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by Janko Mivsek
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Hi Rob,
As you already mention it is a long-term mantability and extendability
of Smalltalk systems what should count, not short-term flashy, cool
painting of your apps with Visual Studio, which soon start to became
spaghetti code and you need to start rewriting them again. That's what
M$ like a lot of course ...
On the contrary Smalltalk (and Aida) apps are almost eternal, they can
stand years and years of continuous change, yet stay maintainable. Let
me just point to 10 years anniversary of longest living Aida app: a Gas
Billing System for out National Gas Company, billing all the gas in
Slovenia: http://www.aidaweb.si/news/anniversaries-records.html
Best regards
Janko
Rob Rothwell wrote:
> We have another application developer at our hospital who has been
> looking at Visual Studio 2008.
>
> Don't send the hate mail...!
>
> We were listing pro's and con's of Smalltalk with Aida (or yes, even
> Seaside!) vs Visual Studio, and I came to the conclusion that it depends
> on the problem you are trying to solve. The "instant" drag and drop
> data sources and page layouts in Visual Studio were certainly
> impressive, but the underlying code is most definitely NOT impressive.
>
> Anyway, my advice was if you have a complex problem domain, Smalltalk is
> hands down the winner. If all you need to do is create Crystal Reports
> and paged tables, tracking boards, that sort of thing, and you don't
> even need to "code," why NOT use Visual Studio. But the minute you need
> to go a little deeper, the code generated by Visual Studio is, pardon my
> language, going to kick you in the ass (in my opinion).
>
> In other words, once your drag and drop days are over, you are not
> having fun anymore!
>
> Any other thoughts, so I can help him make an intelligent decision?
> Maybe both are right, depending on the job?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob
>
>
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Janko Mivšek
AIDA/Web
Smalltalk Web Application Server
http://www.aidaweb.si
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As you already mention it is a long-term mantability and extendability
of Smalltalk systems what should count, not short-term flashy, cool
painting of your apps with Visual Studio, which soon start to became
spaghetti code and you need to start rewriting them again. That's what
M$ like a lot of course ...
On the contrary Smalltalk (and Aida) apps are almost eternal, they can
stand years and years of continuous change, yet stay maintainable. Let
me just point to 10 years anniversary of longest living Aida app: a Gas
Billing System for out National Gas Company, billing all the gas in
Slovenia: http://www.aidaweb.si/news/anniversaries-records.html
Best regards
Janko
Rob Rothwell wrote:
> We have another application developer at our hospital who has been
> looking at Visual Studio 2008.
>
> Don't send the hate mail...!
>
> We were listing pro's and con's of Smalltalk with Aida (or yes, even
> Seaside!) vs Visual Studio, and I came to the conclusion that it depends
> on the problem you are trying to solve. The "instant" drag and drop
> data sources and page layouts in Visual Studio were certainly
> impressive, but the underlying code is most definitely NOT impressive.
>
> Anyway, my advice was if you have a complex problem domain, Smalltalk is
> hands down the winner. If all you need to do is create Crystal Reports
> and paged tables, tracking boards, that sort of thing, and you don't
> even need to "code," why NOT use Visual Studio. But the minute you need
> to go a little deeper, the code generated by Visual Studio is, pardon my
> language, going to kick you in the ass (in my opinion).
>
> In other words, once your drag and drop days are over, you are not
> having fun anymore!
>
> Any other thoughts, so I can help him make an intelligent decision?
> Maybe both are right, depending on the job?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Aida mailing list
> Aida@...
> http://lists.aidaweb.si/mailman/listinfo/aida
--
Janko Mivšek
AIDA/Web
Smalltalk Web Application Server
http://www.aidaweb.si
_______________________________________________
Aida mailing list
Aida@...
http://lists.aidaweb.si/mailman/listinfo/aida
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