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Re: Visual Studio 2008

by Rob Rothwell-2 :: Rate this Message:

Nico,

Thanks for sharing your first hand experience. I still don't think of myself as being "good" with Smalltalk, meaning I do not find the most compact way of doing most things, but I am constantly comparing what I can do to my experience with VB which was always FRUSTRATED. Anytime I wanted to do "that one little thing" that wasn't "built in," it was terrible.

Thanks again; I'll pass this on!

Rob

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Nicolas Petton <petton.nicolas@...> wrote:

Hi Rob,

I worked on the VS 2008 project all last summer for a local company.
It was very painful. IMHO, when you know Smalltalk and its environment,
you absolutely don't want to go back. It seems that you have the choice,
while I didn't.

Ok, building the UI with VS is easy. But when you need to edit the code
by hand, it's a nightmare. But, correct me if I'm wrong, building the UI
with Aida or Seaside is very easy too, it only takes a few minutes, and
you have the advantage of readability, easy maintenance and portability.
Not to mention all smalltalk tools like the debugger, it changed my
life :)

I wrote somewhere on the net a quotation:

question: "Why do people use C++ or Java instead of Smalltalk?"
answer: "Why do they smoke?"

Cheers!

Nico

Le jeudi 17 avril 2008 à 16:24 -0400, Rob Rothwell a écrit :

> We have another application developer at our hospital who has been
> looking at Visual Studio 2008.
>
> Don't send the hate mail...!
>
> We were listing pro's and con's of Smalltalk with Aida (or yes, even
> Seaside!) vs Visual Studio, and I came to the conclusion that it
> depends on the problem you are trying to solve. The "instant" drag
> and drop data sources and page layouts in Visual Studio were certainly
> impressive, but the underlying code is most definitely NOT impressive.
>
> Anyway, my advice was if you have a complex problem domain, Smalltalk
> is hands down the winner. If all you need to do is create Crystal
> Reports and paged tables, tracking boards, that sort of thing, and you
> don't even need to "code," why NOT use Visual Studio. But the minute
> you need to go a little deeper, the code generated by Visual Studio
> is, pardon my language, going to kick you in the ass (in my opinion).
>
> In other words, once your drag and drop days are over, you are not
> having fun anymore!
>
> Any other thoughts, so I can help him make an intelligent decision?
> Maybe both are right, depending on the job?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Rob

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