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Re: psycollider, install/use without administrator privileges
by Christopher Frauenberger
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Hello (not from dll-hell today...)
the problem here are the dependencies of MSVC applications and how
they are met on a variety of Windows platforms (if you think every
Linux is different, take a look at Windows...)
The solution by the MS Installer is to install side-by-side dlls,
which - to my knowledge - requires some administrator rights. I am
sure there is a way to build an installer that would not do this
(e.g. using the excellent http://wix.sourceforge.net/), but this is
far from trivial. I would be much more in favour of investing the
time into getting the windows port compiled with scons/mingw (the sc-
plugins are switched already and working fine...) and cutting out all
MS dlls.
Chris
On 14 May 2008, at 21:43, Karl Yerkes wrote:
> my objection is that i often work in situations where installing
> something (even once) as administrator is not an option. also,
> there is no reason why the install should require administrator
> privileges, so it an unnecessary annoyance. i would feel
> differently if there were a demonstrable security concern that
> would be solved by requiring administrator privileges. avoiding
> dll hell is great. i am for it. however, i am pretty sure that
> there is a way to build a .msi that does not require administrator
> to install.
>
> -- karl
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:41 AM, James Harkins
> <jamshark70@...> wrote:
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:07 AM, altern <altern2@...> wrote:
> > hi
> >
> > does anyone if this should work on machines where psycollider has
> not
> > been installed yet? i mean the dlls requiered would not be
> available in
> > the C:\windows folder but locally. I am trying on a fresh machine
> and
> > scsynth does not work, I am not sure if this is the reason or
> something
> > else missing.
>
> That sounds like the issue. Chris switched from a zip archive to an
> installer because of dll hell.
>
> What is the objection to installing once as an admin user, then
> running the software under a limited-rights account? (Even in OSX,
> installing some software requires administrator password
> authentication... and in Windows, refusing to install anything as
> admin means not having much software at all :)
>
> hjh
>
>
> --
> James Harkins /// dewdrop world
> jamshark70@...
> http://www.dewdrop-world.net
>
> "Come said the Muse,
> Sing me a song no poet has yet chanted,
> Sing me the universal." -- Whitman
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>
>
> --
> -- ky
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the problem here are the dependencies of MSVC applications and how
they are met on a variety of Windows platforms (if you think every
Linux is different, take a look at Windows...)
The solution by the MS Installer is to install side-by-side dlls,
which - to my knowledge - requires some administrator rights. I am
sure there is a way to build an installer that would not do this
(e.g. using the excellent http://wix.sourceforge.net/), but this is
far from trivial. I would be much more in favour of investing the
time into getting the windows port compiled with scons/mingw (the sc-
plugins are switched already and working fine...) and cutting out all
MS dlls.
Chris
On 14 May 2008, at 21:43, Karl Yerkes wrote:
> my objection is that i often work in situations where installing
> something (even once) as administrator is not an option. also,
> there is no reason why the install should require administrator
> privileges, so it an unnecessary annoyance. i would feel
> differently if there were a demonstrable security concern that
> would be solved by requiring administrator privileges. avoiding
> dll hell is great. i am for it. however, i am pretty sure that
> there is a way to build a .msi that does not require administrator
> to install.
>
> -- karl
>
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 9:41 AM, James Harkins
> <jamshark70@...> wrote:
> On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 10:07 AM, altern <altern2@...> wrote:
> > hi
> >
> > does anyone if this should work on machines where psycollider has
> not
> > been installed yet? i mean the dlls requiered would not be
> available in
> > the C:\windows folder but locally. I am trying on a fresh machine
> and
> > scsynth does not work, I am not sure if this is the reason or
> something
> > else missing.
>
> That sounds like the issue. Chris switched from a zip archive to an
> installer because of dll hell.
>
> What is the objection to installing once as an admin user, then
> running the software under a limited-rights account? (Even in OSX,
> installing some software requires administrator password
> authentication... and in Windows, refusing to install anything as
> admin means not having much software at all :)
>
> hjh
>
>
> --
> James Harkins /// dewdrop world
> jamshark70@...
> http://www.dewdrop-world.net
>
> "Come said the Muse,
> Sing me a song no poet has yet chanted,
> Sing me the universal." -- Whitman
> _______________________________________________
> sc-users mailing list
> sc-users@...
> http://lists.create.ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/sc-users
>
>
>
> --
> -- ky
> _______________________________________________
> sc-users mailing list
> sc-users@...
> http://lists.create.ucsb.edu/mailman/listinfo/sc-users
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