Re: FW: WTT: 1.5G of PC2700 for 1G of PC100

[Jonathan Katz-2]

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Robert Darlington <rdarlington@...>
wrote:

> It's the mileage man.  Never date girls you meet on IRC!  Everybody
> thinks I'm in my 40s.


I was worried you were going off topic but then I remembered dating girls
from IRC is a rescue of a whole differnet kind and puts on all kinds of
mileage.

I'm still 3 years younger than you, too. Maybe we should all get together
and enroll in the same on-line degree program at U of Phoenix or something.
I know I still need to finish my undergraduate.
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[Ethan O'Toole]

> It's the mileage man.  Never date girls you meet on IRC!  Everybody
> thinks I'm in my 40s.

Ha! A year or two ago I'm looking at the #hack sex chart, and I see this
local dude connected to this girl. Then on the other side (her only other
connection) is this guy who works with a friend in California (We are in
Virginia). The both happened to be in the same IRC channel on our server,
so I was like "hey person A?" "Yea?" "Hey person B?" "Yea?" You both
remember XXXX? SMALL WORLD MAN!



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[Phil Stracchino-3]

Robert Darlington wrote:
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Shannon Hendrix <shannon@...> wrote:
>>  Plus, when my car is under warranty, tinkering voids the warranty.
>
> The consumer protection act disagrees with you.

The big problem these days is that you often need so much specialized
knowledge to just "tinker with" many modern cars.  Depending on the
brand, you may need information only available to factory-trained
technicians, and expensive equipment available only to authorized
service shops.


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[Erie Patsellis]

I'll second that, as long as my wife isn't looking. The commute every
other weekend for a few months (1,000 miles) took it's toll on me, and I
ended up moving from New England to the Midwest.


erie

Robert Darlington wrote:

> It's the mileage man.  Never date girls you meet on IRC!  Everybody
> thinks I'm in my 40s.
>
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Ethan O'Toole <ethan@...> wrote:
>  
>>> Do it!   I'm 33, my buddy I take classes with is in his 50s.  It's
>>>
>>>      
>>  Damn Prof, I thought you were a bit older than me (32).
>>
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[Ethan O'Toole]

> The big problem these days is that you often need so much specialized
> knowledge to just "tinker with" many modern cars.  Depending on the brand,
> you may need information only available to factory-trained technicians, and
> expensive equipment available only to authorized service shops.

LOL. If you only knew the car hacking going down :-)

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[Jonathan Katz-2]

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Ethan O'Toole <ethan@...> wrote:

> The big problem these days is that you often need so much specialized
> > knowledge to just "tinker with" many modern cars.  Depending on the brand,
> > you may need information only available to factory-trained technicians, and
> > expensive equipment available only to authorized service shops.
> >
> LOL. If you only knew the car hacking going down :-)


The cost of entry isn't too bad. Just something like an ODB-II scanner that
turns off your check-engine light is $60.

If you have a VW or Audi (or Skoda or Seat) you can invest about $200 and
get a VAG-COM setup which lets you play with all kinds of things. I know a
lot of folks here and on geeks were commenting about their Audis  at one
point.

Also, for about $100 you can score the Bentley (publisher, not car) service
manual on CD-ROM.
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[Erie Patsellis]

No to mention all the ECU and wastegate hacking, notably on the 5000/200
turbo quattros, simple mods that turn a family car into a screamer.


erie


Jonathan Katz wrote:

> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Ethan O'Toole <ethan@...> wrote:
>
>  
>> The big problem these days is that you often need so much specialized
>>    
>>> knowledge to just "tinker with" many modern cars.  Depending on the brand,
>>> you may need information only available to factory-trained technicians, and
>>> expensive equipment available only to authorized service shops.
>>>
>>>      
>> LOL. If you only knew the car hacking going down :-)
>>    
>
>
> The cost of entry isn't too bad. Just something like an ODB-II scanner that
> turns off your check-engine light is $60.
>
> If you have a VW or Audi (or Skoda or Seat) you can invest about $200 and
> get a VAG-COM setup which lets you play with all kinds of things. I know a
> lot of folks here and on geeks were commenting about their Audis  at one
> point.
>
> Also, for about $100 you can score the Bentley (publisher, not car) service
> manual on CD-ROM.
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[wa2egp]

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Ethan O'Toole <ethan@...>
>
> > The big problem these days is that you often need so much specialized
> > knowledge to just "tinker with" many modern cars.  Depending on the brand,
> > you may need information only available to factory-trained technicians, and
> > expensive equipment available only to authorized service shops.
>
> LOL. If you only knew the car hacking going down :-)

Gee, point me in the right direction.  After all the crap we've gone through with my wife's MPV.  Would you believe the factory misprogrammed the car computer and one cylinder was injecting fuel during the exhaust part of the cycle.  Took out the catalytic converter and we had to buy a new computer (luckily we got one from some one (who crashed their MPV and was parting out the car) for peanuts compared to a new one.  

Bob
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[Jonathan Katz-2]

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 5:40 PM, <wa2egp@...> wrote:

> Gee, point me in the right direction.  After all the crap we've gone
> through with my wife's MPV.  Would you believe the factory misprogrammed the
> car computer and one cylinder was injecting fuel during the exhaust part of
> the cycle.  Took out the catalytic converter and we had to buy a new
> computer (luckily we got one from some one (who crashed their MPV and was
> parting out the car) for peanuts compared to a new one.


Usually the various forums have good info...

No experience here, but it could help you out...

http://mazdaforum.com/
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[wa2egp]

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Jonathan Katz" <jon@...>

>
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 5:40 PM, <wa2egp@...> wrote:
>
> > Gee, point me in the right direction.  After all the crap we've gone
> > through with my wife's MPV.  Would you believe the factory misprogrammed the
> > car computer and one cylinder was injecting fuel during the exhaust part of
> > the cycle.  Took out the catalytic converter and we had to buy a new
> > computer (luckily we got one from some one (who crashed their MPV and was
> > parting out the car) for peanuts compared to a new one.
>
>
> Usually the various forums have good info...
>
> No experience here, but it could help you out...
>
> http://mazdaforum.com/

That looks company sponsered.  They are not going to let anything out. :)  Too many MPVs from 2000-2006 have the same problems that it looks like a recall was in order but they are not going to do it.  Our mechanic got so frustrated that he asked if he could use the car as a guinea pig to find the problem and he did not charge anything for parts and labor for the last problem (leak in the evaporative emission control system).  After a few thousand, my Protege is working find. :)

Bob
"Bought a Mazda, got a Ford." - me
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[Jonathan Katz-2]

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 5:57 PM, <wa2egp@...> wrote:

> > Usually the various forums have good info...
> >
> > No experience here, but it could help you out...
> >
> > http://mazdaforum.com/
>
> That looks company sponsered.  They are not going to let anything out. :)
>  Too many MPVs from 2000-2006 have the same problems that it looks like a
> recall was in order but they are not going to do it.  Our mechanic got so
> frustrated that he asked if he could use the car as a guinea pig to find the
> problem and he did not charge anything for parts and labor for the last
> problem (leak in the evaporative emission control system).  After a few
> thousand, my Protege is working find. :)

Anything is possible, but sign up and get a post deleted, first! Also,
http://forums.mazdaworld.org/index.php (found via google.)

I learned all my Audi stuff from audiworld.com.
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[wa2egp]

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Jonathan Katz" <jon@...>

>
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 4:45 PM, Ethan O'Toole <ethan@...> wrote:
>
> > The big problem these days is that you often need so much specialized
> > > knowledge to just "tinker with" many modern cars.  Depending on the brand,
> > > you may need information only available to factory-trained technicians, and
> > > expensive equipment available only to authorized service shops.
> > >
> > LOL. If you only knew the car hacking going down :-)
>
>
> The cost of entry isn't too bad. Just something like an ODB-II scanner that
> turns off your check-engine light is $60.
>
> If you have a VW or Audi (or Skoda or Seat) you can invest about $200 and
> get a VAG-COM setup which lets you play with all kinds of things. I know a
> lot of folks here and on geeks were commenting about their Audis  at one
> point.
>
> Also, for about $100 you can score the Bentley (publisher, not car) service
> manual on CD-ROM.

Unforch, in NJ, any reset shows on inspection and they automatically fail you because the computer can't be read until you run the car a certain number of miles and the system resets.  Sometimes a "disconnected the battery" might get you by but they are getting wary of that.

Bob
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[Erie Patsellis]

That's odd, as the one of the first diagnostic steps taught by most of
the mfrs. (GM, Ford, Chrysler, VAG (Audi, VW, Porsche) for sure as I've
had all the factory training I care to have...)is to write down all
codes and possible subcodes, if applicable and do a reset, then test
drive to verify failure mode.


erie

>> anual on CD-ROM.
>>    
>
> Unforch, in NJ, any reset shows on inspection and they automatically fail you because the computer can't be read until you run the car a certain number of miles and the system resets.  Sometimes a "disconnected the battery" might get you by but they are getting wary of that.
>
> Bob
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[Phil Stracchino-3]

Ethan O'Toole wrote:
>> The big problem these days is that you often need so much specialized
>> knowledge to just "tinker with" many modern cars.  Depending on the
>> brand, you may need information only available to factory-trained
>> technicians, and expensive equipment available only to authorized
>> service shops.
>
> LOL. If you only knew the car hacking going down :-)

Note I said MAY.  :)


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[wa2egp]

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Jonathan Katz" <jon@...>

>
> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 5:57 PM, <wa2egp@...> wrote:
>
> > > Usually the various forums have good info...
> > >
> > > No experience here, but it could help you out...
> > >
> > > http://mazdaforum.com/
> >
> > That looks company sponsered.  They are not going to let anything out. :)
> >  Too many MPVs from 2000-2006 have the same problems that it looks like a
> > recall was in order but they are not going to do it.  Our mechanic got so
> > frustrated that he asked if he could use the car as a guinea pig to find the
> > problem and he did not charge anything for parts and labor for the last
> > problem (leak in the evaporative emission control system).  After a few
> > thousand, my Protege is working find. :)
>
>
> Anything is possible, but sign up and get a post deleted, first! Also,
> http://forums.mazdaworld.org/index.php (found via google.)
>
> I learned all my Audi stuff from audiworld.com.

That looked better.  Did look around.  Not too bad for the brief look I took.
Will see with further inspection.  BTW, my mechanic does look at these sites
if he has a problem.  He hasn't found anything about the problems he sees.

Bob
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[wa2egp]

-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Erie Patsellis <erie@...>
>
> That's odd, as the one of the first diagnostic steps taught by most of
> the mfrs. (GM, Ford, Chrysler, VAG (Audi, VW, Porsche) for sure as I've
> had all the factory training I care to have...)is to write down all
> codes and possible subcodes, if applicable and do a reset, then test
> drive to verify failure mode.

Well, the fuel injection during exhaust problem wasn't even caught by a dealer's mechanics or machines.  Took a mechanic with a 'scope. to find it.  I can read the codes and clear them but that doesn't solve the problem. :)

Bob
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[Peter Corlett]

On 13 May 2008, at 19:54, Robert Darlington wrote:

> On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 11:03 AM, Shannon Hendrix <shannon@...
> > wrote:
>> On May 8, 2008, at 11:45 , Robert Darlington wrote:
>>> One of the classic questions I put out for interviewees is "Do you
>>> work on your own car?"
>> Hopefully you are joking, since a lot of tinkerers don't work on  
>> their own
>> car.
> No, I'm not joking at all.  The answer tells me a lot about the  
> person.

I don't own a car, and TFL is unlikely to look kindly on me poking  
around the underside of a District Line train...
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[Sridhar Ayengar]

Phil Stracchino wrote:
>>>  Plus, when my car is under warranty, tinkering voids the warranty.
>>
>> The consumer protection act disagrees with you.
>
> The big problem these days is that you often need so much specialized
> knowledge to just "tinker with" many modern cars.  Depending on the
> brand, you may need information only available to factory-trained
> technicians, and expensive equipment available only to authorized
> service shops.

Much of that information is indeed available to the public.  I bought a
copy (on CD-ROM) of the shop manual for my car.  It had everything down
to test point voltages and proprietary OBD codes and settings.

Of course, I then had to pick up a OBD cable and software to hook my
laptop up to my car, but I can pretty much diagnose any problem,
including the electronic ones.

I am aware that some manufacturers don't make that kind of documentation
available, but many still do.

Peace...  Sridhar
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[Sridhar Ayengar]

Jonathan Katz wrote:
> The cost of entry isn't too bad. Just something like an ODB-II scanner that
> turns off your check-engine light is $60.
>
> If you have a VW or Audi (or Skoda or Seat) you can invest about $200 and

Or Lamborghini or Bentley...

> get a VAG-COM setup which lets you play with all kinds of things. I know a
> lot of folks here and on geeks were commenting about their Audis  at one
> point.

I have an Audi, and a VAG-COM.

> Also, for about $100 you can score the Bentley (publisher, not car) service
> manual on CD-ROM.

I have the Bentley manual for my Audi as well.

Peace...  Sridhar
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[Sridhar Ayengar]

Erie Patsellis wrote:
> No to mention all the ECU and wastegate hacking, notably on the 5000/200
> turbo quattros, simple mods that turn a family car into a screamer.

VW/Audi aren't the only ones that get hacked like that.  I've seen it on
M-B and Jag too.

Peace...  Sridhar
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