Replacing an Eberspacher heater

[John Wheatcroft-3]

My Eberspacher hydronic 10 heater has yet again given up, the third time in
five years and 2,700 hours.    The quote for the repair is this time between
£700 and £1,000.    It is therefore probably beyond economic repair.



I am looking at replacing it with either a Mikuni or a Webasto which both
look as though they will fit in the space.    Has anyone done such a
replacement and can give me any advice on the difficulties I might have such
as layout of pipe runs and mountings.  Also advice on the relative
reliability of these heaters would be welcome.



 One of the problems with the Eberspacher is that when it gives up it just
does not start and there appears to be no way to diagnose the fault, other
than taking it out a retuning it to a dealer.     Are the Mikuni or the
Webasto any better in this respect?



Advice on good local dealers would also be welcome, as I would like to view
the relevant heaters before making up my mind.

If you wish to reply off list please use john@....    Thanks in
advance for any help.

John Wheatcroft

The Maltings, Sharpes Lane, Hemel Hempstead, HP1 2RX

01442 863842

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[Stephen Green-5]

Hi,

My favourite topic!

1. Run the Eberspacher on Kerosene.

2. Get the 7 day timer which gives the fault codes off Ebay.

3. Go on the Espar web-site in USA and download the fault code analysis
manual.

4. Get a second used Hydronic 10 cheap from another disallusioned boater and
use it for spares.

Regards,

Steve.


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Wheatcroft" <john.wheatcroft@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:20 PM
Subject: DBAm: Replacing an Eberspacher heater


My Eberspacher hydronic 10 heater has yet again given up, the third time in
five years and 2,700 hours.    The quote for the repair is this time between
£700 and £1,000.    It is therefore probably beyond economic repair.



I am looking at replacing it with either a Mikuni or a Webasto which both
look as though they will fit in the space.    Has anyone done such a
replacement and can give me any advice on the difficulties I might have such
as layout of pipe runs and mountings.  Also advice on the relative
reliability of these heaters would be welcome.



 One of the problems with the Eberspacher is that when it gives up it just
does not start and there appears to be no way to diagnose the fault, other
than taking it out a retuning it to a dealer.     Are the Mikuni or the
Webasto any better in this respect?



Advice on good local dealers would also be welcome, as I would like to view
the relevant heaters before making up my mind.

If you wish to reply off list please use john@....    Thanks in
advance for any help.

John Wheatcroft

The Maltings, Sharpes Lane, Hemel Hempstead, HP1 2RX

01442 863842

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[Julian Tether-3]

There is a new Mikuni coming out in a few weeks its having CE approval as we
speak.
Have emailed the brochure to you separately.

Julian

"John Wheatcroft" <john.wheatcroft@...> wrote in message
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My Eberspacher hydronic 10 heater has yet again given up, the third time in
five years and 2,700 hours.    The quote for the repair is this time between
£700 and £1,000.    It is therefore probably beyond economic repair.



I am looking at replacing it with either a Mikuni or a Webasto which both
look as though they will fit in the space.    Has anyone done such a
replacement and can give me any advice on the difficulties I might have such
as layout of pipe runs and mountings.  Also advice on the relative
reliability of these heaters would be welcome.



 One of the problems with the Eberspacher is that when it gives up it just
does not start and there appears to be no way to diagnose the fault, other
than taking it out a retuning it to a dealer.     Are the Mikuni or the
Webasto any better in this respect?



Advice on good local dealers would also be welcome, as I would like to view
the relevant heaters before making up my mind.

If you wish to reply off list please use john@....    Thanks in
advance for any help.

John Wheatcroft

The Maltings, Sharpes Lane, Hemel Hempstead, HP1 2RX

01442 863842

john@...



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[Roger Millin]

John asked:

 One of the problems with the Eberspacher is that when it gives up it just
does not start and there appears to be no way to diagnose the fault, other
than taking it out a retuning it to a dealer.     Are the Mikuni or the
Webasto any better in this respect?


My experience has been good with Mikunis (MX40 and MX60). The MX40 has been
running on red diesel in a narrow boat for several years and has required
reasonably frequent DIY servicing and fault diagnosis. Preventive
maintenance is the key if running on red. The MX40 gives out flashing fault
codes (from memory from 1 to 9 flashes but don't quote me on this). I have
found that I have built up a reasonable expertise and confidence but at
least I do not have to get any special equipment. The MX60 running on white
diesel on my French boat has been totally fault free (so far).
>From the horror stories that I have read I would always choose a Mikuni over
its rivals but I may be biased of course ;-)))
Roger


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[royfarman]

Take the bull by the horns and fit something sensible that works. We
have a Hurricane supplied by Calcut Boats and are very pleased with it.
It doesnt take up much space and is reliable. It is a bit pricey but
you get what you pay for

rgds

Roy

Baglady


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From: John Wheatcroft <john.wheatcroft@...>
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My Eberspacher hydronic 10 heater has yet again given up, the third
time in
five years and 2,700 hours.    The quote for the repair is this time
between
£700 and £1,000.    It is therefore probably beyond economic repair.



I am looking at replacing it with either a Mikuni or a Webasto which
both
look as though they will fit in the space.    Has anyone done such a
replacement and can give me any advice on the difficulties I might have
such
as layout of pipe runs and mountings.  Also advice on the relative
reliability of these heaters would be welcome.



  One of the problems with the Eberspacher is that when it gives up it
just
does not start and there appears to be no way to diagnose the fault,
other
than taking it out a retuning it to a dealer.     Are the Mikuni or the
Webasto any better in this respect?



Advice on good loc
al dealers would also be welcome, as I would like to
view
the relevant heaters before making up my mind.

If you wish to reply off list please use john@....    Thanks
in
advance for any help.

John Wheatcroft

The Maltings, Sharpes Lane, Hemel Hempstead, HP1 2RX

01442 863842

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[Stephen Green-5]

There are good reports from 2 hurricane owners here on the Nene. However,
neither heaters have been used very much so it would be too early, in my
opinion, to say what the hurricane will be like long term. Although I
believe it has been used in Canada for some time.

Steve.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: DBAm: Replacing an Eberspacher heater

> Take the bull by the horns and fit something sensible that works. We
> have a Hurricane supplied by Calcut Boats and are very pleased with it.
> It doesnt take up much space and is reliable. It is a bit pricey but
> you get what you pay for
>
> rgds
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> Roy
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> Baglady
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Wheatcroft <john.wheatcroft@...>
> To: DBA Main List <dbamain@...>
> Sent: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 13:20
> Subject: DBAm: Replacing an Eberspacher heater
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> My Eberspacher hydronic 10 heater has yet again given up, the third
> time in
> five years and 2,700 hours.    The quote for the repair is this time
> between
> £700 and £1,000.    It is therefore probably beyond economic repair.
>
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> I am looking at replacing it with either a Mikuni or a Webasto which
> both
> look as though they will fit in the space.    Has anyone done such a
> replacement and can give me any advice on the difficulties I might have
> such
> as layout of pipe runs and mountings.  Also advice on the relative
> reliability of these heaters would be welcome.
>
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>
>  One of the problems with the Eberspacher is that when it gives up it
> just
> does not start and there appears to be no way to diagnose the fault,
> other
> than taking it out a retuning it to a dealer.     Are the Mikuni or the
> Webasto any better in this respect?
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> Advice on good loc
> al dealers would also be welcome, as I would like to
> view
> the relevant heaters before making up my mind.
>
> If you wish to reply off list please use john@....    Thanks
> in
> advance for any help.
>
> John Wheatcroft
>
> The Maltings, Sharpes Lane, Hemel Hempstead, HP1 2RX
>
> 01442 863842
>
> john@...
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[Mike & Krystyna Wooding]

----- Original Message -----
From: "John Wheatcroft" <john.wheatcroft@...>
To: "DBA Main List" <dbamain@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:20 PM
Subject: DBAm: Replacing an Eberspacher heater


My Eberspacher hydronic 10 heater has yet again given up, the third time in
five years and 2,700 hours.    The quote for the repair is this time between
£700 and £1,000.    It is therefore probably beyond economic repair.



I am looking at replacing it with either a Mikuni or a Webasto which both
look as though they will fit in the space.    Has anyone done such a
replacement and can give me any advice on the difficulties I might have such
as layout of pipe runs and mountings.  Also advice on the relative
reliability of these heaters would be welcome.

I replaced a Mikuni with a Webasto on our narrow boat, slight rearrangement
of the water pipes, otherwise no problem.  The Webasto has been in service
on Draco, which we used as residential for 4 years until early this year and
the heater ran for app 5 hours minimum a day in two sessions, and the
Webasto is still going strong

Mike


 One of the problems with the Eberspacher is that when it gives up it just
does not start and there appears to be no way to diagnose the fault, other
than taking it out a retuning it to a dealer.     Are the Mikuni or the
Webasto any better in this respect?

Never had a problem so I cannot answer

Mike

Mike and Krystyna Wooding
db Janna  http://www.janna.org.uk
nb Draco


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[Stephen Green-5]

Hi,

Thats good news.

a. Was it on red diesel?

b. Which model of Webasto was it?

Thanks,

Steve.
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To: <DBAMAIN@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: DBAm: Replacing an Eberspacher heater


----- Original Message -----
From: "John Wheatcroft" <john.wheatcroft@...>
To: "DBA Main List" <dbamain@...>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:20 PM
Subject: DBAm: Replacing an Eberspacher heater


My Eberspacher hydronic 10 heater has yet again given up, the third time in
five years and 2,700 hours.    The quote for the repair is this time between
£700 and £1,000.    It is therefore probably beyond economic repair.



I am looking at replacing it with either a Mikuni or a Webasto which both
look as though they will fit in the space.    Has anyone done such a
replacement and can give me any advice on the difficulties I might have such
as layout of pipe runs and mountings.  Also advice on the relative
reliability of these heaters would be welcome.

I replaced a Mikuni with a Webasto on our narrow boat, slight rearrangement
of the water pipes, otherwise no problem.  The Webasto has been in service
on Draco, which we used as residential for 4 years until early this year and
the heater ran for app 5 hours minimum a day in two sessions, and the
Webasto is still going strong

Mike


 One of the problems with the Eberspacher is that when it gives up it just
does not start and there appears to be no way to diagnose the fault, other
than taking it out a retuning it to a dealer.     Are the Mikuni or the
Webasto any better in this respect?

Never had a problem so I cannot answer

Mike

Mike and Krystyna Wooding
db Janna  http://www.janna.org.uk
nb Draco


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[Mallard2]

The Webasto we have has a flashing light on the control which tells you  what
the fault is-
Much better than the Eberspacher which have to be returned to agent for  
repair. I was quoted £65.00 hr
in the Uk to look at our old Eberspacer before repairs - so bought a new  
Webasto in Holland 1440 Euros for a 5 kw hot air one last July.
The kit that comes with the Webasto makes fitting easy - but follow the  
instructions carefully.
 
 
Colin Mallard South
FRANSISCA
Zaandam
 



   
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[Mike & Krystyna Wooding]

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Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 10:06 AM
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Hi,

Thats good news.

a. Was it on red diesel?

Yes always

b. Which model of Webasto was it?

Thermotop 4 - I think that's the number - the 4kW version anyway

Mike

Mike and Krystyna Wooding
db Janna  http://www.janna.org.uk
nb Draco


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[Dave Millings]

I have posted the mobile of  guy who repairs Webasto and Eberspacher. the
fuel must be as clean as possible. When mine "went" a short time after I had
just had it repaired i fixed it myself. They normally coke up. You can strip
it down yourself and clean/replace the burner. just take your time and take
plenty of photos so you know how to put it together again. There is a firm
called Butler Technik (on the net) who will supply all the parts you need.
you can also download the complete repair manual (for Webasto) off the net.
Mine (webasto) is still ok 18 months later. Put an in-line fuel filter in.
Dave Millings
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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:52 PM
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From: "John Wheatcroft" <john.wheatcroft@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 1:20 PM
Subject: DBAm: Replacing an Eberspacher heater


My Eberspacher hydronic 10 heater has yet again given up, the third time in
five years and 2,700 hours.    The quote for the repair is this time between
£700 and £1,000.    It is therefore probably beyond economic repair.



I am looking at replacing it with either a Mikuni or a Webasto which both
look as though they will fit in the space.    Has anyone done such a
replacement and can give me any advice on the difficulties I might have such
as layout of pipe runs and mountings.  Also advice on the relative
reliability of these heaters would be welcome.

I replaced a Mikuni with a Webasto on our narrow boat, slight rearrangement
of the water pipes, otherwise no problem.  The Webasto has been in service
on Draco, which we used as residential for 4 years until early this year and
the heater ran for app 5 hours minimum a day in two sessions, and the
Webasto is still going strong

Mike


 One of the problems with the Eberspacher is that when it gives up it just
does not start and there appears to be no way to diagnose the fault, other
than taking it out a retuning it to a dealer.     Are the Mikuni or the
Webasto any better in this respect?

Never had a problem so I cannot answer

Mike

Mike and Krystyna Wooding
db Janna  http://www.janna.org.uk
nb Draco


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[amethyst08]

Just stripped my Hydronic 10 down for the third time this year and have started running it on kerosene
runs perfectly no sooting up and starts first time every time ..I have all the manuals/fault codes. if you would like a copy mail me...

if you do decide to buy a new heater would you consider selling/donating your old one to us for spares
( I run the floating classroom at Little Venice ...we're a charity and Eberspacher spares are just too pricey)

 I think the main problem with all heaters of this type is fuel .....I recommend kerosene...

John Wheatcroft-3 wrote:

My Eberspacher hydronic 10 heater has yet again given up, the third time in
five years and 2,700 hours.    The quote for the repair is this time between
£700 and £1,000.    It is therefore probably beyond economic repair.



I am looking at replacing it with either a Mikuni or a Webasto which both
look as though they will fit in the space.    Has anyone done such a
replacement and can give me any advice on the difficulties I might have such
as layout of pipe runs and mountings.  Also advice on the relative
reliability of these heaters would be welcome.



 One of the problems with the Eberspacher is that when it gives up it just
does not start and there appears to be no way to diagnose the fault, other
than taking it out a retuning it to a dealer.     Are the Mikuni or the
Webasto any better in this respect?



Advice on good local dealers would also be welcome, as I would like to view
the relevant heaters before making up my mind.

If you wish to reply off list please use [e-mail].    Thanks in
advance for any help.

John Wheatcroft

The Maltings, Sharpes Lane, Hemel Hempstead, HP1 2RX

01442 863842

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