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by Bob Tiernay :: Rate this Message:

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I'm wondering if something like OVal (a great validation framework btw) can
help out here:

See probe mode:

http://oval.sourceforge.net/#d0e739

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From: "Adam Hardy" <ahardy.struts@...>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 6:34 AM
To: "Struts Developers List" <dev@...>
Subject: Re: Fundamental flaw in Model-Driven?

> Jeromy Evans on 26/04/08 04:51, wrote:
>> I haven't had an opportunity to absorb your suggestion properly yet but
>> thought I'd mention I agree with your line of thinking that the
>> validation mechanism in particular needs to be improved. However, this is
>> a general problem that also applies to rich clients; that is
>> responsibility for rolling back changes to a model, and various patterns
>> have developed over the years.  A temporary copy is a simple
>> implementation, however within a JPA-environment automatically creating a
>> clone is often infeasible or undesirable. For example, if it's attached
>> to a session, this process may cause hydration of the entire object
>> graph. Unless the framework is provided hints, it won't know what to
>> safely/efficiently clone.
>>
>> Having the framework maintain dirty flags or proxy for the model also
>> seems ineffective as the JPA provider performs the exact same task, only
>> better.
>>
>> The option to write straight to the model (or DTO) and performing
>> validation of the model (or DTO) is a distinguishing feature of Struts 2,
>> but also the source of such complications. Anyway, I don't have a
>> solution, but I do intend to start resolving the numerous validation
>> issues in JIRA in the near future and this one is the list.
>
> Pondering over this issue during breakfast, I thought I'd check out how
> some other frameworks do it and I found some weak descriptions criticising
> struts for 'architectural issues' which I've been hearing for years but
> now I've forgotten what they actually are. I think in most cases they
> referred to Struts 1, but does anyone know of a good architectural
> critique that goes over such issues?
>
>
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