Save POJO Application Server Definition

[Johnny Kewl]

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The most powerful application server on earth.
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Another confirmation that POJO Application Server is a major threat.

It seems some "anonymous" wiki members, are trying to eradicate the existence of the POJO Application Server.
Their neutrality is clearly questionable.

Please lodge your objections to the removal of the POJO Application Server
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POJO_Application_Server

It seems WikiPedia is not a neutral entity. Glassfish can be defined but an even more generic term like
POJO Application Server cannot be defined, something is clearly wrong.

If a generic term like 'Application Server' is allowed to exist, why not POJO Application Server?

It would be interesting if someone could give us the background of those lodging the objections.
This application server is a tool for Tomcat, and also happens to be more powerful than Glassfish.
It seems some people don't like that?

Its a sad day when large IT companies have to resort to removing indirect references to competitors products.
Seems to me that little IT companies with products are not allowed to exist.
Java is proclaimed as open source but the market belongs to just one.

Seems that some people will stop at nothing to hide the existence of Tomcat and Harbor.

To understand what is really happening... Harbor is more than an application server, it actually turns Tomcat into Java's first Operating System.
Harbor is a NVM, a Network Virtual Machine.
What makes this very dangerous to monopolies, is that it makes Java free.

On this application server, one can take a little Sun Java and add a little Harmony to it... thats what they trying to kill.
Tomcat is on its way to becoming the next Operating System... good for Java, bad for a monopoly.

Stop the bullies, put a link on your site, and add it to the wiki page.
Shame on Java...

[Leon Rosenberg-3]

Could it be just because you are reinventing the wheel?

Leon

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Johnny Kewl <john@...> wrote:

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>  HARBOR: http://coolharbor.100free.com/index.htm
>  The most powerful application server on earth.
>  The only real POJO Application Server.
>  Making the Java dream come true.
>  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  Another confirmation that POJO Application Server is a major threat.
>
>  It seems some "anonymous" wiki members, are trying to eradicate the existence of the POJO Application Server.
>  Their neutrality is clearly questionable.
>
>  Please lodge your objections to the removal of the POJO Application Server
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POJO_Application_Server
>
>  It seems WikiPedia is not a neutral entity. Glassfish can be defined but an even more generic term like
>  POJO Application Server cannot be defined, something is clearly wrong.
>
>  If a generic term like 'Application Server' is allowed to exist, why not POJO Application Server?
>
>  It would be interesting if someone could give us the background of those lodging the objections.
>  This application server is a tool for Tomcat, and also happens to be more powerful than Glassfish.
>  It seems some people don't like that?
>
>  Its a sad day when large IT companies have to resort to removing indirect references to competitors products.
>  Seems to me that little IT companies with products are not allowed to exist.
>  Java is proclaimed as open source but the market belongs to just one.
>
>  Seems that some people will stop at nothing to hide the existence of Tomcat and Harbor.
>
>  To understand what is really happening... Harbor is more than an application server, it actually turns Tomcat into Java's first Operating System.
>  Harbor is a NVM, a Network Virtual Machine.
>  What makes this very dangerous to monopolies, is that it makes Java free.
>
>  On this application server, one can take a little Sun Java and add a little Harmony to it... thats what they trying to kill.
>  Tomcat is on its way to becoming the next Operating System... good for Java, bad for a monopoly.
>
>  Stop the bullies, put a link on your site, and add it to the wiki page.
>  Shame on Java...

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[Johnny Kewl]

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Leon Rosenberg" <rosenberg.leon@...>
To: "Tomcat Users List" <users@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 12:29 PM
Subject: Re: Save POJO Application Server Definition


> Could it be just because you are reinventing the wheel?
>
> Leon

Yes, its a good analogy, first came the steam engine, and then later, the
ferarri.
Just a few examples, drop a JNI speech engine into this application server
and remote machines start talking.
Add a multimedia player to the server, and the clients all do flash.
One of the examples is a game, pac man.
What other application server does that?

And it also does the steam engine stuff, like biz logic, run a few little
beans, connect to a dB... the boring stuff. ;)
Glassfish wishes it could do what Tomcat now does easily.

Dont even have to build the application inside the server, just make a Swing
app that talks to say a dB and drop it in.
Most striking difference is that the apps run without the container as well,
so if its just you, run the accounting package as a normal java app, no
container needed.
Its different, thats for sure, and definitely a POJO Application Server.

The best thing is, company has a single server that they drop apps into...
thats it... then all the machines get a desktop, and can run those apps, and
nothing at all has to be installed on the remote machines. Tomcat becomes a
drop in Java operating system from one box... kind of neat hey ;)
Installing 500 apps on 500 machines, is as easy as setting up Tomcat on one
server, then you done.

Its in another class ;) Cant have a ferrari with no name, its just not right
;)

>>  Another confirmation that POJO Application Server is a major threat.
>>
>>  It seems some "anonymous" wiki members, are trying to eradicate the
>> existence of the POJO Application Server.
>>  Their neutrality is clearly questionable.
>>
>>  Please lodge your objections to the removal of the POJO Application
>> Server
>>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/POJO_Application_Server


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[David Fisher]

We know you think your stuff is so kewl, but would you please stop  
leading all your email with an evangelical tag line.

That would be so cool of you.

Thanks,

Regards,
Dave

On May 13, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Johnny Kewl wrote:

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> The most powerful application server on earth.
> The only real POJO Application Server.
> Making the Java dream come true.
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[Johnny Kewl]

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----- Original Message -----
From: "David Fisher" <dfisher@...>
To: "Tomcat Users List" <users@...>
Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: Save POJO Application Server Definition


> We know you think your stuff is so kewl, but would you please stop
> leading all your email with an evangelical tag line.
>
> That would be so cool of you.

You right its corny...
Probably should be

Making the Java dream come true... for some ;)

It used to be...

Making the Java dream come true.
Making Gates number 2

but I thought it could be a bit rough taking on Microsoft and "others" at
the same time ;)

I like it at the top though... but I think I'll lose some of the enthusiasm
;)

> Thanks,
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> On May 13, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Johnny Kewl wrote:
>
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>> HARBOR: http://coolharbor.100free.com/index.htm
>> The most powerful application server on earth.
>> The only real POJO Application Server.
>> Making the Java dream come true.
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[Stephen Souness]

I'm with you David, I don't visit these groups to see spam thinly
disguised as Tomcat-related messages.


--
Stephen Souness



David Fisher wrote:

> We know you think your stuff is so kewl, but would you please stop
> leading all your email with an evangelical tag line.
>
> That would be so cool of you.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> On May 13, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Johnny Kewl wrote:
>

<snipped>
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[Lyallex]

Jeez, give the guy a break, if you don't want to read his posts then
don't read them. His name appears next to them, it's easy to ignore if
you want to.

I don't know 'Johnny' personally and I agree he can be a bit ebulliant
but do we really all want to descend into greyness.

Lyallex

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:35 AM, Stephen Souness <sounie@...> wrote:

> I'm with you David, I don't visit these groups to see spam thinly disguised
> as Tomcat-related messages.
>
>
> --
> Stephen Souness
>
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> David Fisher wrote:
>>
>> We know you think your stuff is so kewl, but would you please stop leading
>> all your email with an evangelical tag line.
>>
>> That would be so cool of you.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>> On May 13, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Johnny Kewl wrote:
>>
> <snipped>
>>>
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[Johnny Kewl]

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Lyallex" <lyallex@...>
To: "Tomcat Users List" <users@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 9:23 AM
Subject: Re: Save POJO Application Server Definition


> Jeez, give the guy a break, if you don't want to read his posts then
> don't read them. His name appears next to them, it's easy to ignore if
> you want to.
>
> I don't know 'Johnny' personally and I agree he can be a bit ebulliant
> but do we really all want to descend into greyness.
>
> Lyallex

I did use the Tomcat group for leverage, I suppose that is wrong.
I love TC, in fact I'd go as far as saying that if TC did not exist, neither
would Java.
TC as a product really isnt given its fair due, if you look at other "tools"
out there, notice how TC is used, its there, but its always buried in the
product somewhere, a user has to open the source code to realize, its really
all based on TC.
We're a business with a small IT support dept, and what upset me, was that
even when a "customer" makes a tool for TC, it gets buried.

When Harbor first started more than a year ago now, the idea actually
started here in the TC group.
 If you go back, you'll see I was the one who said, hold on, I'll make
another mailing list.
I'm not new here, we just been burning midnight oil for the last year on
what we think is a very cool tool for TC.

Other than this post, the only thing we do is announce new releases of
Harbor here.
I think Harbor is good for TC, and the tool advertises TC. That will upset
those that have a "buried" TC in their products.

But thanks for the support and I dont want to turn this into a nasty
thing... they are right, I used the TC group wrongly...


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[David Kerber]

Lyallex wrote:
> Jeez, give the guy a break, if you don't want to read his posts then
> don't read them. His name appears next to them, it's easy to ignore if
> you want to.
>
> I don't know 'Johnny' personally and I agree he can be a bit ebulliant
>  
I don't mind ebullient as long as he knows what he's talking about, and
Johnny certainly does; he's been a big help to me from time to time.

I also have no problem with a two or three line tagline in a message
like the one he uses for Harbor, but think it would be better if it were
placed at the bottom of the message so it's not so intrusive.

JMHO, but the TC mailing list supervisors have the final say, of course...

D




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[Johnny Kewl]

----- Original Message -----
From: "David kerber" <dckerber@...>
To: "Tomcat Users List" <users@...>
Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 2:59 PM
Subject: Re: Save POJO Application Server Definition

> Lyallex wrote:
>> Jeez, give the guy a break, if you don't want to read his posts then
>> don't read them. His name appears next to them, it's easy to ignore if
>> you want to.
>>
>> I don't know 'Johnny' personally and I agree he can be a bit ebulliant
>>
> I don't mind ebullient as long as he knows what he's talking about, and
> Johnny certainly does; he's been a big help to me from time to time.
> I also have no problem with a two or three line tagline in a message like
> the one he uses for Harbor, but think it would be better if it were placed
> at the bottom of the message so it's not so intrusive.
>
> JMHO, but the TC mailing list supervisors have the final say, of course...
>

OK... by unanimous vote
Its at the bottom ;)
This mailing list is also a democracy ;)

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[David Fisher]

>>
>> Jeez, give the guy a break, if you don't want to read his posts then
>> don't read them. His name appears next to them, it's easy to ignore  
>> if
>> you want to.
>>
>> I don't know 'Johnny' personally and I agree he can be a bit  
>> ebulliant
>>
> I don't mind ebullient as long as he knows what he's talking about,  
> and Johnny certainly does; he's been a big help to me from time to  
> time.
> I also have no problem with a two or three line tagline in a message  
> like the one he uses for Harbor, but think it would be better if it  
> were placed at the bottom of the message so it's not so intrusive.

I find Johnny's emails interesting and helpful as well.

All that I was asking for was for him to put his taglines (however  
many he wants) at the end - like everyone else - sorry if I was too  
sarcastic. Peace.

Regards,
Dave

>
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> JMHO, but the TC mailing list supervisors have the final say, of  
> course...
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[Lyallex]

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 2:10 PM, David Fisher <dfisher@...> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jeez, give the guy a break,

snip

> I find Johnny's emails interesting and helpful as well.
>
> All that I was asking for was for him to put his taglines (however many he
> wants) at the end - like everyone else - sorry if I was too sarcastic.

Tag line looks good at the bottom Johnny

Lyallex

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[Christopher Schultz-2]

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Lyallex wrote:
| Jeez, give the guy a break

Agreed. In spite of his silly name, long-winded posts and mildly
irritating self-promotion of his POJO app server, Johnny is an active
member of this list. He helps members of this community when he can, and
does not spam the list. He merely includes a reference to his POJO app
server in every post.

Many of you folks include corporate signatures or your own personal sig
containing links to your web sites or whatever. It's pretty much the same.

Johnny: consider putting your self-promotions at the bottom of your
messages instead of the top and I think you'll find that nobody will
really mind that. The occasional announcement of a major relase of your
app server (which is Tomcat-based, right?) is fine, but this should
certainly not be considered pojo-app-server-announce.

- -chris

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