Re: Drafting Splash Screen in progress

[Santiago Franco]

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Hi Ivan, attached I send you one splash screen I am working at. Although I send it in png format but only double layered, every element in the original is layered so I can chose more presence or less of every layer and element,including suppressing whatever is necessary. This is just done more or less by eye, meaning I have done some of the basic work but a lot missing correct proportions, progress bar animation (how long it lasts, minimum, BTW) and is there any number of steps for the progress required or preferred?

 

I used the M2 font since it the M fonts I downloaded where the ones I used with photo shop., Does the sun text go there when there is no sun logo version, number of the product followed the samples, but as I say all is layered,even some combined layers (seagulls) I also have aside in layer, flat color etc.I also read something about the wire frame and waves son I suggested something ...in there.

 

I also have a seagull animation but used to much memory even in logo size, and Other slightly different seagull I like more but after reading the dialogs about the registered property etc...well just left is so...Since this is the first I draft I do for the common could you give me some feedback the most specific the better, I can also send you the layered documents, if you want to play with them, and return suggestions. Anyway, I know I have to follow some fonts, color rules, and so forth but I can do that later if you think is worth continuing  working with this one or some layers of it..or  I am going in the wrong direction? (it has quite many elements, and maybe the wire is is not clear or necessary...Feedback please? And if there are some musts and no-nos I did please feel free to indicate so, since I am still quite green, here, and I have many fish to fry i.e. I haven´t had the time to read all requirements....Anyway see it and I don't know at this stage of drafting what I am supposed to do, hence I send it you for feedback and instructions, before I go into animation and so...

Best regards

Santiago

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Ivan M]

Hi Santiago,

From http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html:
Please do not send attachments with your message, as they add to the
bandwidth burden we must all deal with. OpenOffice.org features
several other avenues for persons interested in submitting
attachments. Check with your project lead or send a message to
webmasters@... to find out which would be best for you.

Next time, please add your design to the wiki page
(http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Splash_Screen/Proposals
... you will need to register first) and include a link in you email
instead of attaching the image (if you're not familiar with this kind
of procedure, please let me know)

That said, here are my thoughts:

These look much better and more lively than the ones that are
currently being used! (Although I do like the rounded bottom edges
Paul introduced). The two color approach with the gulls is also
interesting. I don't like the dark colors and the globe motif is a
cliche - it has been overused too many times in too many
applications/websites. IMO, we should stick to design elements that
are unique to OpenOffice.org. The other impression this made on me was
that it looked very Mac-ish with the horizontal lines. Overall, I
would have to say that I don't like it, but let's see what others say.

Don't start animating anything just yet - the splash screen will
probably be static. However, maybe something could be done for the
OpenOffice.org 3 CDs - maybe an autorun with a little animation?...
just an idea...

- Ivan.


On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Santiago Franco <fransa2@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Ivan, attached I send you one splash screen I am working at. Although I
> send it in png format but only double layered, every element in the original
> is layered so I can chose more presence or less of every layer and
> element,including suppressing whatever is necessary. This is just done more
> or less by eye, meaning I have done some of the basic work but a lot missing
> correct proportions, progress bar animation (how long it lasts, minimum,
> BTW) and is there any number of steps for the progress required or
> preferred?
>
> I used the M2 font since it the M fonts I downloaded where the ones I used
> with photo shop., Does the sun text go there when there is no sun logo
> version, number of the product followed the samples, but as I say all is
> layered,even some combined layers (seagulls) I also have aside in layer,
> flat color etc.I also read something about the wire frame and waves son I
> suggested something ...in there.
>
> I also have a seagull animation but used to much memory even in logo size,
> and Other slightly different seagull I like more but after reading the
> dialogs about the registered property etc...well just left is so...Since
> this is the first I draft I do for the common could you give me some
> feedback the most specific the better, I can also send you the layered
> documents, if you want to play with them, and return suggestions. Anyway, I
> know I have to follow some fonts, color rules, and so forth but I can do
> that later if you think is worth continuing  working with this one or some
> layers of it..or  I am going in the wrong direction? (it has quite many
> elements, and maybe the wire is is not clear or necessary...Feedback please?
> And if there are some musts and no-nos I did please feel free to indicate
> so, since I am still quite green, here, and I have many fish to fry i.e. I
> haven´t had the time to read all requirements....Anyway see it and I don't
> know at this stage of drafting what I am supposed to do, hence I send it you
> for feedback and instructions, before I go into animation and so...
> Best regards
> Santiago
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Santiago Franco Rubio
> Taitoniekantie 10, A11
> 40740 Jyväskylä
> Suomi - Finland
> GSM: (+358) (0)50 9329081
> Skype: santyako
> Messenger: santyako@...
> email: fransa2@...
> http://www.aquarius.net/expert/17629/Santiago_Franco
> http://www.translatorscafe.com/cafe/member75220.htm
> Downloads: http://fransa2.spaces.live.com/
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[Santiago Franco]

Hello Ivan, sorry for d-lay. Thanks for the input. Well, I do not know how to post them. Although I registered and have access to some pages, possibly my own, once in my pages, and inside, when I try to do certain operations, it asks me for an ID and password, I introduce them, and then it does not approve them, so I don't know what is wrong.
 
About the Screen, I had more or less some of the same feelings, doubts about the map, and much moree about the bottom wire frame  too - being first one and feedback wanted to see several treactions to different element to see maybe a general ile to follow... therefore I was trying more things, but some myself had also had very much doubts. Do you mean the dark colors of the fonts? or in general. I do not use a MAC,
and although I have used some else’s on several occasions I am not aware of what might be considered a Mac: ish look (maybe you could elaborate if you have time).Anyway, I can post something, this or other versions considering your comments and mt doubts when I know how to, and I understand why, despite having registered and followed the steps required, it still is denying me access to some things and recognition?
Best regards and thank you for feed back and info. I you or anyone can maybe indicate to me what might be the ID password trouble plus how to post, I will be very grateful.
Santiago
 
Santiago Franco Rubio
Taitoniekantie 10, A11
40740 Jyväskylä
Suomi - Finland
GSM: (+358) (0)50 9329081
Skype: santyako
Messenger: santyako@...
email: fransa2@...
http://www.aquarius.net/expert/17629/Santiago_Franco
http://www.translatorscafe.com/cafe/member75220.htm
Downloads: http://fransa2.spaces.live.com/
 



----- Original Message ----
From: Ivan M <i2initiatives@...>
To: art@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2008 5:43:00 AM
Subject: Re: [art] Re: Drafting Splash Screen in progress

Hi Santiago,

From http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html:
Please do not send attachments with your message, as they add to the
bandwidth burden we must all deal with. OpenOffice.org features
several other avenues for persons interested in submitting
attachments. Check with your project lead or send a message to
webmasters@... to find out which would be best for you.

Next time, please add your design to the wiki page
(http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Splash_Screen/Proposals
... you will need to register first) and include a link in you email
instead of attaching the image (if you're not familiar with this kind
of procedure, please let me know)

That said, here are my thoughts:

These look much better and more lively than the ones that are
currently being used! (Although I do like the rounded bottom edges
Paul introduced). The two color approach with the gulls is also
interesting. I don't like the dark colors and the globe motif is a
cliche - it has been overused too many times in too many
applications/websites. IMO, we should stick to design elements that
are unique to OpenOffice.org. The other impression this made on me was
that it looked very Mac-ish with the horizontal lines. Overall, I
would have to say that I don't like it, but let's see what others say.

Don't start animating anything just yet - the splash screen will
probably be static. However, maybe something could be done for the
OpenOffice.org 3 CDs - maybe an autorun with a little animation?...
just an idea...

- Ivan.


On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Santiago Franco <fransa2@...> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Ivan, attached I send you one splash screen I am working at. Although I
> send it in png format but only double layered, every element in the original
> is layered so I can chose more presence or less of every layer and
> element,including suppressing whatever is necessary. This is just done more
> or less by eye, meaning I have done some of the basic work but a lot missing
> correct proportions, progress bar animation (how long it lasts, minimum,
> BTW) and is there any number of steps for the progress required or
> preferred?
>
> I used the M2 font since it the M fonts I downloaded where the ones I used
> with photo shop., Does the sun text go there when there is no sun logo
> version, number of the product followed the samples, but as I say all is
> layered,even some combined layers (seagulls) I also have aside in layer,
> flat color etc.I also read something about the wire frame and waves son I
> suggested something ...in there.
>
> I also have a seagull animation but used to much memory even in logo size,
> and Other slightly different seagull I like more but after reading the
> dialogs about the registered property etc...well just left is so...Since
> this is the first I draft I do for the common could you give me some
> feedback the most specific the better, I can also send you the layered
> documents, if you want to play with them, and return suggestions. Anyway, I
> know I have to follow some fonts, color rules, and so forth but I can do
> that later if you think is worth continuing  working with this one or some
> layers of it..or  I am going in the wrong direction? (it has quite many
> elements, and maybe the wire is is not clear or necessary...Feedback please?
> And if there are some musts and no-nos I did please feel free to indicate
> so, since I am still quite green, here, and I have many fish to fry i.e. I
> haven´t had the time to read all requirements....Anyway see it and I don't
> know at this stage of drafting what I am supposed to do, hence I send it you
> for feedback and instructions, before I go into animation and so...
> Best regards
> Santiago
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Santiago Franco Rubio
> Taitoniekantie 10, A11
> 40740 Jyväskylä
> Suomi - Finland
> GSM: (+358) (0)50 9329081
> Skype: santyako
> Messenger: santyako@...
> email: fransa2@...
> http://www.aquarius.net/expert/17629/Santiago_Franco
> http://www.translatorscafe.com/cafe/member75220.htm
> Downloads: http://fransa2.spaces.live.com/
>
>
>
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[Ivan M]

Hi Santiago.

Here is a brief guide to uploading images on the wiki:

First, you will need to create an account
(http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin).

Once you have an account and are logged in, in the left hand side menu
of the wiki (accessible from any page in the wiki), under Toolbox,
click 'Upload File'
(http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:Upload) and upload
your file.
Then, copy the URL of the page containing your image (you should be
taken to that page once the upload is complete), and paste it into an
email. That way, anyone who wants to can access the image.

Please ignore my comments about the design looking Mac-ish, when I
wrote the email, I was using a computer with a display that made it
seem as if it had a horizontal line pattern.

- Ivan.

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Santiago Franco <fransa2@...> wrote:

> Hello Ivan, sorry for d-lay. Thanks for the input. Well, I do not know how to post them. Although I registered and have access to some pages, possibly my own, once in my pages, and inside, when I try to do certain operations, it asks me for an ID and password, I introduce them, and then it does not approve them, so I don't know what is wrong.
>
>  About the Screen, I had more or less some of the same feelings, doubts about the map, and much moree about the bottom wire frame  too - being first one and feedback wanted to see several treactions to different element to see maybe a general ile to follow... therefore I was trying more things, but some myself had also had very much doubts. Do you mean the dark colors of the fonts? or in general. I do not use a MAC,
>  and although I have used some else's on several occasions I am not aware of what might be considered a Mac: ish look (maybe you could elaborate if you have time).Anyway, I can post something, this or other versions considering your comments and mt doubts when I know how to, and I understand why, despite having registered and followed the steps required, it still is denying me access to some things and recognition?
>  Best regards and thank you for feed back and info. I you or anyone can maybe indicate to me what might be the ID password trouble plus how to post, I will be very grateful.
>
> Santiago
>
>  Santiago Franco Rubio
>  Taitoniekantie 10, A11
>  40740 Jyväskylä
>  Suomi - Finland
>  GSM: (+358) (0)50 9329081
>  Skype: santyako
>  Messenger: santyako@...
>  email: fransa2@...
>  http://www.aquarius.net/expert/17629/Santiago_Franco
>  http://www.translatorscafe.com/cafe/member75220.htm
>  Downloads: http://fransa2.spaces.live.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>  From: Ivan M <i2initiatives@...>
>  To: art@...
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2008 5:43:00 AM
>  Subject: Re: [art] Re: Drafting Splash Screen in progress
>
>  Hi Santiago,
>
>  From http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html:
>  Please do not send attachments with your message, as they add to the
>  bandwidth burden we must all deal with. OpenOffice.org features
>  several other avenues for persons interested in submitting
>  attachments. Check with your project lead or send a message to
>  webmasters@... to find out which would be best for you.
>
>  Next time, please add your design to the wiki page
>  (http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Splash_Screen/Proposals
>  ... you will need to register first) and include a link in you email
>  instead of attaching the image (if you're not familiar with this kind
>  of procedure, please let me know)
>
>  That said, here are my thoughts:
>
>  These look much better and more lively than the ones that are
>  currently being used! (Although I do like the rounded bottom edges
>  Paul introduced). The two color approach with the gulls is also
>  interesting. I don't like the dark colors and the globe motif is a
>  cliche - it has been overused too many times in too many
>  applications/websites. IMO, we should stick to design elements that
>  are unique to OpenOffice.org. The other impression this made on me was
>  that it looked very Mac-ish with the horizontal lines. Overall, I
>  would have to say that I don't like it, but let's see what others say.
>
>  Don't start animating anything just yet - the splash screen will
>  probably be static. However, maybe something could be done for the
>  OpenOffice.org 3 CDs - maybe an autorun with a little animation?...
>  just an idea...
>
>  - Ivan.
>
>
>  On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Santiago Franco <fransa2@...> wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > Hi Ivan, attached I send you one splash screen I am working at. Although I
>  > send it in png format but only double layered, every element in the original
>  > is layered so I can chose more presence or less of every layer and
>  > element,including suppressing whatever is necessary. This is just done more
>  > or less by eye, meaning I have done some of the basic work but a lot missing
>  > correct proportions, progress bar animation (how long it lasts, minimum,
>  > BTW) and is there any number of steps for the progress required or
>  > preferred?
>  >
>  > I used the M2 font since it the M fonts I downloaded where the ones I used
>  > with photo shop., Does the sun text go there when there is no sun logo
>  > version, number of the product followed the samples, but as I say all is
>  > layered,even some combined layers (seagulls) I also have aside in layer,
>  > flat color etc.I also read something about the wire frame and waves son I
>  > suggested something ...in there.
>  >
>  > I also have a seagull animation but used to much memory even in logo size,
>  > and Other slightly different seagull I like more but after reading the
>  > dialogs about the registered property etc...well just left is so...Since
>  > this is the first I draft I do for the common could you give me some
>  > feedback the most specific the better, I can also send you the layered
>  > documents, if you want to play with them, and return suggestions. Anyway, I
>  > know I have to follow some fonts, color rules, and so forth but I can do
>  > that later if you think is worth continuing  working with this one or some
>  > layers of it..or  I am going in the wrong direction? (it has quite many
>  > elements, and maybe the wire is is not clear or necessary...Feedback please?
>  > And if there are some musts and no-nos I did please feel free to indicate
>  > so, since I am still quite green, here, and I have many fish to fry i.e. I
>  > haven´t had the time to read all requirements....Anyway see it and I don't
>  > know at this stage of drafting what I am supposed to do, hence I send it you
>  > for feedback and instructions, before I go into animation and so...
>  > Best regards
>  > Santiago
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  > Santiago Franco Rubio
>  > Taitoniekantie 10, A11
>  > 40740 Jyväskylä
>  > Suomi - Finland
>  > GSM: (+358) (0)50 9329081
>  > Skype: santyako
>  > Messenger: santyako@...
>  > email: fransa2@...
>  > http://www.aquarius.net/expert/17629/Santiago_Franco
>  > http://www.translatorscafe.com/cafe/member75220.htm
>  > Downloads: http://fransa2.spaces.live.com/
>  >
>  >
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[Santiago Franco]

Hi Ivan, thanks, I had already registered and so when I tried again I received email that this account existed already, to press a link to confirm...so I did and it works. Last time if I remember well when I pressed the same message with a similar link, it took me to an error page so maybe that was why I had the problem...
 
Also found out now who are the leads of the art project, I still do not know if the splash screen or whatever sub project has more heads....anyway, I do appreciate very much your help, specially since apparently you are not one of the art projects heads...I do not really know how did we get in touch in first place, but I guess it was as useful as if I had contacted the correct heads. I will do as you indicated. Sorry for the extra work, I am learning...thank you very much for you help in any case and from now on I will contact my heads, so I will not have to bug you any more.
Santiago
 
Santiago Franco Rubio
Taitoniekantie 10, A11
40740 Jyväskylä
Suomi - Finland
GSM: (+358) (0)50 9329081
Skype: santyako
Messenger: santyako@...
email: fransa2@...
http://www.aquarius.net/expert/17629/Santiago_Franco
http://www.translatorscafe.com/cafe/member75220.htm
Downloads: http://fransa2.spaces.live.com/
 



----- Original Message ----
From: Ivan M <i2initiatives@...>
To: art@...
Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2008 11:09:30 AM
Subject: Re: [art] Re: Drafting Splash Screen in progress

Hi Santiago.

Here is a brief guide to uploading images on the wiki:

First, you will need to create an account
(http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Userlogin).

Once you have an account and are logged in, in the left hand side menu
of the wiki (accessible from any page in the wiki), under Toolbox,
click 'Upload File'
(http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Special:Upload) and upload
your file.
Then, copy the URL of the page containing your image (you should be
taken to that page once the upload is complete), and paste it into an
email. That way, anyone who wants to can access the image.

Please ignore my comments about the design looking Mac-ish, when I
wrote the email, I was using a computer with a display that made it
seem as if it had a horizontal line pattern.

- Ivan.

On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 5:46 PM, Santiago Franco <fransa2@...> wrote:

> Hello Ivan, sorry for d-lay. Thanks for the input. Well, I do not know how to post them. Although I registered and have access to some pages, possibly my own, once in my pages, and inside, when I try to do certain operations, it asks me for an ID and password, I introduce them, and then it does not approve them, so I don't know what is wrong.
>
>  About the Screen, I had more or less some of the same feelings, doubts about the map, and much moree about the bottom wire frame  too - being first one and feedback wanted to see several treactions to different element to see maybe a general ile to follow... therefore I was trying more things, but some myself had also had very much doubts. Do you mean the dark colors of the fonts? or in general. I do not use a MAC,
>  and although I have used some else's on several occasions I am not aware of what might be considered a Mac: ish look (maybe you could elaborate if you have time).Anyway, I can post something, this or other versions considering your comments and mt doubts when I know how to, and I understand why, despite having registered and followed the steps required, it still is denying me access to some things and recognition?
>  Best regards and thank you for feed back and info. I you or anyone can maybe indicate to me what might be the ID password trouble plus how to post, I will be very grateful.
>
> Santiago
>
>  Santiago Franco Rubio
>  Taitoniekantie 10, A11
>  40740 Jyväskylä
>  Suomi - Finland
>  GSM: (+358) (0)50 9329081
>  Skype: santyako
>  Messenger: santyako@...
>  email: fransa2@...
>  http://www.aquarius.net/expert/17629/Santiago_Franco
>  http://www.translatorscafe.com/cafe/member75220.htm
>  Downloads: http://fransa2.spaces.live.com/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
>  From: Ivan M <i2initiatives@...>
>  To: art@...
>  Sent: Tuesday, May 6, 2008 5:43:00 AM
>  Subject: Re: [art] Re: Drafting Splash Screen in progress
>
>  Hi Santiago,
>
>  From http://www.openoffice.org/mail_list.html:
>  Please do not send attachments with your message, as they add to the
>  bandwidth burden we must all deal with. OpenOffice.org features
>  several other avenues for persons interested in submitting
>  attachments. Check with your project lead or send a message to
>  webmasters@... to find out which would be best for you.
>
>  Next time, please add your design to the wiki page
>  (http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Art/Splash_Screen/Proposals
>  ... you will need to register first) and include a link in you email
>  instead of attaching the image (if you're not familiar with this kind
>  of procedure, please let me know)
>
>  That said, here are my thoughts:
>
>  These look much better and more lively than the ones that are
>  currently being used! (Although I do like the rounded bottom edges
>  Paul introduced). The two color approach with the gulls is also
>  interesting. I don't like the dark colors and the globe motif is a
>  cliche - it has been overused too many times in too many
>  applications/websites. IMO, we should stick to design elements that
>  are unique to OpenOffice.org. The other impression this made on me was
>  that it looked very Mac-ish with the horizontal lines. Overall, I
>  would have to say that I don't like it, but let's see what others say.
>
>  Don't start animating anything just yet - the splash screen will
>  probably be static. However, maybe something could be done for the
>  OpenOffice.org 3 CDs - maybe an autorun with a little animation?...
>  just an idea...
>
>  - Ivan.
>
>
>  On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 1:41 AM, Santiago Franco <fransa2@...> wrote:
>  >
>  >
>  > Hi Ivan, attached I send you one splash screen I am working at. Although I
>  > send it in png format but only double layered, every element in the original
>  > is layered so I can chose more presence or less of every layer and
>  > element,including suppressing whatever is necessary. This is just done more
>  > or less by eye, meaning I have done some of the basic work but a lot missing
>  > correct proportions, progress bar animation (how long it lasts, minimum,
>  > BTW) and is there any number of steps for the progress required or
>  > preferred?
>  >
>  > I used the M2 font since it the M fonts I downloaded where the ones I used
>  > with photo shop., Does the sun text go there when there is no sun logo
>  > version, number of the product followed the samples, but as I say all is
>  > layered,even some combined layers (seagulls) I also have aside in layer,
>  > flat color etc.I also read something about the wire frame and waves son I
>  > suggested something ...in there.
>  >
>  > I also have a seagull animation but used to much memory even in logo size,
>  > and Other slightly different seagull I like more but after reading the
>  > dialogs about the registered property etc...well just left is so...Since
>  > this is the first I draft I do for the common could you give me some
>  > feedback the most specific the better, I can also send you the layered
>  > documents, if you want to play with them, and return suggestions. Anyway, I
>  > know I have to follow some fonts, color rules, and so forth but I can do
>  > that later if you think is worth continuing  working with this one or some
>  > layers of it..or  I am going in the wrong direction? (it has quite many
>  > elements, and maybe the wire is is not clear or necessary...Feedback please?
>  > And if there are some musts and no-nos I did please feel free to indicate
>  > so, since I am still quite green, here, and I have many fish to fry i.e. I
>  > haven´t had the time to read all requirements....Anyway see it and I don't
>  > know at this stage of drafting what I am supposed to do, hence I send it you
>  > for feedback and instructions, before I go into animation and so...
>  > Best regards
>  > Santiago
>  >
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