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by Giuseppe Luigi Punzi Ruiz :: Rate this Message:

I THINK I am...becoming...more productive, but just enforcing the TOOLS is bogging me down (writing tests, saving my projects, change sets, all that stuff), let alone writing CODE.

Sunit is not timeless (this is the correct word?)

Test Driven Development make thath you object model work always as you say may work. If you do "something wrong", the tests will say you to solve it.

Or I didn't understand you correctly?

El 29/03/2008, a las 17:08, Rob Rothwell escribió:

On Sat, Mar 29, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Michael Rueger <m.rueger@...> wrote:

- it is a language that is orders of magnitude easier to learn with
someone mentoring you (best sitting next to you)

Unfortunately, this is not available to me!

- it takes a decent programmer about three months until they hear this
loud clicking noise in their head: the switch being thrown to think the
Smalltalk (OO) way. And there will be no way back

Is that with the mentor?! Actually, the switch has been thrown...I am able to do some useful work now, and I hate having to go back and support my previous work.

- good programmers become more productive, not so good ones become less
productive in Smalltalk compared to other languages

I don't know if I'm good or not; I've never really worked with anyone else. I just use computers to solve typical automation problems in healthcare...most of which has to do with moving and checking data with constantantly changing requirements and lots of natural "subclasses." Smalltalk is the obvious choice. There are some "small" solutions that come out of our Six Sigma projects. I THINK I am...becoming...more productive, but just enforcing the TOOLS is bogging me down (writing tests, saving my projects, change sets, all that stuff), let alone writing CODE.

- there are actually people who don't get it. At all. But those are
rare, fortunately

Yes...fortunately. I NEED this, or we will never be able to keep up with the changing world of healthcare and the gaps that need to be filled between our purchased products and our process capabilites. We need fast flexibility to provide short bursts of important automation!

Why is this not the same in e.g. Java? You can cheat and avoid OO ;-)

I never learned Java. Only used C when I had to. Was frustrated by VB for years but I knew how to get something done.

Just MTC €

I agree...I'm just not good enough yet for all the work I have to get done! But I have finally turned a corner, and am hopeful of speedier progress!

Rob

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