrieb:
>> > I personally only have interest in test, that's what I use on my projects.
>> > But if don't care about the rest.
>> >
>> > So, could an "only" 1.1 release of test work ?
>> >
>>
>> +1
>
> I think we would need to vote on releasing just a 1.1 shale test library but I don't see any major issue there given the big fuss. Matthias, are you volunteering?
>
>
>>
>> https://issues.apache.org/struts/browse/SHALE-465
>> https://issues.apache.org/struts/browse/SHALE-466
>> https://issues.apache.org/struts/browse/SHALE-467
>> https://issues.apache.org/struts/browse/SHALE-468
>>
>> I would like to use Shale Test for MyFaces Tobago, but all patches have
>> only been applied to trunk. Should I resend the patches for the 1.0 branch?
>>
>
> That's odd. Maybe Matthias had some reason for only applying these to the snapshot branch.

I did that, because I think that development should be done on trunk.

Bernd, any chance you guys can use an upcoming 1.1 ?
Otherwise, of course, I will apply these changes to the (out-dated)
branch as well.

-Matthias

>
>
>
>> Regards
>>
>> Bernd
>>
>>
>
> Gary
>

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From forum: Shale - Dev

Fwd: CFP open for ApacheCon Europe 2009

2008-10-02T03:59:34Z

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From forum: Shale - Dev

Fwd: CFP open for ApacheCon Europe 2009

2008-10-02T03:59:34Z

From forum: Shale - User

Re: Shale Test

2008-10-01T11:42:58Z

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Kito Mann" <kito.mann@...>

> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Greg Reddin <gredbug@...> wrote:
>
> > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Kito Mann <kito.mann@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > That's fine, but I don't really see _anyone_ driving releases :-). What's
> > > the problem with letting Shale Test move somewhere else?
> >
> > ....
> >
> > > The problem, though, is that Shale Test is part of a project that has
> > > stagnated. So, even if Shale Test moves forward, it's difficult to get
> > > traction if the whole project is perceived as stale. Do you see what I'm
> > > saying?
> >
> > If there are so many people out there who want to help move Shale Test
> > forward, then we would love for them to step up and start
> > contributing. Look at it this way: I use Shale in at least one project
> > at work, so I have a vested interest in it continuing to work. Now a
> > whole bunch of people from Project Foo think Shale needs to move
> > forward and that it can move forward better over at Project Foo.
> >
> > But I've never seen code from the folks at Project Foo. I don't know
> > their attitudes or development styles. I don't know how they work with
> > others. I don't know if they will release it under a license I am
> > comfortable with. How can I agree in good faith to just hand over the
> > management of Shale to Project Foo when I don't know these things?
> >
> > We are commissioned by the ASF to manage the Shale project. You could
> > make a decent argument that we have not done a very good job of
> > managing the project. But we cannot recommend to the ASF in good faith
> > that the best direction for the project is to send it to somebody else
> > who we don't know.
> >
> > So that brings us back to this: If people think Shale Test needs to
> > move forward then I would cordially and sincerely invite them to come
> > join the dev list and start submitting patches. Point me to the
> > patches that have not been responded to. Point me to the questions and
> > requests that are not being answered. When I see that I can begin to
> > give credibility to your argument that Shale would be better managed
> > elsewhere.
> >
> > Just so I am clear: the motive of this post is not to be dramatic or
> > troll or anything like that. I want to see Shale move forward too. If
> > the best thing is for it to move elsewhere, then I will be the first
> > to vote for that. But I can't trust who I don't know. Send those folks
> > over here and let's engage in some discussion and get some stuff done.
> >
>
> Ok. I'll certainly ping Stan and company. But I think my sentiment is valid
> even if we just move it to MyFaces. That, to me, would make plenty of sense
> because plenty of the MyFaces projects use it.
>

Well, we have several myfaces committers on the shale project. I'm not
convinced that moving the code there under different package names
would make the bits work better.

>
>
> --
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> http://twitter.com/kito99
> http://www.virtua.com - JSF/Java EE consulting, training, and mentoring
> http://www.JSFCentral.com - JavaServer Faces FAQ, news, and info
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From forum: Shale - Dev

Re: Shale Test

2008-10-01T10:04:20Z

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Greg Reddin <gredbug@...> wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Kito Mann <kito.mann@...> wrote:
> >
> > That's fine, but I don't really see _anyone_ driving releases :-). What's
> > the problem with letting Shale Test move somewhere else?
>
> ....
>
> > The problem, though, is that Shale Test is part of a project that has
> > stagnated. So, even if Shale Test moves forward, it's difficult to get
> > traction if the whole project is perceived as stale. Do you see what I'm
> > saying?
>
> If there are so many people out there who want to help move Shale Test
> forward, then we would love for them to step up and start
> contributing. Look at it this way: I use Shale in at least one project
> at work, so I have a vested interest in it continuing to work. Now a
> whole bunch of people from Project Foo think Shale needs to move
> forward and that it can move forward better over at Project Foo.
>
> But I've never seen code from the folks at Project Foo. I don't know
> their attitudes or development styles. I don't know how they work with
> others. I don't know if they will release it under a license I am
> comfortable with. How can I agree in good faith to just hand over the
> management of Shale to Project Foo when I don't know these things?
>
> We are commissioned by the ASF to manage the Shale project. You could
> make a decent argument that we have not done a very good job of
> managing the project. But we cannot recommend to the ASF in good faith
> that the best direction for the project is to send it to somebody else
> who we don't know.
>
> So that brings us back to this: If people think Shale Test needs to
> move forward then I would cordially and sincerely invite them to come
> join the dev list and start submitting patches. Point me to the
> patches that have not been responded to. Point me to the questions and
> requests that are not being answered. When I see that I can begin to
> give credibility to your argument that Shale would be better managed
> elsewhere.
>
> Just so I am clear: the motive of this post is not to be dramatic or
> troll or anything like that. I want to see Shale move forward too. If
> the best thing is for it to move elsewhere, then I will be the first
> to vote for that. But I can't trust who I don't know. Send those folks
> over here and let's engage in some discussion and get some stuff done.
>

Ok. I'll certainly ping Stan and company. But I think my sentiment is valid
even if we just move it to MyFaces. That, to me, would make plenty of sense
because plenty of the MyFaces projects use it.

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From forum: Shale - Dev

[Test] outstanding patches ?

2008-10-01T09:06:32Z

Hi,

are there outstanding patches ?
If so, please reply to this mail with the according jira #.

I will find some time for
a) review
b) applying them to Shale test.

After that, I will find some more time to finally do a release (more
on that later),
first, let's get the patches in ;-)

-M

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From forum: Shale - Dev

Re: Shale Test

2008-10-01T07:48:06Z

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Bernd Bohmann <bernd.bohmann@...>

> Hello,
>
> Matthias Wessendorf schrieb:
> > I personally only have interest in test, that's what I use on my projects.
> > But if don't care about the rest.
> >
> > So, could an "only" 1.1 release of test work ?
> >
>
> +1

I think we would need to vote on releasing just a 1.1 shale test library but I don't see any major issue there given the big fuss. Matthias, are you volunteering?

>
> https://issues.apache.org/struts/browse/SHALE-465
> https://issues.apache.org/struts/browse/SHALE-466
> https://issues.apache.org/struts/browse/SHALE-467
> https://issues.apache.org/struts/browse/SHALE-468
>
> I would like to use Shale Test for MyFaces Tobago, but all patches have
> only been applied to trunk. Should I resend the patches for the 1.0 branch?
>

That's odd. Maybe Matthias had some reason for only applying these to the snapshot branch.

> Regards
>
> Bernd
>
>

Gary

From forum: Shale - Dev

Re: Shale Test

2008-10-01T06:47:29Z

Hello,

Matthias Wessendorf schrieb:
> I personally only have interest in test, that's what I use on my projects.
> But if don't care about the rest.
>
> So, could an "only" 1.1 release of test work ?
>

+1

https://issues.apache.org/struts/browse/SHALE-465
https://issues.apache.org/struts/browse/SHALE-466
https://issues.apache.org/struts/browse/SHALE-467
https://issues.apache.org/struts/browse/SHALE-468

I would like to use Shale Test for MyFaces Tobago, but all patches have
only been applied to trunk. Should I resend the patches for the 1.0 branch?

Regards

Bernd

From forum: Shale - Dev

Re: Shale Test

2008-10-01T01:29:39Z

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Greg Reddin <gredbug@...> wrote:

+1

I doubt it is good to be at Foo at all.

>
> We are commissioned by the ASF to manage the Shale project. You could
> make a decent argument that we have not done a very good job of
> managing the project. But we cannot recommend to the ASF in good faith
> that the best direction for the project is to send it to somebody else
> who we don't know.
>
> So that brings us back to this: If people think Shale Test needs to
> move forward then I would cordially and sincerely invite them to come
> join the dev list and start submitting patches. Point me to the
> patches that have not been responded to. Point me to the questions and
> requests that are not being answered. When I see that I can begin to
> give credibility to your argument that Shale would be better managed
> elsewhere.
>
> Just so I am clear: the motive of this post is not to be dramatic or
> troll or anything like that. I want to see Shale move forward too. If
> the best thing is for it to move elsewhere, then I will be the first
> to vote for that. But I can't trust who I don't know. Send those folks
> over here and let's engage in some discussion and get some stuff done.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>

I personally only have interest in test, that's what I use on my projects.
But if don't care about the rest.

So, could an "only" 1.1 release of test work ?

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From forum: Shale - Dev

Re: Shale Test

2008-10-01T01:23:16Z

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 10:40 PM, Paul Spencer
<paulspencer@...> wrote:
> My main reason for not advocating moving Shale Test into MyFaces is because
> it is implementation agnostic. 1.1-SNAPSHOT is even able to load the

I don't get that.
It would be a separate module, not part of myfaces impl, of course...

> implementation's configuration files!. That said, their has not been a
> release in an while and a supported Shale Test under MyFaces is better then
> the current state.
>
> Shale contains other components, including Shale Dialog which I use, that
> need to be included in this discussion.

worth to discuss on a different thread, this is on test ;-)

>
> Paul Spencer
>
> Kito Mann wrote:
>>
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> At JSFOne we were discussing Shale Test, and again the idea of moving it
>> out
>> of Shale popped up. With so little activity in the Shale project, I'd like
>> to bring up the issue of migrating it to MyFaces proper, or out of MyFaces
>> all-together. Thoughts?
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> Kito D. Mann -- Author, JavaServer Faces in Action
>> http://twitter.com/kito99
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>>
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>

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From forum: Shale - Dev

Re: Shale Test

2008-09-30T08:34:28Z

On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Greg Reddin <gredbug@...> wrote:

<snip/>

+1 to this and the bits below (and thanks to Greg for his patience in
writing thoughtful responses :-).

-Rahul

> Look at it this way: I use Shale in at least one project
> at work, so I have a vested interest in it continuing to work. Now a
> whole bunch of people from Project Foo think Shale needs to move
> forward and that it can move forward better over at Project Foo.
>
> But I've never seen code from the folks at Project Foo. I don't know
> their attitudes or development styles. I don't know how they work with
> others. I don't know if they will release it under a license I am
> comfortable with. How can I agree in good faith to just hand over the
> management of Shale to Project Foo when I don't know these things?
>
> We are commissioned by the ASF to manage the Shale project. You could
> make a decent argument that we have not done a very good job of
> managing the project. But we cannot recommend to the ASF in good faith
> that the best direction for the project is to send it to somebody else
> who we don't know.
>
> So that brings us back to this: If people think Shale Test needs to
> move forward then I would cordially and sincerely invite them to come
> join the dev list and start submitting patches. Point me to the
> patches that have not been responded to. Point me to the questions and
> requests that are not being answered. When I see that I can begin to
> give credibility to your argument that Shale would be better managed
> elsewhere.
>
> Just so I am clear: the motive of this post is not to be dramatic or
> troll or anything like that. I want to see Shale move forward too. If
> the best thing is for it to move elsewhere, then I will be the first
> to vote for that. But I can't trust who I don't know. Send those folks
> over here and let's engage in some discussion and get some stuff done.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>

From forum: Shale - Dev

Re: Shale Test

2008-09-30T08:23:04Z

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Kito Mann <kito.mann@...> wrote:
>
> That's fine, but I don't really see _anyone_ driving releases :-). What's
> the problem with letting Shale Test move somewhere else?

....

> The problem, though, is that Shale Test is part of a project that has
> stagnated. So, even if Shale Test moves forward, it's difficult to get
> traction if the whole project is perceived as stale. Do you see what I'm
> saying?

If there are so many people out there who want to help move Shale Test
forward, then we would love for them to step up and start
contributing. Look at it this way: I use Shale in at least one project
at work, so I have a vested interest in it continuing to work. Now a
whole bunch of people from Project Foo think Shale needs to move
forward and that it can move forward better over at Project Foo.

But I've never seen code from the folks at Project Foo. I don't know
their attitudes or development styles. I don't know how they work with
others. I don't know if they will release it under a license I am
comfortable with. How can I agree in good faith to just hand over the
management of Shale to Project Foo when I don't know these things?

We are commissioned by the ASF to manage the Shale project. You could
make a decent argument that we have not done a very good job of
managing the project. But we cannot recommend to the ASF in good faith
that the best direction for the project is to send it to somebody else
who we don't know.

So that brings us back to this: If people think Shale Test needs to
move forward then I would cordially and sincerely invite them to come
join the dev list and start submitting patches. Point me to the
patches that have not been responded to. Point me to the questions and
requests that are not being answered. When I see that I can begin to
give credibility to your argument that Shale would be better managed
elsewhere.

Just so I am clear: the motive of this post is not to be dramatic or
troll or anything like that. I want to see Shale move forward too. If
the best thing is for it to move elsewhere, then I will be the first
to vote for that. But I can't trust who I don't know. Send those folks
over here and let's engage in some discussion and get some stuff done.

Thanks,
Greg

From forum: Shale - Dev

Re: Shale Test

2008-09-29T16:22:40Z

On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Gary VanMatre <gvanmatre@...>wrote:

>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Kito Mann" <kito.mann@...>
> > On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Gary VanMatre <gvanmatre@...
> >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > > From: "Kito Mann" <kito.mann@...>
> > > > Hello everyone,
> > > >
> > > > At JSFOne we were discussing Shale Test, and again the idea of moving
> it
> > > out
> > > > of Shale popped up. With so little activity in the Shale project, I'd
> > > like
> > > > to bring up the issue of migrating it to MyFaces proper, or out of
> > > MyFaces
> > > > all-together. Thoughts?
> > >
> > > Any contributions to the shale project are much appreciated. What do
> you
> > > mean by "out of MyFaces all-together"? Kito, do you have interest in
> > > supporting this library under the shale community?
> >
> >
> > Well, there has been interest in supporting Shale Test inside of JSFUnit
> --
> > that's what I meant by "out of MyFaces all-together". Basically, I think
> the
> > community could use and updated and and active version of Shale Test, and
> > the Shale community doesn't seem to have the bandwidth (or interest) in
> > making that happen. Given the fact that a lot of MyFaces projects use it,
> I
> > could see how MyFaces may be a better place for it, *if* people in that
> > community have cycles for it. Otherwise, it may fare better somewhere
> else.
> >
> > I certainly have interest in working on Shale Test regardless of where it
> is
> > (I have a nice little Spring integration class, for instance), but I
> don't
> > have the bandwidth to personally push the project forward.
> >
>
> I see. Thanks for taking the time to explain. Shale welcomes anyone that
> is
> willing to contribute to the project in the way of documentation or code
> contributions.
>
> Since the Shale project is not indirectly sponsored by a commercial entity,
> we don't necessary have another product driving the release.

That's fine, but I don't really see _anyone_ driving releases :-). What's
the problem with letting Shale Test move somewhere else?

> I'm certain
> that Shale would be more than willing to work with the Jboss group within
> the shale community.

The problem, though, is that Shale Test is part of a project that has
stagnated. So, even if Shale Test moves forward, it's difficult to get
traction if the whole project is perceived as stale. Do you see what I'm
saying?

>
>
>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > > Kito D. Mann -- Author, JavaServer Faces in Action
> > > > http://twitter.com/kito99
> > > > http://www.virtua.com - JSF/Java EE consulting, training, and
> mentoring
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> > >
> >
> >
> > --
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> > http://twitter.com/kito99
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From forum: Shale - Dev

Re: Shale Test

2008-09-29T07:51:26Z

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Kito Mann" <kito.mann@...>

> On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Gary VanMatre <gvanmatre@...>wrote:
>
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "Kito Mann" <kito.mann@...>
> > > Hello everyone,
> > >
> > > At JSFOne we were discussing Shale Test, and again the idea of moving it
> > out
> > > of Shale popped up. With so little activity in the Shale project, I'd
> > like
> > > to bring up the issue of migrating it to MyFaces proper, or out of
> > MyFaces
> > > all-together. Thoughts?
> >
> > Any contributions to the shale project are much appreciated. What do you
> > mean by "out of MyFaces all-together"? Kito, do you have interest in
> > supporting this library under the shale community?
>
>
> Well, there has been interest in supporting Shale Test inside of JSFUnit --
> that's what I meant by "out of MyFaces all-together". Basically, I think the
> community could use and updated and and active version of Shale Test, and
> the Shale community doesn't seem to have the bandwidth (or interest) in
> making that happen. Given the fact that a lot of MyFaces projects use it, I
> could see how MyFaces may be a better place for it, *if* people in that
> community have cycles for it. Otherwise, it may fare better somewhere else.
>
> I certainly have interest in working on Shale Test regardless of where it is
> (I have a nice little Spring integration class, for instance), but I don't
> have the bandwidth to personally push the project forward.
>

I see. Thanks for taking the time to explain. Shale welcomes anyone that is
willing to contribute to the project in the way of documentation or code
contributions.

Since the Shale project is not indirectly sponsored by a commercial entity,
we dont necessary have another product driving the release. Im certain
that Shale would be more than willing to work with the Jboss group within
the shale community.

> >
> >
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > > Kito D. Mann -- Author, JavaServer Faces in Action
> > > http://twitter.com/kito99
> > > http://www.virtua.com - JSF/Java EE consulting, training, and mentoring
> > > http://www.JSFCentral.com - JavaServer Faces FAQ, news, and info
> > > +1 203-404-4848 x3
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> >
> >
>
>
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From forum: Shale - Dev

Re: Shale Test

2008-09-28T20:06:35Z

On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 5:11 PM, Gary VanMatre <gvanmatre@...>wrote:

>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Kito Mann" <kito.mann@...>
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > At JSFOne we were discussing Shale Test, and again the idea of moving it
> out
> > of Shale popped up. With so little activity in the Shale project, I'd
> like
> > to bring up the issue of migrating it to MyFaces proper, or out of
> MyFaces
> > all-together. Thoughts?
>
> Any contributions to the shale project are much appreciated. What do you
> mean by "out of MyFaces all-together"? Kito, do you have interest in
> supporting this library under the shale community?

Well, there has been interest in supporting Shale Test inside of JSFUnit --
that's what I meant by "out of MyFaces all-together". Basically, I think the
community could use and updated and and active version of Shale Test, and
the Shale community doesn't seem to have the bandwidth (or interest) in
making that happen. Given the fact that a lot of MyFaces projects use it, I
could see how MyFaces may be a better place for it, *if* people in that
community have cycles for it. Otherwise, it may fare better somewhere else.

I certainly have interest in working on Shale Test regardless of where it is
(I have a nice little Spring integration class, for instance), but I don't
have the bandwidth to personally push the project forward.

>
>
>
> Gary
>
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > Kito D. Mann -- Author, JavaServer Faces in Action
> > http://twitter.com/kito99
> > http://www.virtua.com - JSF/Java EE consulting, training, and mentoring
> > http://www.JSFCentral.com - JavaServer Faces FAQ, news, and info
> > +1 203-404-4848 x3
> >
> > * Sign up for the JSF Central newsletter!
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>

From forum: Shale - Dev

Re: Shale Test

2008-09-25T14:11:34Z

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Kito Mann" <kito.mann@...>
> Hello everyone,
>
> At JSFOne we were discussing Shale Test, and again the idea of moving it out
> of Shale popped up. With so little activity in the Shale project, I'd like
> to bring up the issue of migrating it to MyFaces proper, or out of MyFaces
> all-together. Thoughts?

Any contributions to the shale project are much appreciated. What do you mean by "out of MyFaces all-together"? Kito, do you have interest in supporting this library under the shale community?

Gary

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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From forum: Shale - Dev

Re: Shale Test

2008-09-24T16:07:27Z

Greg Reddin wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Kito Mann <kito.mann@...> wrote:
>> Hello everyone,
>>
>> At JSFOne we were discussing Shale Test, and again the idea of moving it out
>> of Shale popped up. With so little activity in the Shale project, I'd like
>> to bring up the issue of migrating it to MyFaces proper, or out of MyFaces
>> all-together. Thoughts?
>
> First off, I should mention that Shale 1.0.5 is actually released.
> It's available on the mirrors. The only reason it hasn't been
> officially announced is that the website is in a state of disrepair.
> I'm sorry I abandoned it, but i simply ran out of bandwidth. I need to
> separate the 1.0.5 doc from the site itself so I can update the site
> and then announce the release. Ironically, I feel the 1.0.5 release
> could be GA quality if we could ever get that last little bit done.
>
> Once that's complete, there's not much to do towards getting a 1.1
> release out. So all that's to say that we are painfully close to
> actually having something good, but we're just short on available
> cycles.
>

This is good news :)

> Greg
>

Paul Spencer

From forum: Shale - Dev

Re: Shale Test

2008-09-24T13:53:19Z

On Wed, Sep 24, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Kito Mann <kito.mann@...> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> At JSFOne we were discussing Shale Test, and again the idea of moving it out
> of Shale popped up. With so little activity in the Shale project, I'd like
> to bring up the issue of migrating it to MyFaces proper, or out of MyFaces
> all-together. Thoughts?

First off, I should mention that Shale 1.0.5 is actually released.
It's available on the mirrors. The only reason it hasn't been
officially announced is that the website is in a state of disrepair.
I'm sorry I abandoned it, but i simply ran out of bandwidth. I need to
separate the 1.0.5 doc from the site itself so I can update the site
and then announce the release. Ironically, I feel the 1.0.5 release
could be GA quality if we could ever get that last little bit done.

Once that's complete, there's not much to do towards getting a 1.1
release out. So all that's to say that we are painfully close to
actually having something good, but we're just short on available
cycles.

Greg

From forum: Shale - Dev