Re: La vida te da sorpresas, sorpresas te da la vida RV: [squeak-dev] Release Fun squeak as 3.10 full

> Buenos días, Edgar.
>
> Gracias por tu invitación.  Soy nuevo en todo esto.  Podrías indicarme algún
> sitio en español que explique cómo conectarme al IRC.
>
> Aunque no leo tan mal el inglés, me cuesta en este tipo de cosas técnica.
>
> También he visto en FunSqueak que hay una opción IRC.  He seguido los pasos,
> pero me pide nicknames, direcciones, etc.  La pregunta aquí es ¿previamente
> debería estar inscrito freenode.net? ¿cómo se hace?
>
> Gracias por aguantarme con mi jorobancia.
>
> Sandore

> 05:24:41 <snake_mountain> ExternalWebBrowserUnizMozilla(Object)>>error.
> 05:25:19 <edgardec> You have a fresh basic image or any more complete as
> Damiens dev or mine FunSqueak ?
> 05:25:33 <edgardec> Oh, I see you trouble
> 05:25:45 <edgardec> You have Mac OS ?
> 05:25:59 <snake_mountain> In English.  :-D  Earlier post:  Hi.  I cannot get
> IRCe installed on squeak 3.10.  It a fresh install.  It first failed at the
> external web browser dependency.  I went back and installed FFI by itself, OK,
> but it failed on the external browser.  I could not install version 9 but
> could install version 8.  Still IRCe fails.  Any assistance today?  Yes,...I
> am still pretty green.
> 05:26:37 <edgardec> No problem
> 05:26:40 <snake_mountain> Not on Mac today.  I'm a glutton for punishment.
> Vista Ultimate sith UAC turned off.
> 05:27:19 <edgardec> all here have diverse shades of green :=)
> 05:28:00 <edgardec> you mean was paying for Bill was richer and you more
> unhappy ?
> 05:28:40 <snake_mountain> I'm a system admin and need to face the bitch before
> it is deployed against my better wishes.
> 05:29:13 <snake_mountain> I work in all OS, and languages except,...until
> now,...squeak.
> 05:29:21 <edgardec> ok, no ditracting things.
> 05:29:34 <edgardec> stricking to your trouble...
> 05:29:38 <snake_mountain> I just booted by toliet-bowl 233mhz panter mac
> 05:29:46 <snake_mountain> OK
> 05:30:11 <edgardec> I bet you use Universes for having IRC installed ?
> 05:30:35 <snake_mountain> It was recommended last night right here on irc
> 05:31:47 <edgardec> Maybe who build the package have some more in mind, but
> the fact is you DON'T need any external
> 05:32:52 <snake_mountain> ??? external ?
> 05:34:09 <edgardec> only you need is install Network-IRC-fc.10.7.6.mcz IMHO
> 05:34:15 <snake_mountain> I'm download squeak 3.10 for mac right now.
> 05:34:25 <snake_mountain> How to?
> 05:34:40 <snake_mountain> How to install?
> 05:34:55 <edgardec> well, wait and I also startr a clean image
> 05:35:16 <edgardec> so I could do step by step for when troubles shows
> 05:35:37 <edgardec> and I say how cheat Squak and have things working
> 05:37:37 <edgardec> I ready
> 05:37:51 <edgardec> i have now 3 images running
> 05:38:02 <edgardec> one is Squeak3.10-7159-basic.image , just dowloaded
> 05:38:32 <edgardec> See a button labelled Package Universe Browser ?
> 05:38:41 <snake_mountain> Yep.
> 05:38:48 <edgardec> hit it
> 05:39:16 <snake_mountain> DOne.
> 05:39:33 --- join: ziyourenxiang (n=ziyouren@...)
> joined #squeak
> 05:39:39 <edgardec> now hit update list from network, you see left panel
> populated
> 05:39:47 <snake_mountain> yep
> 05:40:02 <edgardec> locate network
> 05:40:18 <snake_mountain> done that
> 05:40:51 <snake_mountain> I now have it open in both Mac and Vista
> 05:41:03 <edgardec> clicking should expand to show  Network-IRC-fc.10.7.6
> 05:41:20 <snake_mountain> Yes
> 05:41:43 <edgardec> click ot his and then click on select package
> 05:41:53 <edgardec> left panel shoulkd change
> 05:42:45 <edgardec> to reand (to intall ) and name of selected package
> 05:44:15 <snake_mountain> Actually I performed all of htese steps before and
> it failed.  Arrrrhhhhhhhhh.  On Mac....Error:  Unable to find function
> address.  Same as on Vista
> 05:44:34 <snake_mountain> Proceed, abandon, debug
> 05:44:53 <snake_mountain> Could 3.10 be bugy?
> 05:45:06 <edgardec> I doing the steps so I see FFI is installing now...
> 05:45:07 <snake_mountain> I'm too new to know any different.
> 05:45:12 <snake_mountain> OK
> 05:45:24 <edgardec> Wait , as I have a old Mac PPC
> 05:46:05 <edgardec> I see system try to install ExternalWebBrowser now
> 05:46:48 <edgardec> ok , the debugger show his power !
> 05:51:00 <edgardec> Ok, I do a rude dirty trick
> 05:51:46 <edgardec> Waiting to complete the black art magic (could fails said
> Tu Sam )
> 05:53:12 --- join: comp_ (n=comp_@...) joined
> #squeak
> 05:53:16 <edgardec> And fails, yes
> 05:53:56 <edgardec> So we need locate only the package and not load
> ExternalWebBrowser...
> 05:54:18 <snake_mountain> ?
> 05:56:47 <edgardec> Wait, I checking alternate way work...
> 05:57:23 <edgardec> At the point of bur shows, image have FFI installed
> 05:57:46 <edgardec> I say you DON'T need ExternalBrowser
> 05:58:02 <edgardec> but need be sure I right...
> 05:58:13 <edgardec> and give a solution to you
> 06:01:03 --- join: TuSam (n=tsm@...) joined
> #squeak
> 06:01:20 <TuSam> Here from a fresh image
> 06:01:27 <TuSam> I'm Edgar
> 06:01:45 <TuSam> as i bet, you don't need
> 06:02:01 <TuSam> so I say how you could get IRD working
> 06:02:27 <TuSam> and you could find who do wrong in Universes
> 06:02:40 <TuSam> Sure is a mistake
> 06:02:54 <TuSam> IRC, I mean
> 06:02:56 <spanish_mathish> who did wrong in this Universe?
> 06:03:39 <TuSam> The guy who register the package and say ExternalWebBroser
> was needed
> 06:03:49 <TuSam> maybe is a work in progress....
> 06:04:06 <TuSam> Universe in not perfect, you know
> 06:04:43 <TuSam> So, you wish do from zero or from bug showing ?
> 06:04:45 <snake_mountain> SO how to install a package without universe.
> Universe was recommended lat night on this chennel.
> 06:05:10 <TuSam> yes, but as all new things some mistakes happen
> 06:05:22 <TuSam> 3.10 is not bug free
> 06:05:39 <TuSam> but now we have 2200 + test
> 06:05:49 <snake_mountain> Actually I wanted to install on version 2.2
> 06:06:14 <TuSam> and myself take the complete test on 3 major OS
> 06:06:24 <TuSam> version 2.2 ?
> 06:06:40 <snake_mountain> Version 2.2 is used for MIT's Scratch.
> 06:06:57 <TuSam> Well this is a Squeak list
> 06:07:23 <snake_mountain> So.  Scratch is built in squeak.
> 06:07:23 <TuSam> sure Scratch people also could help you
> 06:07:37 <TuSam> but is very different
> 06:07:39 <snake_mountain> Naw, thay only know Scratch.
> 06:08:02 <TuSam> all forks have difference
> 06:08:12 <TuSam> like all Linux
> 06:08:31 <snake_mountain> Forget a bout Scratch.  That's my project.  All I
> want to do is know who to install a package, such as IRCe on queak.
> 06:08:46 <TuSam> and we still don't have a kernel on top all could load
> 06:08:50 <snake_mountain> BTW, all OS alike.  :-D
> 06:08:57 <TuSam> but many was working for it
> 06:09:05 <TuSam> so back to bussiness
> 06:09:20 <TuSam> you have FFi installed now or not ?
> 06:10:14 <TuSam> to find see class browser
> 06:10:20 <snake_mountain> ffi installed.
> 06:11:02 <TuSam> ok , go to Flaps and drag Package Loader
> 06:11:35 <TuSam> We still keep SM, so Goran was right in we should keep it
> 06:11:40 <snake_mountain> FLaps?
> 06:12:09 <spanish_mathish> i know GNU Smalltalk, Squeak,   does anyone know
> more?
> 06:12:19 <TuSam> you see a orange thing labelled Tools ?
> 06:12:43 <TuSam> which could be dragged to show many icons ?
> 06:12:49 <spanish_mathish> i wanted a slower interpreter, i want more
> reliability
> 06:12:52 <snake_mountain> Tools, yes.
> 06:13:08 <snake_mountain> What is long name for flaps?
> 06:13:14 <TuSam> see one icon labelled Package Loader ?
> 06:13:28 <snake_mountain> Package Loader yes.
> 06:13:52 <TuSam> drag for you see the window
> 06:14:01 <snake_mountain> Window open.
> 06:14:11 <TuSam> should expand to SqueakMap Package Loader
> 06:14:50 <snake_mountain> Yep and I also see IRC, and IRCe.
> 06:14:55 <TuSam> Is another form as load things
> 06:15:12 --- part: comp_ left #squeak
> 06:15:21 <TuSam> In Linus you also have many ways to load thing..
> 06:15:38 <TuSam> Linux
> 06:17:02 <TuSam> anyway you have the SM window ?
> 06:17:17 <snake_mountain> Yes SM PL
> 06:17:41 <TuSam> Locate IRCe
> 06:18:22 <snake_mountain> Yes irce
> 06:18:42 <snake_mountain> which verson?
> 06:18:48 <TuSam> and click to expand to show 10.7.6 , what is the version you
> need
> 06:18:58 <TuSam> the first when you expand
> 06:19:27 <TuSam> Select for color change to red
> 06:19:30 <snake_mountain> 10.7.6 and download web site
> 06:19:57 <TuSam> install with the pop menu
> 06:20:18 <snake_mountain> pop menu
> 06:20:20 <snake_mountain> ?
> 06:21:04 <TuSam> you should see some tiny square on top of left panel scroll
> bar
> 06:21:39 <snake_mountain> OK  Installing.
> 06:21:43 <TuSam> sorry but all this is on SqueakByExample and on swiki
> 06:22:02 <TuSam> tell when install finish
> 06:22:08 <snake_mountain> I appreciate your petience.
> 06:22:30 <TuSam> I'm always wish help people
> 06:23:03 <TuSam> And believe me I fight for Squak was easier, funnier,
> powerful
> 06:23:07 <snake_mountain> I code in other languages.  SOmetimes knowledge of
> one methond can interfer with another.
> 06:23:17 <TuSam> Oh, yes
> 06:23:57 <TuSam> Unfortunate os, we don;t have 8 and a OLPC machine and good
> teacjers...
> 06:24:03 <TuSam> teachers
> 06:24:16 --- join: Yamazaki-kun (n=bsa3@...) joined #squeak
> 06:24:35 <snake_mountain> If installed, how to locate?  Objects?
> 06:25:01 <TuSam> if you have kids, do youself a favor and buy two if offer is
> still valid
> 06:25:53 <TuSam> and send one to poor children of third world countries
> 06:26:13 <TuSam> if on mac, click for World menu
> 06:26:49 <snake_mountain> World, yes.
> 06:26:59 <TuSam> You should see a list and a open item
> 06:27:03 <TuSam> select it
> 06:27:23 <snake_mountain> Yes am familar with OLPC.  I work in school with
> young kids.
> 06:28:32 <TuSam> locate one who understand Spanish
> 06:28:51 <TuSam> So both could email direct to me
> 06:29:06 <TuSam> and do really fun things with Squeak
> 06:29:26 <snake_mountain> TuSam does not sound spanish.
> 06:29:31 <TuSam> and you learn playing...
> 06:29:46 <TuSam> no, my name is Edgar
> 06:29:46 <snake_mountain> to my ears.  I do use bablefish
> 06:30:03 <TuSam> TuSam was a famous magician here
> 06:30:11 <TuSam> And always he said
> 06:30:21 <TuSam> "Magic could fail"
> 06:31:02 <TuSam> iT's I sya when think the trouble could be solved easily
> 06:31:44 <TuSam> You have IRC into Squeak now ?
> 06:31:57 <TuSam> could close this image ?
> 06:31:58 <snake_mountain> Yes!  Thanks much.
> 06:32:05 --- quit: TuSam (Remote closed the connection)
> 06:32:09 <edgardec> ok
> 06:32:30 <snake_mountain> so TuSam is aka Edgar
> 06:32:41 <edgardec> Now i take my magic cloths away for next time ...