Roadmap to Lenny.

[Charles Plessy-12]

Dear all,

As you know, Lenny will freeze in a few days and the release team hopes
to have it out in September. This will be the release of Debian Med 1.0,
so let's have everything neat for the new users that will join us. I
identify the following tasks:

 - Getting proper Debtags for our packages.
 - Translating the package descriptions.
 - Translating the menu entries.
 - Translating the Alioth site.
 - Polishing the www.debian.org/devel/debian-med web pages.

Do not hesitate to discuss those issues on this list when you feel that
some coordination is needed!

Have a nice day,

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[Andreas Tille]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Charles Plessy wrote:

> As you know, Lenny will freeze in a few days and the release team hopes
> to have it out in September. This will be the release of Debian Med 1.0,
> so let's have everything neat for the new users that will join us. I
> identify the following tasks:

Many thanks for bringing this up.

> - Getting proper Debtags for our packages.

I added this point to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMedTodo .
But effort on this should be done *after* the actual freeze - we have
about three days left to polish on packages.

> - Translating the package descriptions.

Very good point but I'm a little bit frustrated about this.  As you probably
know from my announcement of the new tasks pages I added links to the description
translation server.  I asked the i18n people whether this is OK, because I had
serious trouble to enable fixing a broken translation.  (It was undocumented
but I solved it by guessing.)  This turned into a lengthy and flamish thread
(well, I admit I lost myself nerves which I regret somehow - but the attitude
"I did not checked what you are doing and I don't understand what you are
asking - but just don't do this" really heated my normally quiet temper ... [2])
The thread ended so that I just turned the links to fix a translation into
invisible comments (see html code of any task page and look for /force/).
The problem is that the technique i18n people seems in my eyes completely
insufficient (I would immediately have 4-5 wishlist bug reports that would
lead to drastic enhancement of the workflow and guessing from my experience
they should be even simple to implement).  But i18n people somehow adapted
to this workflow and feel not happy about changing anything.  I hope to
be able to enhance this situation at debconf ...

> - Translating the menu entries.

Hmmm, what do you mean here?  Desktop files?  This would mean new uploads
and if you think this should have priority this has to be done *now*.

> - Translating the Alioth site.

Yep.

> - Polishing the www.debian.org/devel/debian-med web pages.

Uhhhm, yeees.  I wished I would find some motivation for this - the page
definitely needs more love!

> Do not hesitate to discuss those issues on this list when you feel that
> some coordination is needed!

If I understood you correct the point of "translating menu items" is
the only one we have a certain (and short deadline) - so I would like
to put it on top priority.  But I'm personally not able to help in just
doing something (except of a sponsored upload if needed).

I will definitely put the description translation issue on high
priority for DebConf.

Apropos DebConf:  Who of the readers of this list will be there???

Thanks again for pointing to this problem

        Andreas.


[1] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMedTodo
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-i18n/2008/07/msg00224.html (and I excused
     for the tone in my next mail ...)

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[Charles Plessy-12]

Hi Andreas,

Le Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 10:58:52AM +0200, Andreas Tille a écrit :
> On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Charles Plessy wrote:
>
> >- Getting proper Debtags for our packages.
>
> I added this point to http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMedTodo .
> But effort on this should be done *after* the actual freeze - we have
> about three days left to polish on packages.

In my understanding, packages uploaded now will not be part of Lenny as
when it freezes they will still be in Sid. Of course, if the upload
fixes things relevant to the release, I guess that we can negociate with
a good debdiff on debian-release@...…


> >- Translating the package descriptions.
>
> Very good point but I'm a little bit frustrated about this.

> I hope to
> be able to enhance this situation at debconf ...

Yes, definitely talking directly should reduce the risk of
misunderstandings.



> >- Translating the menu entries.
>
> Hmmm, what do you mean here?

It was unfortunately so well hidden in Bill's announcement that even the
i18n team was not aware of it, but there was a call for translating the
.menu entries via a .po file:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/05/msg00011.html


> >- Polishing the www.debian.org/devel/debian-med web pages.
>
> Uhhhm, yeees.  I wished I would find some motivation for this - the page
> definitely needs more love!

As not everybody has write access to the website, please any of the
readers do not hesitate to make suggestions. I intend to :

 - Write a summary of the novelties of Debian Med 1.0.
 - Finish the transition to Alioth for the bigest tasks pages.
 - Write a summary of the multiple alignments programs in Debian because
   I think that we have now a nice collection that desserves being
   advertised.
 - Update here and there.


> Apropos DebConf:  Who of the readers of this list will be there???

Nope, but please support those who want Debconf in Japan some day ;)

Have a nice day,

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[Andreas Tille]

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008, Charles Plessy wrote:

> In my understanding, packages uploaded now will not be part of Lenny as
> when it freezes they will still be in Sid. Of course, if the upload
> fixes things relevant to the release, I guess that we can negociate with
> a good debdiff on debian-release@...?

I understood

    http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00006.html

the way that we have time until the actual freeze date (next weekend).
Please correct me if I understood this wrong.

> It was unfortunately so well hidden in Bill's announcement that even the
> i18n team was not aware of it, but there was a call for translating the
> .menu entries via a .po file:
>
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/05/msg00011.html

Uhmm, I have the feeling that any message about menu is perfectly hidden.
Just had an issue with he mysterious menu format 2 last year ...

> - Write a summary of the novelties of Debian Med 1.0.

Great!

> - Finish the transition to Alioth for the bigest tasks pages.

This was also my plan - but not able to realise until now.  Just
go for it - it is very welcome!

> - Write a summary of the multiple alignments programs in Debian because
>   I think that we have now a nice collection that desserves being
>   advertised.

Yep.

> Nope, but please support those who want Debconf in Japan some day ;)

;-)

Kind regards

         Andreas.


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[Charles Plessy-12]

Le Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 12:05:09PM +0200, Andreas Tille a écrit :
>
> I understood
>
>    http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2008/07/msg00006.html

Oh, I was wrong :)

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[Karsten Hilbert]

On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 12:05:09PM +0200, RKI Andreas wrote:

> Uhmm, I have the feeling that any message about menu is perfectly hidden.
> Just had an issue with he mysterious menu format 2 last year ...

BTW, the menu section of the Debian Policy/Manual lists
gnumed-client as an example of
Applications/Science/Medicine/ where it surely doesn't
belong (and the package menu file properly says
Applications/Office/).

Karsten
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