Screencast and 'Free our Symbols'

[Jonathan Chetwynd]

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Screencast and 'Free our Symbols'

anyone know of a decent foss screencast application with audio for os x?

http://www.openicon.org now has a screencast please send me your comments.

The UK Government wants to hear your ideas for new products that could improve the way public information is communicated. 

You can read my entry 'Free our Symbols' here:

http://www.showusabetterway.co.uk/call/2008/07/write-it.html

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd

j.chetwynd@...
http://www.openicon.org/

[phone]

[Mats Lundälv]

Great job Jonathan!

 

I had some problems viewing your demo due to my poor and slow mobile connection. But as far as I could see your demo was nice and clear, but I suppose many visitors may need some additional short introduction to understand what you're aiming at.

 

About your overall approach: It is a bit unclear to me how you envisage that these features will be employed by the target users. From my experience many of the potential target users would (hopefully) be used to some kind of AAC to help them communicate - a familiar symbol vocabulary, organised in a special way. They will have invested substantial time and effort to master that vocabulary and the structure it is organised in. For these users it will be very essential to be able to apply those same AAC resources and skills also on your chat forum etc. - and not be faced with a totally new environment. How do you envisage this? The symbol resources you and potentially other people will offer within your framework could be a very interesting resource to explore and learn to use for these users, but they would typically want that as a complement to their existing AAC tools - not instead of. This is what we recently found - confirming our old experiences - in the NavigAbile project, where the option to re-map their existing personal AAC resoures reasonably well on the web was rated very high and even a necessary precondition for their motivation to participate.

 

Do you plan to supply speech support as well? We have found that very essential as well, in addition to the graphical symbol and text modalities.

Cheers,

Mats 

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Screencast and 'Free our Symbols'

anyone know of a decent foss screencast application with audio for os x?

http://www.openicon.org now has a screencast please send me your comments.

The UK Government wants to hear your ideas for new products that could improve the way public information is communicated. 

You can read my entry 'Free our Symbols' here:

http://www.showusabetterway.co.uk/call/2008/07/write-it.html

regards

    

    

Jonathan Chetwynd

    

j.chetwynd@...
http://www.openicon.org/

    

[phone]

    

[Jonathan Chetwynd]

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Mats,

excellent feedback, the reality is the project is 'proof of concept' to encourage and help understanding of the issues.

particularly amongst browser and specification developers.

Also to encourage Bliss and other symbol copyright holders to consider benefits of publishing

Taking it forward requires European partners, and there has already been significant interest.

perhaps you'd consider this?

in the short term it is possible that separate communities using limited sets of symbols will communicate independent of each other.

language is one very obvious barrier, symbols sets another.

perhaps using applications with parts that are held in common.

one of the objectives of the project is to test the benefits of grouping symbols in categories and providing a group symbol.

as our users are known to have difficulties generalising and transferring knowledge.

The methodology of the web makes the need for these topic symbols far more apparent, eg home

whereas a book never had such a thing as a 'home' iirc.

naturally I would very much welcome your support in respect of any aspect of development

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd

j.chetwynd@...
http://www.openicon.org/

[phone]

On 9 Jul 2008, at 23:53, Mats Lundälv wrote:

Great job Jonathan!

 

I had some problems viewing your demo due to my poor and slow mobile connection. But as far as I could see your demo was nice and clear, but I suppose many visitors may need some additional short introduction to understand what you're aiming at.

 

About your overall approach: It is a bit unclear to me how you envisage that these features will be employed by the target users. From my experience many of the potential target users would (hopefully) be used to some kind of AAC to help them communicate - a familiar symbol vocabulary, organised in a special way. They will have invested substantial time and effort to master that vocabulary and the structure it is organised in. For these users it will be very essential to be able to apply those same AAC resources and skills also on your chat forum etc. - and not be faced with a totally new environment. How do you envisage this? The symbol resources you and potentially other people will offer within your framework could be a very interesting resource to explore and learn to use for these users, but they would typically want that as a complement to their existing AAC tools - not instead of. This is what we recently found - confirming our old experiences - in the NavigAbile project, where the option to re-map their existing personal AAC resoures reasonably well on the web was rated very high and even a necessary precondition for their motivation to participate.

 

Do you plan to supply speech support as well? We have found that very essential as well, in addition to the graphical symbol and text modalities.

Cheers,

Mats 

-----<oats-sig-bounces@...> skrev: -----

Screencast and 'Free our Symbols'

anyone know of a decent foss screencast application with audio for os x?

http://www.openicon.org now has a screencast please send me your comments.

The UK Government wants to hear your ideas for new products that could improve the way public information is communicated. 

You can read my entry 'Free our Symbols' here:

http://www.showusabetterway.co.uk/call/2008/07/write-it.html

regards

    

    

Jonathan Chetwynd

    

j.chetwynd@...
http://www.openicon.org/

    

[phone]

    

[Steve Lee-3]

Jonathan, I can clearly see why you want the groups. what I don't
quite get is what you *do* with the items you find in the search.

I'm also interested in finding good OSS webcaste software, preferably
using open formats.

Steve

2008/7/10 Jonathan Chetwynd <j.chetwynd@...>:

> Mats,
> excellent feedback, the reality is the project is 'proof of concept' to
> encourage and help understanding of the issues.
> particularly amongst browser and specification developers.
> Also to encourage Bliss and other symbol copyright holders to consider
> benefits of publishing
> Taking it forward requires European partners, and there has already been
> significant interest.
> perhaps you'd consider this?
> in the short term it is possible that separate communities using limited
> sets of symbols will communicate independent of each other.
> language is one very obvious barrier, symbols sets another.
> perhaps using applications with parts that are held in common.
> one of the objectives of the project is to test the benefits of grouping
> symbols in categories and providing a group symbol.
> as our users are known to have difficulties generalising and transferring
> knowledge.
> The methodology of the web makes the need for these topic symbols far more
> apparent, eg home
> whereas a book never had such a thing as a 'home' iirc.
> naturally I would very much welcome your support in respect of any aspect of
> development
> regards
>
> Jonathan Chetwynd
>
> j.chetwynd@...
> http://www.openicon.org/
>
> [phone]
>
> On 9 Jul 2008, at 23:53, Mats Lundälv wrote:
>
> Great job Jonathan!
>
> I had some problems viewing your demo due to my poor and slow mobile
> connection. But as far as I could see your demo was nice and clear, but I
> suppose many visitors may need some additional short introduction to
> understand what you're aiming at.
>
> About your overall approach: It is a bit unclear to me how you envisage that
> these features will be employed by the target users. From my experience many
> of the potential target users would (hopefully) be used to some kind of AAC
> to help them communicate - a familiar symbol vocabulary, organised in a
> special way. They will have invested substantial time and effort to master
> that vocabulary and the structure it is organised in. For these users it
> will be very essential to be able to apply those same AAC resources and
> skills also on your chat forum etc. - and not be faced with a totally new
> environment. How do you envisage this? The symbol resources you and
> potentially other people will offer within your framework could be a very
> interesting resource to explore and learn to use for these users, but they
> would typically want that as a complement to their existing AAC tools - not
> instead of. This is what we recently found - confirming our old experiences
> - in the NavigAbile project, where the option to re-map their existing
> personal AAC resoures reasonably well on the web was rated very high and
> even a necessary precondition for their motivation to participate.
>
> Do you plan to supply speech support as well? We have found that very
> essential as well, in addition to the graphical symbol and text modalities.
> Cheers,
> Mats
>
> -----<oats-sig-bounces@...> skrev: -----
>
> Screencast and 'Free our Symbols'
> anyone know of a decent foss screencast application with audio for os x?
> http://www.openicon.org now has a screencast please send me your comments.
> The UK Government wants to hear your ideas for new products that could
> improve the way public information is communicated.
> You can read my entry 'Free our Symbols' here:
> http://www.showusabetterway.co.uk/call/2008/07/write-it.html
> regards
>
>
>
>
> Jonathan Chetwynd
>
>
>
> j.chetwynd@...
> http://www.openicon.org/
>
>
>
> [phone]
>
>
>
>
>

--
Steve Lee
Open Source Assistive Technology Software and Accessibility
fullmeasure.co.uk

[Jonathan Chetwynd]

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Steve,

excellent point!

The screencast is in alpha too. I had forgotten to include a demonstration that one can also click on every icon in the chat application.

So to your query, ultimately to author: 

web pages, Zanadu at the bottom of the homepage is my current visualisation of a graphic interactive space that anyone should be able to create, mostly feeds, be sure to try the chair, well go on try them all...

chat, for now it gives a context. so if your dont know the symbol 'melon' click on it and you find it's a fruit, similarly for other topics. This is a huge area, and many other respondents are concerned that many users will want smaller symbol domains.

oh and finally many users of openclipart have asked for a graphic means of searching.

So in this case you find the style you like, the topic, and then the individual icon. (or search by text)

you learn what else is available in the set.

style is a killer u.s.p. for a search tool, words just dont get there.

the author maintains the set and can update.

to use the icon, you don't use the code merely link to the icon like this:

<use xlink:href="http://www.openicon.org/icon-ark/mulberry/fruit.svgz#melon" x="0" y="0" width="150" height="150" />

aka clone.

best wishes

Jonathan Chetwynd

j.chetwynd@...
http://www.openicon.org/

[phone]

On 10 Jul 2008, at 11:08, Steve Lee wrote:

Jonathan, I can clearly see why you want the groups. what I don't
quite get is what you *do* with the items you find in the search.

I'm also interested in finding good OSS webcaste software, preferably
using open formats.

Steve

2008/7/10 Jonathan Chetwynd <j.chetwynd@...>:

Mats,

excellent feedback, the reality is the project is 'proof of concept' to

encourage and help understanding of the issues.

particularly amongst browser and specification developers.

Also to encourage Bliss and other symbol copyright holders to consider

benefits of publishing

Taking it forward requires European partners, and there has already been

significant interest.

perhaps you'd consider this?

in the short term it is possible that separate communities using limited

sets of symbols will communicate independent of each other.

language is one very obvious barrier, symbols sets another.

perhaps using applications with parts that are held in common.

one of the objectives of the project is to test the benefits of grouping

symbols in categories and providing a group symbol.

as our users are known to have difficulties generalising and transferring

knowledge.

The methodology of the web makes the need for these topic symbols far more

apparent, eg home

whereas a book never had such a thing as a 'home' iirc.

naturally I would very much welcome your support in respect of any aspect of

development

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd

j.chetwynd@...

http://www.openicon.org/

[phone]

On 9 Jul 2008, at 23:53, Mats Lundälv wrote:

Great job Jonathan!

I had some problems viewing your demo due to my poor and slow mobile

connection. But as far as I could see your demo was nice and clear, but I

suppose many visitors may need some additional short introduction to

understand what you're aiming at.

About your overall approach: It is a bit unclear to me how you envisage that

these features will be employed by the target users. From my experience many

of the potential target users would (hopefully) be used to some kind of AAC

to help them communicate - a familiar symbol vocabulary, organised in a

special way. They will have invested substantial time and effort to master

that vocabulary and the structure it is organised in. For these users it

will be very essential to be able to apply those same AAC resources and

skills also on your chat forum etc. - and not be faced with a totally new

environment. How do you envisage this? The symbol resources you and

potentially other people will offer within your framework could be a very

interesting resource to explore and learn to use for these users, but they

would typically want that as a complement to their existing AAC tools - not

instead of. This is what we recently found - confirming our old experiences

- in the NavigAbile project, where the option to re-map their existing

personal AAC resoures reasonably well on the web was rated very high and

even a necessary precondition for their motivation to participate.

Do you plan to supply speech support as well? We have found that very

essential as well, in addition to the graphical symbol and text modalities.

Cheers,

Mats

-----<oats-sig-bounces@...> skrev: -----

Screencast and 'Free our Symbols'

anyone know of a decent foss screencast application with audio for os x?

http://www.openicon.org now has a screencast please send me your comments.

The UK Government wants to hear your ideas for new products that could

improve the way public information is communicated.

You can read my entry 'Free our Symbols' here:

http://www.showusabetterway.co.uk/call/2008/07/write-it.html

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd

j.chetwynd@...

http://www.openicon.org/

[phone]

--
Steve Lee
Open Source Assistive Technology Software and Accessibility
fullmeasure.co.uk

[Mats Lundälv]

Thanks for the complementary context Jonathan!

Let's keep our eyes and ears open for how we can move forward in making our different initiatives merge and complement each other!

As you know I am very engaged in the concept coding approach as a way to bridge between different multi-modal AAC resources and languages. We may well find ways to join efforts in that or other contexts.

Cheers,
Mats 

-----<oats-sig-bounces@...> skrev: -----

Mats,

excellent feedback, the reality is the project is 'proof of concept' to encourage and help understanding of the issues.

particularly amongst browser and specification developers.

Also to encourage Bliss and other symbol copyright holders to consider benefits of publishing

Taking it forward requires European partners, and there has already been significant interest.

perhaps you'd consider this?

in the short term it is possible that separate communities using limited sets of symbols will communicate independent of each other.

language is one very obvious barrier, symbols sets another.

perhaps using applications with parts that are held in common.

one of the objectives of the project is to test the benefits of grouping symbols in categories and providing a group symbol.

as our users are known to have difficulties generalising and transferring knowledge.

The methodology of the web makes the need for these topic symbols far more apparent, eg home

whereas a book never had such a thing as a 'home' iirc.

naturally I would very much welcome your support in respect of any aspect of development

regards

Jonathan Chetwynd    

j.chetwynd@...
http://www.openicon.org/

    

[phone]

    

On 9 Jul 2008, at 23:53, Mats Lundälv wrote:

Great job Jonathan!

 

I had some problems viewing your demo due to my poor and slow mobile connection. But as far as I could see your demo was nice and clear, but I suppose many visitors may need some additional short introduction to understand what you're aiming at.

 

About your overall approach: It is a bit unclear to me how you envisage that these features will be employed by the target users. From my experience many of the potential target users would (hopefully) be used to some kind of AAC to help them communicate - a familiar symbol vocabulary, organised in a special way. They will have invested substantial time and effort to master that vocabulary and the structure it is organised in. For these users it will be very essential to be able to apply those same AAC resources and skills also on your chat forum etc. - and not be faced with a totally new environment. How do you envisage this? The symbol resources you and potentially other people will offer within your framework could be a very interesting resource to explore and learn to use for these users, but they would typically want that as a complement to their existing AAC tools - not instead of. This is what we recently found - confirming our old experiences - in the NavigAbile project, where the option to re-map their existing personal AAC resoures reasonably well on the web was rated very high and even a necessary precondition for their motivation to participate.

 

Do you plan to supply speech support as well? We have found that very essential as well, in addition to the graphical symbol and text modalities.

Cheers,

Mats 

-----<oats-sig-bounces@...> skrev: -----

Screencast and 'Free our Symbols'

anyone know of a decent foss screencast application with audio for os x?

http://www.openicon.org now has a screencast please send me your comments.

The UK Government wants to hear your ideas for new products that could improve the way public information is communicated. 

You can read my entry 'Free our Symbols' here:

http://www.showusabetterway.co.uk/call/2008/07/write-it.html

regards

    

    

Jonathan Chetwynd

    

j.chetwynd@...
http://www.openicon.org/

    

[phone]