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Today's Topics:

   1. xsl:for-each-group? (Eric Scheid)
   2. Re: xsl:for-each-group? (Beverly Voth)
   3. Re: every developer's nightmare (Colm Osiris)
   4. Re: every developer's nightmare (Steve Cassidy)
   5. Re: every developer's nightmare (tim ballering)
   6. Re: every developer's nightmare (Stephen Wonfor)
   7. Re: xsl:for-each-group? (Eric Scheid)
   8. Re: every developer's nightmare (Bob Patin)
   9. RE: every developer's nightmare (Hank Shrier)


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:00:56 +1000
From: Eric Scheid <eric.scheid@...>
Subject: xsl:for-each-group?
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Has anyone used <xsl:for-each-group> and have some sample code to share?

e.

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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 07:22:49 -0400
From: Beverly Voth <bvoth@...>
Subject: Re: xsl:for-each-group?
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This is an XSLT 2.0 function and thus not 'native' to FMP.

Where are you using it, or trying to use it in relation to FMP?

If within somewhere else, tell us more? :D

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On Oct 4, 2008, at 3:00 AM, Eric Scheid <eric.scheid@...>  
wrote:

> Has anyone used <xsl:for-each-group> and have some sample code to  
> share?
>
> e.
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 13:25:57 +0100
From: Colm Osiris <subs@...>
Subject: Re: every developer's nightmare
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Thank you to Tim, Ibrahim and Dale.

Yes, it was the most recent version he was using, and no, it wasn't in  
the Trash.

He wasn?t using FMSA to back up his databases, but he will do now.

Still at a loss as to why this actually happened in the first place.  
Has anyone heard of it happening before? It?s completely a new one on  
me.

Colm

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 14:16:40 +0100
From: Steve Cassidy <scass@...>
Subject: Re: every developer's nightmare
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Colm

I think this warrants further investigation. I wouldn't say it is  
impossible that Filemaker somehow 'forgot' to write changes to disk.  
But this would be a very unusual occurrence -- perhaps one that has  
not arisen in Filemaker's history so far. It is much more likely  
that, in fact, there was a duplicate file or files involved in some way.

I would double and triple check that there are no other files. (It  
sounds as if this person keeps multiple copies of files -- for backup  
purposes -- elsewhere on disk; any automatic opening of a file by FMP  
based on a file reference or, say, Open Recent is suspect if there  
are other files within reach...)

Try doing a search of all available disks by modification date. I  
reckon you'll find a file hidden somewhere with a modification date  
matching the day the problem arose...

Of course, you could just put the error down to a one in a billion  
chance that FMP failed to write out the changes. But if it is in fact  
something else, it could turn around and bite your friend again...

Steve




On 4 Oct 2008, at 13:25, Colm Osiris wrote:

> Yes, it was the most recent version he was using, and no, it wasn't  
> in the Trash.
>
> He wasn?t using FMSA to back up his databases, but he will do now.
>
> Still at a loss as to why this actually happened in the first  
> place. Has anyone heard of it happening before? It?s completely a  
> new one on me.



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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 09:24:05 -0500
From: tim ballering <affordable@...>
Subject: Re: every developer's nightmare
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On Oct 4, 2008, at 7:25 AM, Colm Osiris wrote:

> He wasn?t using FMSA to back up his databases, but he will do now.

Are you saying that the file is hosted by FMS, but the back ups were  
done without using the FMS back up routine?

Tim Ballering
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 08:36:33 -0600
From: Stephen Wonfor <wonfuji@...>
Subject: Re: every developer's nightmare
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The only thing even remotely like this was a server that "forgot" to  
write at a client site.

eMac running 10.4.11 and Server 8.
no writes to disk for 12 days.
no backups written.
no nothing.
machine eventually went down.
upon restore there was no data in any file or backup that more current  
than 12 days ago.

Stephen
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On Oct 4, 2008, at 6:25 AM, Colm Osiris wrote:

> Thank you to Tim, Ibrahim and Dale.
>
> Yes, it was the most recent version he was using, and no, it wasn't  
> in the Trash.
>
> He wasn?t using FMSA to back up his databases, but he will do now.
>
> Still at a loss as to why this actually happened in the first place.  
> Has anyone heard of it happening before? It?s completely a new one  
> on me.
>
> Colm
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:00:57 +1000
From: Eric Scheid <genius@...>
Subject: Re: xsl:for-each-group?
To: fmpexperts <fmpexperts@...>
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On 4/10/08 9:22 PM, "Beverly Voth" <bvoth@...> wrote:

> This is an XSLT 2.0 function and thus not 'native' to FMP.

by not native, you mean not supported in it's XML/XSL export right?

> Where are you using it, or trying to use it in relation to FMP?
> If within somewhere else, tell us more? :D

Sadly, trying to use it to get some intelligent grouping happening in
XML+XSL exports.

Any advice on how to do it some other way? I've considered Muenchian
grouping, but I need to do sub-groups and the oracle of google warns off
on
that.

Given this data ...

    state   city        name
    -----------------------------
    nsw     sydney      eric
    nsw     sydney      john
    nsw     newtown     bill
    nsw     coffs       jane
    qld     brisbane    alex
    qld     brisbane    alec

I want to produce output like this:
   
    nsw:
        sydney:
            eric
            john
        newtown:
            bill
        coffs:
            jane
    qld:
        brisbane:
            alex
            alec

Any suggestions?

e.



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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 10:07:16 -0500
From: Bob Patin <bob@...>
Subject: Re: every developer's nightmare
To: fmpexperts@...
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I don't see how someone could add records to a database without their  
being written; one record, perhaps, but how would the subsequent  
records be added without the earlier ones being "forgotten?"

In 15 years I've never seen FileMaker fail to store anything that I've  
input; every time, it's been a result of user error.

The most common occurrence, and which I've seen clients do as recently  
as a week ago, is to open a 2nd copy, thinking that you're working on  
the server copy. Then when you go to the server copy, the data is just  
"not there."

I know I'm probably echoing other comments, but thought I'd throw in  
my 2 bits; I'd bet money that this isn't a case of FileMaker not  
properly storing inputted data.

Bob Patin
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On Oct 4, 2008, at 8:16 AM, Steve Cassidy wrote:

> Colm
>
> I think this warrants further investigation. I wouldn't say it is  
> impossible that Filemaker somehow 'forgot' to write changes to disk.  
> But this would be a very unusual occurrence -- perhaps one that has  
> not arisen in Filemaker's history so far. It is much more likely  
> that, in fact, there was a duplicate file or files involved in some  
> way.
>
> I would double and triple check that there are no other files. (It  
> sounds as if this person keeps multiple copies of files -- for  
> backup purposes -- elsewhere on disk; any automatic opening of a  
> file by FMP based on a file reference or, say, Open Recent is  
> suspect if there are other files within reach...)
>
> Try doing a search of all available disks by modification date. I  
> reckon you'll find a file hidden somewhere with a modification date  
> matching the day the problem arose...
>
> Of course, you could just put the error down to a one in a billion  
> chance that FMP failed to write out the changes. But if it is in  
> fact something else, it could turn around and bite your friend  
> again...
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> On 4 Oct 2008, at 13:25, Colm Osiris wrote:
>
>> Yes, it was the most recent version he was using, and no, it wasn't  
>> in the Trash.
>>
>> He wasn?t using FMSA to back up his databases, but he will do now.
>>
>> Still at a loss as to why this actually happened in the first  
>> place. Has anyone heard of it happening before? It?s completely a  
>> new one on me.
>
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2008 18:10:54 +0300
From: "Hank Shrier" <hank@...>
Subject: RE: every developer's nightmare
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Is it possible that the data was put in by mistake in the find mode.
This
is a gotcha that has bitten many of us.  Just a random thought as to how
you
can "enter" data that doesn't get written.

The idea that this can e done for 12 days is hard to believe.

HTH

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I don't see how someone could add records to a database without their  
being written; one record, perhaps, but how would the subsequent  
records be added without the earlier ones being "forgotten?"

In 15 years I've never seen FileMaker fail to store anything that I've  
input; every time, it's been a result of user error.

The most common occurrence, and which I've seen clients do as recently  
as a week ago, is to open a 2nd copy, thinking that you're working on  
the server copy. Then when you go to the server copy, the data is just  
"not there."

I know I'm probably echoing other comments, but thought I'd throw in  
my 2 bits; I'd bet money that this isn't a case of FileMaker not  
properly storing inputted data.

Bob Patin
Longterm Solutions
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On Oct 4, 2008, at 8:16 AM, Steve Cassidy wrote:

> Colm
>
> I think this warrants further investigation. I wouldn't say it is  
> impossible that Filemaker somehow 'forgot' to write changes to disk.  
> But this would be a very unusual occurrence -- perhaps one that has  
> not arisen in Filemaker's history so far. It is much more likely  
> that, in fact, there was a duplicate file or files involved in some  
> way.
>
> I would double and triple check that there are no other files. (It  
> sounds as if this person keeps multiple copies of files -- for  
> backup purposes -- elsewhere on disk; any automatic opening of a  
> file by FMP based on a file reference or, say, Open Recent is  
> suspect if there are other files within reach...)
>
> Try doing a search of all available disks by modification date. I  
> reckon you'll find a file hidden somewhere with a modification date  
> matching the day the problem arose...
>
> Of course, you could just put the error down to a one in a billion  
> chance that FMP failed to write out the changes. But if it is in  
> fact something else, it could turn around and bite your friend  
> again...
>
> Steve
>
>
>
>
> On 4 Oct 2008, at 13:25, Colm Osiris wrote:
>
>> Yes, it was the most recent version he was using, and no, it wasn't  
>> in the Trash.
>>
>> He wasn't using FMSA to back up his databases, but he will do now.
>>
>> Still at a loss as to why this actually happened in the first  
>> place. Has anyone heard of it happening before? It's completely a  
>> new one on me.
>
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