Re: How do I set the initial size of multiple JDialogs

[Christopher Heiny]

On Friday 15 February 2008, ground control picked up the following
transmission from Ramon Ramos:

> El vie, 15-02-2008 a las 08:39 -0800, Wade Chandler escribió:
> > --- rzeldes <rick.zeldes@...> wrote:
> > > I have an application the has three JDialogs that open from the
> > > main panel. When I open the first JDialog it looks like expected,
> > > then I open the next and its initial size is set to the 1st
> > > JDialog (and looks bad). If I resize and close, then open the
> > > next JDialog - Its initial size is set to the resized 2nd JDialog
> > > (again looks bad). After resizing each, they all look correct on
> > > following opens. I hate to turn off resize (which causes them all
> > > to open at the correct initial size).
> >
> > Please read the mailing list descriptions before posting. This list
> > is about the UI and usability of the NetBeans projects themselves
> > and not software you design or user help. nbusers would be a better
> > place to ask.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Wade
>
> Couldn't this be avoided by renaming the list to a less attractive
> name than nbui? People always come and ask here and they may feel
> repudiated ("Sorry I didn't know", "This is my first post", etc).

Or simply changing the description on the community lists page
(http://www.netbeans.org/community/lists/), which is currently:

    If you're developing something with a user interface or
    are interested in usability issues, subscribe to nbui,
    the usability list.

and says nothing at all about being only for developers of NetBeans.  
While the link that you follow from that point is clearer, complaining
about questions like Rick's like putting up a sign outside your bar
saying "Free Beer Here!!" and another on inside saying "No Free Beer",
and then complaining when people ask for their free beer.

[Wade Chandler]

--- Ramon Ramos <r.ramos@...> wrote:
> Couldn't this be avoided by renaming the list to a less attractive name
> than nbui? People always come and ask here and they may feel repudiated
> ("Sorry I didn't know", "This is my first post", etc).
>

I think the fact that nbdev gets the same kind of questions begs to question whether the name
matters or will help. nbusability might work better though I can see that getting the same kinds
of questions, but I just live within the framework which is there and can't make the name change
myself. Basically any forum has a description and text explaining what it is. If one doesn't read
that and just posts they always risk posting the wrong questions to the wrong forums/lists, but
this one came from Nabble which apparently doesn't have any description, so it makes it much
harder apparently.

Wade

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[Wade Chandler]

--- Christopher Heiny <heiny@...> wrote:

> On Friday 15 February 2008, ground control picked up the following
> transmission from Ramon Ramos:
> > El vie, 15-02-2008 a las 08:39 -0800, Wade Chandler escribió:
> > > --- rzeldes <rick.zeldes@...> wrote:
> > > > I have an application the has three JDialogs that open from the
> > > > main panel. When I open the first JDialog it looks like expected,
> > > > then I open the next and its initial size is set to the 1st
> > > > JDialog (and looks bad). If I resize and close, then open the
> > > > next JDialog - Its initial size is set to the resized 2nd JDialog
> > > > (again looks bad). After resizing each, they all look correct on
> > > > following opens. I hate to turn off resize (which causes them all
> > > > to open at the correct initial size).
> > >
> > > Please read the mailing list descriptions before posting. This list
> > > is about the UI and usability of the NetBeans projects themselves
> > > and not software you design or user help. nbusers would be a better
> > > place to ask.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Wade
> >
> > Couldn't this be avoided by renaming the list to a less attractive
> > name than nbui? People always come and ask here and they may feel
> > repudiated ("Sorry I didn't know", "This is my first post", etc).
>
> Or simply changing the description on the community lists page
> (http://www.netbeans.org/community/lists/), which is currently:
>
>     If you're developing something with a user interface or
>     are interested in usability issues, subscribe to nbui,
>     the usability list.
>
> and says nothing at all about being only for developers of NetBeans.  
> While the link that you follow from that point is clearer, complaining
> about questions like Rick's like putting up a sign outside your bar
> saying "Free Beer Here!!" and another on inside saying "No Free Beer",
> and then complaining when people ask for their free beer.
>

Sure it could be changed, but I don't think it is as senseless are you are asserting here. It
links to the list and before one can subscribe they can clearly see it is in the developers
lists, and the description is more clear as you note. So that one page maybe needs to be more
clear, but it is there and visible. The main problem seems to be Nabble as it has no descriptions
I noticed, and have written to nbdiscuss about the issue.

I'm just a community member like anyone else, and I think at some point folks have to read things
and know what they are writing to and expecting before writing (Nabble posters seemingly have
odds against them). In no way do I see the correlation between free beer and no free beer. If you
have an answer for the person then give them an answer, but at least if they know where they need
to go it will better serve them and help them, and if they know to read descriptions in the
future...it will help them more than once. Just saying I'm complaining hasn't answered the
question, but knowing where to ask has a better chance it will get answered.

Wade


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Wade Chandler, CCE
Software Engineer and Developer, Certified Forensic Computer Examiner, NetBeans Dream Team Member, and NetBeans Board Member
http://www.certified-computer-examiner.com
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