tag:www.nabble.com,2006:forum-2887Nabble - RoseGarden2008-10-11T19:29:43ZRosegarden is a professional audio and MIDI sequencer, score editor, and general-purpose music composition and editing environment.. Rosegarden home is <a href="http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">here</a>.tag:www.nabble.com,2006:post-19938212Re: direction of rosegarden4?2008-10-11T19:29:43Z2008-10-11T19:29:43ZD. Michael McIntyre-3On Saturday 11 October 2008, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
<br>> Well, the main thing I'd likely be interested in is integration with
<br>> KDE's color scheme. (I'd also like to see Qt pick up more of it, but
<br>> that seems unlikely, at least in the short term.)
<br><br>This is one I don't really know much about in practice, but part of the theory
<br>behind Qt4 was that it was supposed to pick up more of the look and feel of
<br>wherever it was, and do a better job of blending than Qt3 did.
<br><br>Back when I hung out on Ubuntu Studio Users, there was a large and vocal
<br>faction that really seemed eager to see a pure Qt4 Rosegarden, because it
<br>would blend in more seamlessly with their favorite desktop.
<br><br>As far as that goes, I've had a pet idea for a long time to follow the
<br>Hydrogen model, and just define our own look and feel. They exercise a high
<br>degree of control over their own colors, buttons, and pretty well everything
<br>except the main window decorations, and they don't have to worry about
<br>lookind different here there or anywhere. That kind of idea could work if we
<br>came up with a universally acceptable look, and all of this runs directly
<br>counter to your wanting to make an effort to pull our colors from KDE4 if
<br>it's running.
<br><br>Pulling our colors from KDE seems to be the current state of affairs, and I've
<br>seen this as a mixed bag over the years. I take more screenshots than
<br>anybody, and having the look of my Rosegarden vary with my mood on a given
<br>day does pose minor but irritating problems for me that probably wouldn't
<br>affect ordinary users. Just because I'm not an ordinary user though, I still
<br>vote in favor of making my own job as easy as possible. :)
<br><br>Another issue is with our black icons. We have a lot of black icons, and
<br>they're invisible against black backgrounds. Users can pick black
<br>backgrounds, and make our icons invisible. We've never been able to come up
<br>with a decent solution for that in terms of tweaking the icon set, and
<br>controlling everything about our own presentation could definitely be a
<br>solution.
<br><br>> But there are other
<br>> possibilities; imagine opening a document with a few staves of music and
<br>> clicking on it, and up pops RG!
<br><br>Can you explain this in more detail? I don't follow.
<br><br>> There's also little things, like getting Oxygen (or whatever theme is in
<br>> use) icons cheaply, KDE standard actions, etc.
<br><br>One complication to think about in all of that is that if we're even primarily
<br>a Qt application, we have to do all of that sort of thing one way, and if
<br>we're a KDE application, we have to do it another, different way. One of the
<br>advantages Chris and others are advocating for this switch is that we get to
<br>bundle all of our resources in one place, and we no longer have to deal with
<br>issues like SuSE installs our help in some stupid place for a mysterious
<br>reason, and so forth.
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<br><br>I'm so sorry. I do wish you the best--and a speedy recovery.
<br><br>Sincerely,
<br>Julie S.
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<br>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 14:58:16 -0400
<br>> "D. Michael McIntyre" <<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19937708&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">rosegarden.trumpeter@...</a>> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> > I had an emergency surgery this morning to treat a life-threatening infection
<br>> > in my lower back.
<br>>
<br>> Ouch. All I can really say is "Get well soon"...
<br><br><br>Ouch! All I can say is "Ouch!"
<br><br>But I too vote that it will heal quickly.
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<br>"D. Michael McIntyre" <<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19937638&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">rosegarden.trumpeter@...</a>> wrote:
<br><br>> I had an emergency surgery this morning to treat a life-threatening infection
<br>> in my lower back.
<br><br>Ouch. All I can really say is "Get well soon"...
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<br>"D. Michael McIntyre" <<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19937010&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">rosegarden.trumpeter@...</a>> wrote:
<br><br>> I had an emergency surgery this morning to treat a life-threatening infection
<br>> in my lower back.
<br>>
<br>> I'm going to be in and out for awhile, and have no idea when I'll be back up
<br>> to speed. For now, the pain pills are FINALLY working, and I'm going to go
<br>> lay around and be stoned the rest of the day.
<br><br>Ouch!
<br><br>Hope it all settles down soon.
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<br><br>> I had an emergency surgery this morning to treat a life-threatening
<br>> infection in my lower back.
<br><br>Shit! Take care and make sure that you will be fine again. I hope that
<br>you'll be well again as easy as possible.
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<br><br>> I had an emergency surgery this morning to treat a life-threatening
<br>> infection in my lower back.
<br><br>Shit! Take care and make sure that you will be fine again. I hope that
<br>you'll be well again as easy as possible.
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<br><br>> I had an emergency surgery this morning to treat a life-threatening
<br>> infection
<br>> in my lower back.
<br><br><br>Sorry to hear that. Hope you'll get better soon.
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<br><br>> I had an emergency surgery this morning to treat a life-threatening
<br>> infection
<br>> in my lower back.
<br><br><br>Sorry to hear that. Hope you'll get better soon.
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<br>in my lower back.
<br><br>I'm going to be in and out for awhile, and have no idea when I'll be back up
<br>to speed. For now, the pain pills are FINALLY working, and I'm going to go
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<br>in my lower back.
<br><br>I'm going to be in and out for awhile, and have no idea when I'll be back up
<br>to speed. For now, the pain pills are FINALLY working, and I'm going to go
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<br>> Or better spam filters? ;-) (But I guess SF wouldn't provide that
<br><br>They do. We have no control over them. They seem to work rather well on
<br>balance though. The only issue here is that it's easy for the rare
<br>exceptions like yours to get lost in the noise. There's so much garbage
<br>every day that it's frankly hard not to get in the habit of scanning rapidly
<br>and hitting the dump button.
<br><br>> sufficient. Is "[complicated breadcrumb trail]" really that complicated?
<br><br>Probably not to Chris et al., but to me, yes. If you hear me whining about
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<br>code-related is hard for me.
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<br>something like.<br>setCurrentActionParent( this );<br>createAction( "save" );<br>... etc.<br><br><br><br></div>
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<span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">createAction( "file_save", SLOT(slotFileSave()) );</span><br>to use<br> <span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">createAction( "file_save", "slotFileSave()" );</span><br>
<br><br>and in create Action:<br><br><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">QAction * RosegardenGUIApp::createAction(QString actionName, QString connection)</span><br style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">
<span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">{</span><br style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"> QAction *action = new QAction(this);</span><br style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">
<span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"> action->setObjectName(actionName);</span><br style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;"> connect( action, SIGNAL(triggered()), this, SLOT(connection) );</span><br style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">
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<br>> movl (votes),%eax
<br>> incl %eax
<br><br>Ah, memories. That takes me back to the Creative Labs Game Blaster, and
<br>trying to use their SDK to write a voice editor to try to create voices for
<br>it that would sound less cheesy.
<br><br>My approach to everything was embarrassingly naïve, and it never worked, but
<br>that was, what... It was 1988.
<br><br>20 years of me doing computer music on the PC platform as of this year. I
<br>never realized it was my 20th anniversary. Interesting.
<br><br>I go back longer than that. I first did computer music on the TRS-80 Color
<br>Computer.
<br><br>Computer music for the amateur home musician sure has gotten a lot better in
<br>the last 25 years!
<br><br>I understand the C64 used to be able to do a better job than the CoCo anyway,
<br>but my perspective comes from what I had to work with. The PC was a real
<br>step backwards at first, with nothing but its crappy beep maker.
<br><br>Ah, memories.
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<br>>
<br>> The main idea is to have a widget to control plugin parameters
<br>> automatically, drawing a line in an associated track, something like the
<br>> timer rule. 'Cause I want to control not only the tempo, but things like
<br>> an oscillator frequency, filter cut frequencies, etc
<br>>
<br>>....
<br><br>> I'd be glad if someone had more insights about it. I really like this
<br>> software and may help on the Qt4 porting, but first I want to get used
<br>> to the source code and implementing this idea might be a good way.
<br>>
<br><br>It might be a good idea, to wait with this,
<br>until we have the base of Qt4 working.
<br><br><br>My idea is to
<br>- first implement the possibility to modify audio-volume with midi-controllers
<br>- then think about how the controller data would be best stored
<br>- finally create a controll-bar. I think, we could use the same bar (place),
<br> that's being used for velocity values (?)
<br> For example, one could specify to have a ruler for
<br> controller nr. 019 and draw the values then.
<br><br>How would the plugins be controlled with the controller values ?
<br>Are they using midi or osc ?
<br>That might require a midi to osc mapping.
<br><br><br>A similar request was submited at rg-user list some weeks ago:
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>>> 2008/10/10 Ketil Thorgersen <<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19932096&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">linuxaudio@...</a>>:
<br>>>>> If there is such a prize as a
<br>>>>> Nobel prize for most amazing support fellow on the
<br>>>> internet, I will
<br>>>>> definetely nominate you!!
<br>>>>>
<br>>>> votes += 1;
<br>>>> // :-)
<br>>>>
<br>>> vote++
<br>>> // :)
<br>>
<br>> LET VOTE = VOTE + 1
<br>>
</div><br>movl (votes),%eax
<br>incl %eax
<br><br>:)
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<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 5:28 AM, Matthew Woehlke wrote:
<br>>> No, I realize that subscribers are not moderated. However, I posted
<br>>> something before I was subscribed (~4 days ago, maybe more) that
<br>>> generated a 'waiting moderation' message. It still hasn't shown up.
<br>>
<br>> I have just gone back to check the historical moderation queue
<br>> notification messages, and there was indeed a message from you on
<br>> September 24th (subject line "Re: KLed"). It was surrounded by 61
<br>> spam messages, and in all probability the entire queue of 62 messages
<br>> was briefly scanned and dropped en masse (possibly by me, possibly by
<br>> Michael) because we didn't notice that one of the 62 was not spam.
<br>>
<br>> Apologies. Perhaps we should seriously consider configuring it to
<br>> simply reject posts from non-subscribers rather than moderating them?
<br>> At least that would avoid this particular source of confusion.
</div><br>Or better spam filters? ;-) (But I guess SF wouldn't provide that, and
<br>since I've never admin'd an SF list, I wouldn't know what sort of stuff
<br>you can throw at the 'awaiting moderation' list.)
<br><br>> (What did the message say? For what it's worth, KLed is just about
<br>> the only class that we _are_ currently using the KDE4 version of in
<br>> our Qt4 port -- although if it remained the only one, we'd probably
<br>> pull it into the source instead, like it used to be.)
<br><br>That I can help with:
<br><br>D. Michael McIntyre wrote:
<br>> KPixmapEffect is gone, and you're supposed to use [complicated breadcrumb
<br>> trail] to create the same kind of functionality.
<br><br>I see you figured this out already. Chris, I think you could add
<br>yourself to the copyrights if you care and it's really missing. If you
<br>need me to do it, can you point me at your changes in RG's svn (so I'm
<br>not just taking your word that you changed something)?
<br><br>The answer to kdefx is QImageBlitz, if the new stuff in QPainter isn't
<br>sufficient. Is "[complicated breadcrumb trail]" really that complicated?
<br>I thought this was mentioned in kde4porting... (As the dev that gave
<br>kdefx the axe, I'd like to fix porting if it's that inobvious.)
<br><br>(note: you'll probably want to read
<br><a href="http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.devel/5156" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.audio.rosegarden.devel/5156</a> for
<br>the context re. the copyright remarks.)
<br><br>So, upshot, if you're still running into problems re. kdefx (i.e.
<br>KPixmapEffect and friends), I can probably help out if you point me in
<br>the right direction.
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<br>while to read through them.)
<br><br>Emanuel Rumpf wrote:
<br>> 2008/10/9 Matthew Woehlke <<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19929570&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">mw_triad@...</a>>:
<br>>> My problem with moving away from KDE is that a: it means I can't work on
<br>>> KDE integration (which is what I probably would have been most
<br>>> interested in),
<br>>>
<br>> Could you describe a little, what desktop integration means
<br>> to you (or KDE), please?! I'm not clear about it.
<br><br>Well, the main thing I'd likely be interested in is integration with
<br>KDE's color scheme. (I'd also like to see Qt pick up more of it, but
<br>that seems unlikely, at least in the short term.) But there are other
<br>possibilities; imagine opening a document with a few staves of music and
<br>clicking on it, and up pops RG! (I think KOffice already has something
<br>for music editing, but I think it's young, and therefore not likely to
<br>be as featureful.)
<br><br>There's also little things, like getting Oxygen (or whatever theme is in
<br>use) icons cheaply, KDE standard actions, etc.
<br><br>And, honestly, there's an extent to which I can't answer that. Maybe, in
<br>the end I'll decide I don't care, but knowing that people aren't
<br>dead-set against it helps a lot :-).
<br><br>> Is being a KDE app the only way to integrate it into the KDE desktop ?
<br><br>Technically, you can /always/ implement the same functionality yourself,
<br>it's just a lot more work.
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<br>"D. Michael McIntyre" <<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19928701&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">rosegarden.trumpeter@...</a>> wrote:
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> On Friday 10 October 2008, Shelagh Manton wrote:
<br>>
<br>> > I noticed today that the on-line help pages are not the latest ones.
<br>> > <a href="http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/doc/en/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/doc/en/</a><br>> > Is this intentional or should they be updated to the latest version?
<br>> > If so maybe you could show me how to do it?
<br>>
<br>> I'm not sure how Chris has been doing it, but I don't see a doc/
<br>> directory in the "website" module, so I hazard he's been keeping it
<br>> in sync by hand.
<br>>
<br>> Had a bit of a play, and I don't have any clever ideas. Let's wait
<br>> on Chris.
</div>OK
<br><br>SOM
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<br><br>> I noticed today that the on-line help pages are not the latest ones.
<br>> <a href="http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/doc/en/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/doc/en/</a><br>> Is this intentional or should they be updated to the latest version?
<br>> If so maybe you could show me how to do it?
<br><br>I'm not sure how Chris has been doing it, but I don't see a doc/ directory in
<br>the "website" module, so I hazard he's been keeping it in sync by hand.
<br><br>Had a bit of a play, and I don't have any clever ideas. Let's wait on Chris.
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<br><br>> However, I notice that qjackctl (jack audio connection kit GUI) reports
<br>> a 46.4ms latency, which I believe is causing an audible time skew
<br>> between the metronome and the recorded audio.
<br><br>I'm hoping Chris will step up to field this one, because he knows much more
<br>about this issue than I do. We were just talking about latency compensation,
<br>and how Rosegarden doesn't actually have any, because what we used to have
<br>was broken.
<br><br>I can't find the post for some reason though, which is really odd.
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<br>pretty well speechless.
<br><br>Thanks everybody! This really made my day.
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<br><a href="http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/doc/en/" target="_top" rel="nofollow">http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/doc/en/</a>
<br>Is this intentional or should they be updated to the latest version?
<br>If so maybe you could show me how to do it?
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<br>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 11:27 AM, Emanuel Rumpf <<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19926996&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">xbran23@...</a>> wrote:
<br>> > What would you prefere to do with KDialogBase ?
<br>>
<br>> Yves has been handling these, I believe by using QDialog and
<br>> QDialogButtonBox directly.
<br><br>I only manually finished what Michael started in convert.pl script.
<br>Perhaps some better solution exists, but this one works : I tested some of the
<br>ported dialogs by inserting them in a framework got from Qt4 examples.
<br><br>> So I'd say we should continue with QDialog/QDialogButtonBase for now,
<br>> but do coordinate with Yves whatever you do. Yves, what are your
<br>> thoughts?
<br><br>Most of the kDialogBase have already been replaced with
<br>QDialog/QDialogButtonBase. About five are still remaining and I don't see any
<br>good reason to use another porting way now.
<br><br>I have now finished to fix the QGroupBox and I'm going to continue porting the
<br>QGridLayout, which should be straightforward and, therefore, only need a
<br>short time. After that I shall port the remaining kDialogBase.
<br><br>Nevertheless, Emmanuel, if you don't find anything else to fix, don't hesitate
<br>to jump on the kDialogBase. Sooner or later they have to be ported.
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<br><br>> The main idea is to have a widget to control plugin parameters
<br>> automatically, drawing a line in an associated track, something like the
<br>> timer rule. 'Cause I want to control not only the tempo, but things like
<br>> an oscillator frequency, filter cut frequencies, etc
<br><br>This sounds seriously cool, though I can't be much of any real help with
<br>getting it done.
<br><br>I don't know how the mechanics would be different internally, but if you could
<br>do this on a ruler, I'll bet you could also rewire things to make it possible
<br>to use this mechanism to manipulate our native audio controls too. We only
<br>have a few audio controls, and just being able to manipulate volume and pan
<br>would probably be sufficient. It's currently impossible to do anything as
<br>simple as an automatic fade-out in a mixed composition that uses both MIDI
<br>and audio instruments, because the audio volume controls have to be
<br>manipulated by hand in real time. Having the ability to pan mono audio
<br>tracks around in real time automatically would have interesting possibilities
<br>too. Perhaps we could get to the same destination using LADSPA plugins on
<br>these rulers, but a ruler to manipulate the native, internal audio
<br>controllers we already have seems like the most intuitive approach from a
<br>user perspective. Having to set up plugins for this would be kind of hacky,
<br>but if that's the only way to get there, our philosophy around here for the
<br>last couple of years has been to settle for hacky solutions as better than
<br>something being utterly impossible.
<br><br>If you're of a mind to tinker with the rulers, there are all kinds of other
<br>things you could do too. They work, but they're clunky. Somebody was
<br>supposed to be looking at some tweaks, but I don't think anything ever came
<br>out of that. We could start on that just by having a good discussion about
<br>why the current rulers need help, and the best plan to get there.
<br><br>And somebody really should fix our oldest bug, which has been assigned to
<br>Chris for five years almost to the day.
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<br>about how to implement it, neither if there are some parts of it
<br>implemented at all (I couldn't find anything like it as of Rosegarden
<br>1.6.1 - in ubuntu studio).
<br><br>The main idea is to have a widget to control plugin parameters
<br>automatically, drawing a line in an associated track, something like the
<br>timer rule. 'Cause I want to control not only the tempo, but things like
<br>an oscillator frequency, filter cut frequencies, etc
<br>*
<br>***Some things I've been thinking about implementation: create a new
<br>Ruler Widget, maybe derived from TimerRuler, that can be embedded into a
<br>track. This widget would be linked to any LADSPA or DSSI plugin within
<br>this track, and, maybe trough a controller class, change the desired
<br>parameter based on the y-value of the drawn line.
<br>This feature is present in proprietary programs like logic and cubase,
<br>as far as I know, and I really miss it since I moved to RG*.***
<br><br>I'd be glad if someone had more insights about it. I really like this
<br>software and may help on the Qt4 porting, but first I want to get used
<br>to the source code and implementing this idea might be a good way.
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<br>> Depending on KDE4 is not a proposition that just "sells itself". None
<br>> of the regulars here as far as I know actually uses KDE4.
<br><br>True, though I most likely will eventually.
<br><br>> OK, that's
<br>> not true -- Vlada does at least, and he's kind of almost regular here
<br>> -- but certainly none of the regulars here has yet demanded that we go
<br>> all out to improve integration with it.
<br><br>All-out integration, no. The only thing really quirky things about
<br>integration of the 1.x line are all on the Help menu as far as I've ever
<br>noticed. We've had trouble getting our help found on different systems, and
<br>the report bug thing was never really designed for a KDE project that didn't
<br>intend to move under the KDE umbrella eventually, and didn't work very well
<br>for us. A lot of that stuff, like the KAboutData, I don't really mind
<br>dispensing with anyway, because maintaining three different copies of all
<br>that stuff was a big pain in the ass anyway.
<br><br>(Which reminds me that I need to gut the AUTHORS file, which is totally out of
<br>date, and come up with a new way to approach all of that unmaintainable mess.
<br>Probably through the wiki. Must do before the big 200. I'm starting the
<br>release note (very prematurely, admittedly) for 2.0.0, and spelling it out
<br>2.0.0 every time to try to avoid confusion with X11 Rosegarden's versioning.
<br>I'm starting to like the idea of just calling it version 200 with no dots, to
<br>make damn sure there is never any confusion. 200, 210, 213, whatever, it
<br>isn't really any more radical than Ubuntu's bizarrely unconventional
<br>numbering scheme, and it strikes me as one very solid way to avoid the whole
<br>issue we used to approach by appending that stupid -4 to our name. Just a
<br>random thought at this point though. Opinions?)
<br><br>Arguing for KDE vs. Qt though, I'd be surprised if you hadn't noticed what a
<br>personal crisis this has been for me. I'm resigned to a pure Qt4 Rosegarden,
<br>but I've never advocated it except when trying to tow the party line. This
<br>was so big it took me months to put my game face on and suck it up, and I am
<br>even now not 100% convinced I will be able to tolerate this brave new
<br>Rosegarden. It's something I have to live with, because the tide toward Qt4
<br>is so clear, and because you're pulling it that way, Chris, and everyone is
<br>right behind you.
<br><br>I know you're not a man to argue strongly about much of anything, Chris, but
<br>the plain fact is that you're the administrator in charge of supervising
<br>development, and I'm the administrator in charge of damn well everything else
<br>by now, as I've kept expanding to fill the vacuum. If you had to take over
<br>everything I do, our rate of progress would grind to a halt, and the reverse
<br>might even be more true, because it's almost staggering when I consider the
<br>programming jobs I've actually managed to accomplish in spite of my abysmal
<br>ignorance and inexperience. Your opinion on development matters carries a
<br>great deal of weight, and I'm going to vote with you most of the time by
<br>default. I'm your adviser on these matters, and I supervise development in
<br>kind of a middle manager way during your many long absences, but you're the
<br>man who is ultimately responsible for getting that job done, and if you're
<br>even just more fond of the Qt4 approach without being strongly behind it,
<br>then it wins. Besides, you were behind this more strongly than you think if
<br>you didn't see how the mere thought that we would do anything but port to
<br>KDE4 turned my world completely upside down. I probably even cried.
<br><br>On the other hand, it's very fair to say Guillaume was always the KDE guy, and
<br>you've always known more about Qt. Even Guillaume wasn't going to aim at
<br>KDE4 for that matter. There's just no way I can argue for trying to get
<br>someone to do something they're not very well-equipped to do, and no way I
<br>can do it myself, so I've been trying to tow the line and let it all go, and
<br>have largely succeeded.
<br><br>It's not really as much of an issue now as it was when we began, or actually
<br>before we began, because I've seen so many things in the KDE porting guide
<br>that just say "use QWhatever." Plus I'm still waiting for KDE to become
<br>inhabitable, and I'm not terribly impressed yet. I know it's a hard job for
<br>those guys, and I'm not doing a damn thing to help them, so I'm trying to
<br>just stay out of it and be quiet and hope for the best. 4.1 is enough of an
<br>improvement over 4.0 that I don't think my hope is totally unfounded.
<br><br>It all comes down to the sum total of a lot of things that might be acceptable
<br>alone, but taken together, it's just not time to move in yet. I have nothing
<br>to gain by being an early adopter.
<br><br>If this KDE guy is interested in a review, I could go have a look at whatever
<br>update I downloaded a few days ago, but I really don't want to rip anybody's
<br>guts out when I'm not doing a damn thing to contribute to a solution.
<br><br>Also, a final thought tacked on here at the bottom. I've never consulted
<br>kde-devel because they don't know how to do anything with our internals.
<br>Rosegarden isn't a generic application, but a highly specialized and complex
<br>one that solves a number of insanely difficult problems that require all
<br>kinds of knowledge about all kinds of arcane subjects. I work with a lot of
<br>black boxes, and try to put them together in new or better ways. My KDE or
<br>Qt ignorance doesn't hold me back nearly so much as my STL ignorance. Most
<br>of the code I'm personally responsible for is already compiling in the port
<br>too, for that matter. In fact, I think all of it is, even if some bits of it
<br>are trapped inside other things that are suffering from breakage that's not
<br>within my area.
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<br><br><br>fre 2008-10-10 klockan 06:52 -0700 skrev Kevin Cosgrove:
<div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> I'll 2nd that.
<br>>
<br>> On 10 October 2008 at 8:34, Ketil Thorgersen <<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19929669&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">linuxaudio@...</a>> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> > (scuse the top posting)
<br>> >
<br>> > I read this list every day and must say that I am more than amazed that
<br>> > anyone can be so friendly and at the same time so cunning day in and day
<br>> > out. Always there to solve other people's problems. You ARE this
<br>> > community and you should be rewarded. If there is such a prize as a
<br>> > Nobel prize for most amazing support fellow on the internet, I will
<br>> > definetely nominate you!!
<br>> >
<br>> > Have a happy weekend!
<br>> >
<br>> > Ketil
<br>>
<br>> --
<br>> Kevin
<br>>
<br>>
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<br>Julie S <<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19921651&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">msjulie_s@...</a>> wrote:
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>>
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> --- On Fri, 10/10/08, Emanuel Rumpf <<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19921651&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">xbran@...</a>> wrote:
<br>>
<br>> > From: Emanuel Rumpf <<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19921651&i=2" target="_top" rel="nofollow">xbran@...</a>>
<br>> > Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] Some Nobel price for D. Michael McIntyre?
<br>> > To: <a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19921651&i=3" target="_top" rel="nofollow">rosegarden-user@...</a>
<br>> > Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 5:29 AM
<br>> > 2008/10/10 Ketil Thorgersen <<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19921651&i=4" target="_top" rel="nofollow">linuxaudio@...</a>>:
<br>> > > If there is such a prize as a
<br>> > > Nobel prize for most amazing support fellow on the
<br>> > internet, I will
<br>> > > definetely nominate you!!
<br>> > >
<br>> > votes += 1;
<br>> > // :-)
<br>> >
<br>> vote++
<br>> // :)
</div><br>LET VOTE = VOTE + 1
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<br><br>On 10 October 2008 at 8:34, Ketil Thorgersen <<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19919368&i=0" target="_top" rel="nofollow">linuxaudio@...</a>> wrote:
<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> (scuse the top posting)
<br>>
<br>> I read this list every day and must say that I am more than amazed that
<br>> anyone can be so friendly and at the same time so cunning day in and day
<br>> out. Always there to solve other people's problems. You ARE this
<br>> community and you should be rewarded. If there is such a prize as a
<br>> Nobel prize for most amazing support fellow on the internet, I will
<br>> definetely nominate you!!
<br>>
<br>> Have a happy weekend!
<br>>
<br>> Ketil
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<br>Kevin
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<br><div class='shrinkable-quote'><br>> From: Emanuel Rumpf <<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19917407&i=1" target="_top" rel="nofollow">xbran@...</a>>
<br>> Subject: Re: [Rosegarden-user] Some Nobel price for D. Michael McIntyre?
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<br>> Date: Friday, October 10, 2008, 5:29 AM
<br>> 2008/10/10 Ketil Thorgersen <<a href="http://www.nabble.com/user/SendEmail.jtp?type=post&post=19917407&i=3" target="_top" rel="nofollow">linuxaudio@...</a>>:
<br>> > If there is such a prize as a
<br>> > Nobel prize for most amazing support fellow on the
<br>> internet, I will
<br>> > definetely nominate you!!
<br>> >
<br>> votes += 1;
<br>> // :-)
<br>>
</div>vote++
<br>// :)
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<br>> What would you prefere to do with KDialogBase ?
<br><br>Yves has been handling these, I believe by using QDialog and
<br>QDialogButtonBox directly.
<br><br>A new base class might be a good idea. On the one hand, our dialogs
<br>are probably not consistent enough for a simple base class to be easy
<br>to introduce. On the other hand, our dialogs are not consistent
<br>enough, and a simple base class might help.
<br><br>But improving the dialogs is probably something that's worth doing in
<br>another pass, after the basics compile (assuming that it is easier to
<br>continue doing them in an ad-hoc way now that we're part-way through).
<br> In particular, we need to review closely our use of apply/cancel vs
<br>OK -- our usage is a mess, and is plain wrong in at least two of our
<br>existing dialogs. I have a couple of lines of notes on that from an
<br>earlier thread, which I should put on the wiki. Fixing these things
<br>is certainly easier once we can actually see them though.
<br><br>So I'd say we should continue with QDialog/QDialogButtonBase for now,
<br>but do coordinate with Yves whatever you do. Yves, what are your
<br>thoughts?
<br><br><br>Chris
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